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Hi Nancy -- if you've read alot about Agent Orange than I'm sure you already know...
Agent Orange exposure, especially over long periods of exposure, has the ability to change basic cellular structure at a molecular and DNA level. These changes can cause or contribute to congenital birth defects, and even predisposition to certain health problems in the offspring of exposed people... I grew up with many people who have Muscular Dystrophe, cleft lip / palet, cerebral palsy, autism... autoimmune dysfunction the list goes on... just because the VA hasn't qualified something yet as being genetic problem of Agent Orange, doesn't mean it won't be.... Best Regards |
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I don't have anything to really contribute to this post but I just wanted to wish good luck to everyone of you. Hopefully everything works out for the best with you all.
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I am desperately seeking information about the connection between Agent Orange and the effects on the Vet's children. My brother and sister both have undiagnosed autoimmune disorders and I would like any and all information pertaining to this. There are so many sites on the internet that I need some guidance filtering them all. Please e-mail me at iluvdinky@insightbb.com
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Please go to my website. There are several articles and my book on Agent Orange. In my book "In Search of the Truth" you will find discussion regarding effects of Agent Orange on exposed veterans, as well as three chapters on BIRTH DEFECTS.
http://www.geocities.com/dave_barker_amvet/index.html Dave Barker |
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MY HUSBAND WAS IN VIETNAM AND WAS EXSPOSED TO AGENT ORANGE. OUR DAUGHTER IS ALSO HAVING ALOT OF FEMALE PROBLEMS AND I THINK IT IS RELATED TO AGENT ORANGE, NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS.
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Oh do I agree with you! Yes, I do! I have several chapters in my book on birth defects. Please read "In Search of the Truth" as well as the other articles on AO on my website.
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Could u let me know if you found out anymore info on the heriditary effects on the children of the Vets exposed to agent orange. I have a uncle in the hospital now on life support who was recently diagnosed as a agent orange victim. They have told my dad to go to Florida to get checked and we need to go to being we were born after the exposure. I am new to Agent Orange Info, but am terrified for my daughter and my sisters kids. Mostly because there has been odd medical issues that no one could explain to us that has occured with the kids and no one could explain and now I wonder is it related. My email is tpichea@gmail.com could you please tell me a little of what u know?
Tonya
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The VA sends me nothing. I get my information by searching for it. I studied these issues over a 30 year period. It started in college and has yet to end. I also review thousands of different veterans records in my position as a veterans service officer. |
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I served in several defoliated jungle locations of the III Corps area of South Vietnam(69-70). Before I went I fathered two healthy children. ( My son was born one month before I went to Nam) My wife and I came from large families, and our wish was to have more children when I came back home. In '71 at Ft. Gordon, my wife miscarried at 4 months due to a grossly deformed embryo, and also had to have surgery. After I seperated from service, my wife carried for almost six months and lost another.(Stillbirth,grossly deformed embryo, '72) She suffered great physical pain with these pregnancies and lost the ability to ever have children again. This was devastating to us, more so to her than me. I told her we were lucky to have two healthy children, but she really never got over the losses. Her personality changed and she started to blame me for bringing back something from Nam that caused the situation, even tho we knew nothing about agent orange in '72. This was only the beginning..... of my voyage thru a hell of sorrow, tears, heartbreak, illness, pain, suffering and guilt that continues to this day.... because of the effects of agent orange and PTSD.
