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Baahumbug! Drat! Rats! Foiled Again!... Frown

Weellll, I guess that news ruins my chances of being the middle-man who could have set you folks up with a "previously owned" and lovingly maintained Aircraft Carrier. Was my fee too high? Okay I'll accept a used Holland & Holland Double gun or a used Purdey..? Put in a good word for me with Des Browne- Cool

On a serious note: I'm glad that some UK workers will get jobs from this deal--but--that's alot of money to spend on a Carrier that doesn't have the modern style double launch deck that we've used for some years now. I'd post a picture, but I'm not computer-slick. Some of you "Janes" readers know what I mean.

BTW---If you read the above linked BBC account, did you notice Alex Salmond's comment? What a two-faced politician. His party wants to separate from the UK, BUT...Hey, he sure is glad to build ships for the RN... Roll Eyes
 
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Not sure whether the Beeb's pic is the finalised design. However IIRC the thinking is that if you have a ski-jump and STOVL aircraft turnaround times are supposedly much less than catapults so you don't need the same amount of launch points as you would with a conventional aircraft.

If the F-35B goes knockers-up then there is a plan for a redesigned deck (as the French version will have) to take Rafale or whatever they decide on.
 
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Nine years after its commissioning, HMS Ocean, the Royal Navy’s helicopter carrier, will undergo a one-year refit at Devonport. (UK Ministry of Defence photo)



HMS Ocean In Line For Major Refit

(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued Aug. 22, 2007)

A multi-million pound contract has been awarded to Babcock Marine, owners of Devonport Dockyard, for a major upgrade to the Royal Navy's Plymouth-based helicopter carrier HMS Ocean.

The focus will be on improving the accommodation for sailors and Royal Marines on the assault carrier and further equipping her for her world-wide role.

The contract is worth about £30 million and covers the provision of maintenance and upgrade work on the 21,000 tonne ship. Work is expected to start this September and, following extensive sea trials, the ship will return to service in September 2008.

During HMS Ocean's overhaul, the carrier HMS Ark Royal will take on her role of helicopter carrier able to embark a force of Royal Marine Commandos for amphibious operations - a role for which Ark Royal routinely exercises.

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The contract has been awarded as part of the developing Surface Ship Support Alliance which is the contracting approach being explored by the Ministry of Defence with the current providers of surface ship support/industry, Babcock Marine, to deliver effective, efficient and sustainable engineering support to the Royal Naval Fleet.

The year-long refit of HMS Ocean will involve the fitting of new sections of main propulsion shafts, extensive improvements in accommodation, including the provision of mess-decks (dining areas) in troop accommodation areas, storage for troop equipment, improvements to the galley (kitchen) and increased food storage areas, and an upgrade to the ship's aviation support facilities to improve support to the Army's Apache attack helicopter.

HMS Ocean was commissioned in 1998. Her primary role is to carry up to 800 Royal Marine Commandos supported by up to 18 helicopters and four Mk 5 landing craft. Secondary roles include training, a limited anti-submarine warfare role and acting as a base for anti-terrorist operations.

In 2003 HMS Ocean acted as the UK's lead amphibious landing ship during Operation Telic (Iraq) when she provided a launch pad and sea-based logistics for 3 Commando Brigade's assault on the Al Faw peninsula. She was most recently involved in anti-drug smuggling operations in the Caribbean.

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...[semi-related]...



Nine years after its commissioning, HMS Ocean, the Royal Navy’s helicopter carrier, will undergo a one-year refit at Devonport. (UK Ministry of Defence photo)



HMS Ocean In Line For Major Refit

(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued Aug. 22, 2007)

A multi-million pound contract has been awarded to Babcock Marine, owners of Devonport Dockyard, for a major upgrade to the Royal Navy's Plymouth-based helicopter carrier HMS Ocean.

The focus will be on improving the accommodation for sailors and Royal Marines on the assault carrier and further equipping her for her world-wide role.

The contract is worth about £30 million and covers the provision of maintenance and upgrade work on the 21,000 tonne ship. Work is expected to start this September and, following extensive sea trials, the ship will return to service in September 2008.

During HMS Ocean's overhaul, the carrier HMS Ark Royal will take on her role of helicopter carrier able to embark a force of Royal Marine Commandos for amphibious operations - a role for which Ark Royal routinely exercises.

...

The contract has been awarded as part of the developing Surface Ship Support Alliance which is the contracting approach being explored by the Ministry of Defence with the current providers of surface ship support/industry, Babcock Marine, to deliver effective, efficient and sustainable engineering support to the Royal Naval Fleet.

The year-long refit of HMS Ocean will involve the fitting of new sections of main propulsion shafts, extensive improvements in accommodation, including the provision of mess-decks (dining areas) in troop accommodation areas, storage for troop equipment, improvements to the galley (kitchen) and increased food storage areas, and an upgrade to the ship's aviation support facilities to improve support to the Army's Apache attack helicopter.

HMS Ocean was commissioned in 1998. Her primary role is to carry up to 800 Royal Marine Commandos supported by up to 18 helicopters and four Mk 5 landing craft. Secondary roles include training, a limited anti-submarine warfare role and acting as a base for anti-terrorist operations.

In 2003 HMS Ocean acted as the UK's lead amphibious landing ship during Operation Telic (Iraq) when she provided a launch pad and sea-based logistics for 3 Commando Brigade's assault on the Al Faw peninsula. She was most recently involved in anti-drug smuggling operations in the Caribbean.

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I thought she was going to be renamed HMS Typhoid Mary on account of the TB epidemic on board?
 
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It seems the cost now includes five existing warships an airbase and three of the RAF's fast vanishing fighter squadrons.

Question.... If you pay off the escorts in order to buy the carrier, doesn't that leave it unprotected?

DUH!
 
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Quite an interesting update:

Royal Navy may share new carriers with France

An interesting concept that would likely be unworkable in execution. There are just too many differences between the foreign policies of the UK and France.

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The “bilateral carrier group interoperability initiative” was proposed by the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, at his summit meeting with Gordon Brown in London in March.

French sources suggest it could result in either navy borrowing an aircraft carrier from the other if their own was unavailable as a result of a breakdown or refit...
 
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Building two new carriers on the Clyde reminded me of Gracie Fields and the film "Shipyard Sally."

A You Tube video, Gracie singing "Land of Hope and Glory."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l-7-zxT528&feature=related
 
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Gracie Fields!

That's going back a fair bit SeaToby.

Welcome aboard.
 
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Britain Signs £3 Billion Contracts for New Aircraft Carriers

(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued July 3, 2008)

The Cutting and Pasting of large slabs of news reports is an unneccessay waste of bandwidth.

Please post again, using only the URL, and your introductory comments.

I have previously made this request to you on other posts.

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Isn't "three" the magic number for ensuring that one carrier remains operational at all times?

-one operational
-With one in overhaul
-one going to or from overhaul
 
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