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01-07. Department of Veterans Affairs Definition, The Short Version. The VA Home Page on the Internet says:

In order to establish service connection for PTSD, the evidence must establish that during active duty a veteran was subjected to a stressor or stressors that would cause characteristic symptoms in almost anyone. Evidence of combat or having been a prisoner of war may be accepted as conclusive evidence of a stressor incurred during active duty. Evidence of combat includes receipt of the Purple Heart, the CIB, or other similar citation. The medical evidence must establish a clear diagnosis of PTSD and must link the current symptoms to the claimed stressor. (www.va.gov/benefits/ptsdwhat.htm)
 
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Just curious...what does the VA define as combat? Inviting them to play tiddly-winks?

Dave_M gave you a good answer. That topic is well covered on the PTSD board, here is a link. Be sure to read the forum rules.
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/4230026980001
If you wish to read more on combat PTSD and non combat PTSD here is a link to my website My site
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Man shoots you, you return fire, combat last time I checked.



WRONG! (Loud irritating buzzer sounds). My so-called VSO and I thought the same thing when he "helped" me put in for PTSD, but the VA quickly straighened my arse out on THAT misconception!



Just curious...what does the VA define as combat? Inviting them to play tiddly-winks?

Perhaps Ms. Twinkie who could not make it in the "real medical field" will understand when the AlKada shows up on her porch, does not meet the rules of war or Geneva Convention Rules and totally changes her way of existance for life. We, as combat vets experienced "near death experiences" daily. In NYC at the 9-11 site, those people experienced ONE day of events and have been diagnosed with PTSD. But then again, liberals do that when its convenient for them. As we vets still try to adjust to our daily lives, these overpaid, underworked VA clerks dont have a clue! They dont realize that without US (the vets) they would be flipping burgers at the local fast food places.

How do we change these things? We can sit here and type our fustrations, but we are preaching to the choir. Again, any suggestions on how to change it?
 
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The PTSD topic is well covered on the PTSD board, here is a link. Be sure to read the forum rules.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/4230026980001
 
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News release:
AGENT ORANGE COMPENSATION PACKAGE: Speculation is rampant as to when Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government will announce a compensation package for victims of Agent Orange and other herbicides at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown. Sources told The Daily Gleaner plans were afoot for an announcement late next week, but that has now changed. Any compensation announcement is widely expected to be an ex gratia payment in the range of $20,000 to $24,000. Ex gratia means the funds are being paid voluntarily and the government accepts no liability. The uncertainty as to when such an announcement may be made follows the release 21 AUG of the latest health report. The document states cancer rates in the area in and around the base are no higher than in other parts of the province. The study prepared for Base Gagetown Fact-Finders Project did determine, however, that those involved in the preparation and distribution of the herbicide mix were at greater risk of developing a variety of health problems, including cancer. Agent Orange was tested at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown for four days in 1966 and for three days in 1967. The base also used commercially available chemicals known as 2-4-5-T and 2-4-D on its ranges to keep forest growth down. Using the province's cancer registry, the recent report examined mortality rates in the Gagetown area dating from the 1980s to 2003. While rates of soft-tissue sarcoma and non-Hodgkin lymphoma differed little when compared to the rest of the province, cancers of the breast, bone, larynx and brain were slightly more prevalent. Dr. Judith Guernsey, the author of the report, said there was no consensus within the scientific community that herbicides were responsible for the development of those types of cancer. The report is the last in a series that downplays health risks for people living near and working on the base. The final report from the fact-finders project is expected to be on the desk of Defense Minister Peter McKay in early SEP. [Source: Daily Gleaner Michael Staples article 23 Aug 07 ++]
 
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HOW SOON THEY FORGET...HOW LITTLE THEY CARE Frown
 
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The base also used commercially available chemicals known as 2-4-5-T and 2-4-D on its ranges to keep forest growth down.

Please remember this is not the same mix as Agent Orange, it has less toxic effect as 2,3,7,8-TCDD. The cooking process as I call it of 2-4-5-T and 2-4-D created 2,3,7,8-TCDD. I cover this process in my AO book "In Search of the Truth..."
 
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I like the bumber sticker I seen
"I was a Vietnam Veteran before it was popular to be a Vietnam Veteran"

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Hey, I love that one! Like the country song, "I was country when country was not cool". Texas has a license plate with "Vietnam Veteran" on it for free, I have them on my car, but RARELY have I ever seen others, guess it ain't cool yet.
 
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Military retirees to get state tax break
Strickland to sign legislation exempting retirement pay from state income tax.
By William Hershey

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Thursday, December 13, 2007





COLUMBUS — Relief from the state income tax is on the way for approximately 38,640 military retirees in Ohio.
Gov. Ted Strickland plans to sign legislation passed unanimously Wednesday by the Ohio House and Senate exempting military retirement pay from the state income tax, Keith Dailey, Strickland's spokesman, said.