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I have a son whose first child was born within 2 years of his strong exposure to 2-butoxyethanol (For sure - no doubt about it ... he worked as a bioremediation worker of the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup). Then he had children 6 & 8 years later. I asked Dr. Rea about effects of exposure to this poison ... would a child born earlier or later have the most possible harm? He (or somone in his clinic) shared that the child born first would. I do believe that this is a common chemical exposure for many both in and out of the military. I think it is the primary harm to the Vietam Vet, and just because AO is the buzz word for the harm they had ... it was the other chemical in the mix... I think if you avoid this chemical (you can still be easily exposed today) ... & were to take glyconutrient food supplements ... you would be helped I also think that if a chemical exposure caused harm ... adding medications to the mix adds more harm. Look for this assortment of ailments ... the CFIDS assortment to suspect 2-butoxyethanol Please take a look at what I think the presumptive lists need to be for all military: To include the harm that 2-butoxyethanol exposures cause (by the way 2-butoxyethanol is a pesticide, a solvent, a poison, a neurotoxin & a teratogen chemical) What should the Presumptive list be? Everything that 2-butoxyethanol could cause : Kidney & Liver Failure/cancers Abnormal glandular functioning/cancers * CFIDS & approaching AIHA "The Fatigue " from which other ailments pile on top Autoimmune issues ALS (note link - Has an autoimmune aspect) Parkinson's MS Diabetes I & II Brain tumors, Soft tissue sarcomas (including lung cancers) even Mesotheliomas NHL Celiac disease, hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, any other thyroid issues Addison's disease, and pernicious anemia can no longer make, store, or use Vitamin B12 gastrointestinal issues (Crohn's) B and T cell cancers - immune system mediation at many levels What for the Korean Vets? *** Associated Health Conditions Presumptively Recognized: Chloracne (must occur within one year of exposure to Agent Orange). Yes, this is an AO caused ailment Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma Soft tissue sarcoma (other than osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, Kaposi's sarcoma, or mesthelioma). Why Excluded? Hodgkin's disease. Porphyria cutanea tarda (must occure within one year of exposure) This may be an AO exposure related condition ? Multiple myeloma. Respiratory cancers, including cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea, and bronchus. Prostate cancer. Acute and subacute transient peripheral neuropathy (must occur within one year of exposure and resolve within two years of date of onset). Type 2 diabetes. Chronic lymphocytic leukemia. Spina bifida (in some of their children) ... other reproductive harm should be there for ALL vets What for the Vietnam Vets? *** Soft tissue sarcoma *** Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma Hodgkin's disease Chloracne (this is from dioxin) Porphyria cutanea tarda (in genetically susceptible individuals) from ? Respiratory cancers (lung, larynx, trachea) Prostate cancer Multiple myeloma Chloracne is a specific acne-like skin disorder; PCT is a liver disorder characterized by thinning and blistering of the skin ?/ on Hepatobiliary cancers, Nasal/nasopharyngeal cancer, Bone cancer Female reproductive cancers (breast, cervical, uterine, ovarian) Renal cancer, Testicular cancer, Leukemia, Spontaneous abortion, Birth defects Neonatal/infant death and stillbirths, Low birthweight, Childhood cancer in offspring Abnormal sperm parameters and infertility ?/on: Cognitive and neuropsychiatric disorders Motor/coordination dysfunction Peripheral nervous system disorders Metabolic and digestive disorders (diabetes, changes in liver enzymes, lipid abnormalities, ulcers) Immune system disorders (immune modulation and autoimmunity) Circulatory disorders Respiratory disorders No evidence? of Skin cancers, Gastrointestinal tumors (stomach cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer), Bladder cancer, Brain tumors They should ALL be included ... EXCEPT for the couple of things that Dioxin does AO causation is a misnomer ... you have your list ... if the odd assortment of CFIDS is there & autoimmune issue/s Vietnam vets only got 1/2 of the disability approvals they should have had. Korean vets should have had the same, plus the others they did get approved. Gulf war vets have no Presumptive list , sadly; not even ALS which they have higher incidence of (most exposure to 2-butoxyethanol is what I think) What happened to our soldiers during war-times came on faster, because they kept getting exposed ... but it is not a different exposure than other mililtary time periods nor than what civilians get, too Check these things first ... signs of EGBE exposure Many ailments are exponentially increasing: Autism in 1 of 166 births; Cerebral Palsy in 1 of 800 births. Suspect Diabetes, Leukodystrophies ... many, many autoimmune metabolic issues. How can we keep going on like this? Treat our soldiers better that's what I say. More thoughts shared with a Cushing's group Do those with CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome' vets and Vietnam vets 'look alike?' At what cost, war? How many Americans have died in wars? How many were later lost ... 'to the syndrome?' Our gulf war vets are asking for help ... ... ...Contact Congress In this post I refer only to web pages I have written; because I have a different view, and it is my way of sharing it. |