"He's been supportive of that effort, but he will need to find a way to pay for it," Dailey said.
The legislation was part of a flurry of bills passed as the legislature finished for the year. Lawmakers are to return in early January.
The tax break for veterans is expected to result in a revenue loss of $12 million to $22 million in the second year of the current state budget, which starts July 1, according to a Legislative Service Commission analysis.
House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Kettering, championed the legislation to honor veterans and make the state more attractive to military retirees with skills needed to boost the economy. He has said 35 other states provide military retirees with relief from state income taxes.
The legislation had strong Dayton Area Chamber of Commerce support.
"Military retirees have a choice — we want them to choose Ohio," said Dan Bigelow, chairman of the chamber's Military and Federal Government Affairs Committee.
The House passed its version of the bill last month. The Senate acted Wednesday. The House then agreed with the amended Senate version before sending it to Strickland.
Sen. Steve Austria, R-Beavercreek, said the bill is especially important for the Dayton area because it could help military personnel at Wright Patterson Air Force Base decide to stay in Ohio when they retire. Chris Kershner, vice president for public policy and economic development at the Dayton chamber, has said an estimated 26,000 retired military live within an hour's drive of the base.
The bill includes other benefits for veterans, active-duty military and members of the National Guard and reservists.
 
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Recently, I was looking at the GI KIAs in the Vietnam War and was surprised about what units had the most KIAs. I always, for some reason, thought it was the Marines, but no, it was the Army, 1st CAV, then followed closely by the 25th ID. I was with the 25th ID (Infantry Division), 1968. Also, I always thought that KIAs in 1968 were far and way above any other year of the war.... but no.... 1968 did have the highest number of KIAs, but 1967 and 1969 were close to the same numbers, just slightly lower. The estimated number of enemy killed in the entire war was 1.1 million.

Just my thoughts.
 
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Military retirees to get state tax break
Strickland to sign legislation exempting retirement pay from state income tax.
By William Hershey

Staff Writer

Thursday, December 13, 2007





COLUMBUS — Relief from the state income tax is on the way for approximately 38,640 military retirees in Ohio.
Gov. Ted Strickland plans to sign legislation passed unanimously Wednesday by the Ohio House and Senate exempting military retirement pay from the state income tax, Keith Dailey, Strickland's spokesman, said.

"He's been supportive of that effort, but he will need to find a way to pay for it," Dailey said.
The legislation was part of a flurry of bills passed as the legislature finished for the year. Lawmakers are to return in early January.
The tax break for veterans is expected to result in a revenue loss of $12 million to $22 million in the second year of the current state budget, which starts July 1, according to a Legislative Service Commission analysis.
House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Kettering, championed the legislation to honor veterans and make the state more attractive to military retirees with skills needed to boost the economy. He has said 35 other states provide military retirees with relief from state income taxes.
The legislation had strong Dayton Area Chamber of Commerce support.
"Military retirees have a choice — we want them to choose Ohio," said Dan Bigelow, chairman of the chamber's Military and Federal Government Affairs Committee.
The House passed its version of the bill last month. The Senate acted Wednesday. The House then agreed with the amended Senate version before sending it to Strickland.
Sen. Steve Austria, R-Beavercreek, said the bill is especially important for the Dayton area because it could help military personnel at Wright Patterson Air Force Base decide to stay in Ohio when they retire. Chris Kershner, vice president for public policy and economic development at the Dayton chamber, has said an estimated 26,000 retired military live within an hour's drive of the base.
The bill includes other benefits for veterans, active-duty military and members of the National Guard and reservists.


In the state of Illinois, military retirees have not had to pay state tax on their military retirement for years.........
 
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Recently, I was looking at the GI KIAs in the Vietnam War and was surprised about what units had the most KIAs. I always, for some reason, thought it was the Marines, but no, it was the Army, 1st CAV, then followed closely by the 25th ID. I was with the 25th ID (Infantry Division), 1968. Also, I always thought that KIAs in 1968 were far and way above any other year of the war.... but no.... 1968 did have the highest number of KIAs, but 1967 and 1969 were close to the same numbers, just slightly lower. The estimated number of enemy killed in the entire war was 1.1 million.

Just my thoughts.

One thing great about Gen J P Stone, CO of the 4th ID, when an operation started he saturated the LZ and OP areas with absolutely everything for days before troops went in. High kill rate, low casualty rate. Things changed though when he left.
 
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More stats regarding casualties from VietNam in many categories.
http://www.archives.gov/research/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html#race
Marines made up over 25% of the KIA, while only making up less than 15% of the people in that AO .....

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As far as who bore the heavy lifting in VietNam ... read this:

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=8...&messageID=800519573
 
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More Info on Stats:
Percentage wise the Marines lost the most:

http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwc18.htm
 
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More Info on Stats:
Percentage wise the Marines lost the most:

http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwc18.htm


NOPE... read it closer. Plus percentages don't count as far as number of KIAs. But, thats neither here or there. The point is the 1st CAV suffered the highest number of KIAs followed closely by the 25ID. Thats the facts.... I put many of those into body bags, 1968.
 
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I was talking percentages, RVN, not numbers. Marines made up 14% of the Military men in Country, and were 25.5 % of all Fatalities.... Don't want to debate who had it worse. Let's face it. the Army and Marine Corps had 91% of the KIA's ....that says it all !
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All those who went to Vietnam paid the price. Paid it then and are paying it now.
 
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