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I am very sorry to hear of your loss of children, loss of health, loss of marriage. I think the other chemical in the mix is the cause of these things. A member of patriotfiles.com shared with me that the AO was mixed with jet fuel so it would adhere to the folliage. JP 2-6 are labeled as pesticides and have the warnings of 2-butoxyethanol (old name is ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) This chemical is a teratogen (harms the developing child) a neurotoxin, too. These other nervous system damage issues are often listed with PTSD, but is more probably a poisoning of the Central Nervous System Short term memory loss Difficulty concentrating Personality changes to 'grumpy' - Extreme Irritability Difficulty sleeping at night - Sleep apnea? Narcolepsy in the opposite extreme? All the time Depression Suicidal Tendencies Mimics true psychiatric disorder And more The fatigue clues for autoimmune hemolytic anemia: Chills Fatigue Pale color Shortness of breath Rapid heart rate Yellow skin color (jaundice) Dark urine Enlarged spleen One of our Exxon Valdez oil spill workers who was around the Inipol EAP 22 a great deal ...shared that his child was born dead and deformed. A vietnam Vet who lives in Kenny Lake, Alaska area has a normal child born before his service, and since a child born with Autism; a child born with growth abnormalities. If your wife's personality changed, she could have been exposed to the 2-butoxyethanol second hand. As you breath it out ... she can get it in her eyes. Looks like the flu with too much exposure. The diarrhea is what I get when someone comes around overexposed ...a lady with lupus shared with me that that happened to her when she was in the grocery store aisle one time. Doctors were clueless when it happened to President Eisenhower Other lost children I even suspect the leukemia that George Bush's sister died of could have been Sr Bush bringing the fumes of jet fuel back to his home. It could have been there somewhere. Doesn't this look like the mental disorientation that a chemical such as 2-butoxyethanol would cause? It does to me I strongly suspect Pres FDR died of it; it was not polio, by the way, that he had, but now is viewed as an autoimmune issue similar to MS that caused paralysis. In the chronic stage, it is CIDP Since this is the diabetes-causing, flu-causing, CFIDS-causing chemical, autoimmune-causing chemical, I suspect it starts the immune system attacking the hypothalamus ... and then the red blood cells. Why doctors don't find the fatigue is the bigger question. They could if they looked into all the variations this chemical would cause along the way: red blood cells that are ragged & beat up in early months ... to small-sized later on Why FATIGUE? Blood in urine is also a strong clue Check more in the blood & keep copies of all your blood work What is normal for you? Compare yourself to yourself Maybe you will see a pattern men's chart women's chart Stop taking all the meds that are not helping you Avoid this chemical - or what ails you gets worse AND take glyconutrient food supplements ... I must share that this chemical should be suspect for the premature or early births; for jaundice that babies get; for SIDS. It is the cause of much infertility. For men suspect an autoimmune issue: spontaneous infertility I think if a system was not autoimmune, more children would be born healthy We are seeking help |
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May I quote you in a web page I'm working on today? This is the rest of the list that Vietnam vets should receive disability approval for |
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May I quote you in a web page I'm working on today? This is the rest of the list that Vietnam vets should receive disability approval for[/QUOTE] Thank You very much for your sympathy and concern. YES, you may quote me, it is after all, fact. I am going to make another post on other issues I've had concerning altered lipid metabolism and 3 acute MI's that I've survived.Thanks again. Respectfully, Flash |
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Thank You very much for your sympathy and concern. YES, you may quote me, it is after all, fact. I am going to make another post on other issues I've had concerning altered lipid metabolism and 3 acute MI's that I've survived.Thanks again. Respectfully, Flash[/QUOTE] ... Thank you! I notice that changes in lipid profiles are part of what were on the list to be considered for disability ... Vietnam vets
What for the Vietnam Vets? * Soft tissue sarcoma * Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma Hodgkin's disease Chloracne (this is from dioxin) Porphyria cutanea tarda (in genetically susceptible individuals) from ? Respiratory cancers (lung, larynx, trachea) Prostate cancer Multiple myeloma Chloracne is a specific acne-like skin disorder; PCT is a liver disorder characterized by thinning and blistering of the skin ?/ on Hepatobiliary cancers, Nasal/nasopharyngeal cancer, Bone cancer Female reproductive cancers (breast, cervical, uterine, ovarian) Renal cancer, Testicular cancer, Leukemia, Spontaneous abortion, Birth defects Neonatal/infant death and stillbirths, Low birthweight, Childhood cancer in offspring Abnormal sperm parameters and infertility ?/on: Cognitive and neuropsychiatric disorders Motor/coordination dysfunction Peripheral nervous system disorders Metabolic and digestive disorders (diabetes, changes in liver enzymes, lipid abnormalities, ulcers) Immune system disorders (immune modulation and autoimmunity) Circulatory disorders Respiratory disorders No evidence? of Skin cancers, Gastrointestinal tumors (stomach cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer), Bladder cancer, Brain tumors They should ALL be included mother_margaret@yahoo.com |
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ALS can be related to Persian Gulf War veterans. The very first service connected ALS case approved was one of my clients. We won the case in an appeal in an in person BVA hearing. Korean veterans who were exposed to herbicides are given the same consideation as those in Vietnam. Herbicide use in Korea was limited to a short period 1967-69 and in the DMZ area. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. However service connection of exposure to a disease is more than just opinion. The condition must be scientifically linked to exposure and the studies must be strong enough to convince the politicians to approve the scientific results. That is not easy to do. I have been working on Agent Orange (and other chemical) issues since 1977. Many thousands of veterans have been interviewed by me (as their service officer) when they applied for compensation. In 1983 my Agent Orange articles began to be published. After a few years they were formed into a book which has been revised many times. The first several chapters have not seen modification, however chapters were added as needed. My work uses several sources, including the National Academy of Sciences book "VETERANS AND AGENT ORANGE" as well as the UPDATES which have been about every 2 years. The problem is the acceptance of science by the politicians. After the scientists and physicians give their opinions, the results are then reviewed by VA lawyers. Their opinions are then reviewed and either accepted, or rejected by the political administration in power at the time. |
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Doctors for WWII vets are really stumped, because they want to look in the direction of Agent Orange for the ailments these came down with ... & of course it is not a choice for them. Congratulations on helping your ALS 'gulf war syndrome' vet for getting disability approved. Must have been very hard to appear in person with that aillment ... Sadly, it is not a presumptively approved disability for this group ... even with the 'stand out' harm in that category ... or in any of the 'higher incidences' reported by this group. I still contend that the common chemical of harm for the 30s - present day is 2-butoxyethanol ... and a stronger version of it probably from the male tanks of WWI & other war periods. For those who will look at the bigger picture, the pattern is there in all these groups. Simply put, you are looking for the CFIDS biomarkers, and doctors, to date, do not know what the fatigue is (AIHA or approaching AIHA is what this chemical would cause) Too bad Korean Vets' disability approval is limited to any times they were around Dioxin. I noticed that. The list, I firmly believe, is unfairly limited. It should be expanded. Why do our health-damaged soldiers have to fight so? I think it is a blight on our Nation. Approve them all, that's what I think! How hard is this for the ailments that show up during service: they were healthy before they entered; not well during their service? These, at the very least, should be easily approved. For others, they will definitely remember a serious FLU, or multilple bouts of diarrhea and flu-like symptoms. I did a 'chemical profile' regarding possible exposure to this chemical for one of our Citizens a few months ago. I suspect his being in Korea was one of them. Our Jeff Today's soldier says, "I need help" As to 'gulf war syndrome' Why I think the USA can't find the real cause  I'm just a nobody who stumbled onto the fatigue of CFIDS ... & want to do my part to help my country & the service people who have fought for our freedom Help your doctors out, but giving them a little more info What's different on my opinion, is that it is based on recognizing the signs of 2-butoxyethanol poisoning. Spent 4 years on it. Recognize it. Not unlike the NASA man did in his field one day. Anyone for music? This message has been edited. Last edited by: DearMaggie, |
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My father served in Vietnam and was exposed to large amounts of Agent Orange. He died in 1989 while we lived in England. He had originally been diagnosed with some form of "viral infection", then was later diagnosed with "hepatitis non-A non-B". hepatitis non-A non-B is what they used to refer to hepatitis C as, since there was no official test for it and no treatments at the time. Also he had had for quite some time before hand, several upper-digestive problems. At the time of diagnosis with hepatitis non-A non-B (hepatitis C), it was assumed that he contracted it through a blood transfusion he received during open-heart surgery about 6 or 7 years earlier. In the past few days, while researching my own medical condition, I came across information regarding some health effects caused by Agent Orange that I was previously unaware of: esophogial and digetive complications, and liver complications that sometimes mimic the symptoms and effects of hepatitis C. Is it possible that what we thought to be hepatitis C was actually caused by Agent Orange?
Now, regarding my medical problem. I have a very prominent connective tissue disorder. I have so far been unable to find any doctor knowledgable enough to diagnose it. After my own research, I feel that it may be a form of Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS) (info at http://www.ednf.org/index.php). There only seems to be one contradiction: EDS is completely hereditary, due to the fact that it's caused by mutated genes and/or DNA breaks; No one in my entire faimily history has had this disorder. I think that I may be the exception to the rule, because although no one in my family has/had it, Agent Orange would have the ability to cause a gene mutation that would create similar problems to EDS. By the way, I was born in 1984. Does anyone know if there is a corellation between AO and connection tissue disorders in the children of Vietnam Veterans? I also have asthma. I would appreciate any info on the Hepatits C issue or the EDS issue. I know that it would be "too-little too-late" for my father, but it's not too late for me....and I have my son to worry about, if it is genetic. Thank you for taking the time to read this. |
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