...PSs are going to become MEs.

COMDT MSG regarding Maritime Enforcement (ME) Rating

Though I think being a ME TWO might be a little selfish...

ME one, ME two, ME three. Awesome. When do I make MEC? (which is french slang for "pimp").

Jerry;
It is a little bit off of the actual point of your post, but I would suggest eceryone read this as "PSs are going to be given the chance to proove they should be MEs" vice "PSs are going to become MEs." Even without a rating change, every enlisted member is required to be able to proove they should be in their current rating by demonstarting abilty to perform all EPQs UP TO AND INCLUDING their current rate. Normally this is expected to be a short fuse issue where say a PS1 is expected at any time to be able to do every PS3, PS2 and PS1 EPQ, there obvioulsy will be alittle bit of adjustment time allowed. Obviously ME and PS will NOT be the same rating, have the same EPQs or even the same BASIC requirements, so some PSs will not qualify. Everyone has to face that. I sit about 3 feet from MC Alred, so I know he is ensuring that there is a proper mix of service need and members' protection. That said, it is clear that everyone needs to understand that there is a limited amount of paychecks left in the "PS" rating checkbook. The people with the most chance of future success are the one that plant that fact squarely in their head. After a certain date to be announced later, there will be no more "PS Paychecks" written. If folks want an ME, MST, DC or any other existing ratings paycheck, they need to make great efforts to demonstrate they deserve and earn that paycheck. Past performance was compesated with past paychecks. Future paychecks will be for future performance.

I have been directly and deeply involved in decomission EIGHT ratings and commisioning FIVE new ratings in the last 8 or so years. The above information I can guarantee is VITAL for every individuals success. Others will sell it more softly than I do, but they aren't looking out for you in reality.

MC:

I probably should have qualified my statement a little further.

I've seen the PS rating splinter twice; once into FS (Fire Safety) and then into MST.

I would assume PSs at the MSU/MSD units will be offered MST. PSs at STAs could be offered several different ratings, to include ME.

Do you think there will be MEs at PSUs, or will there still be PSs there? Or is the PS rating completely going away?

Just speculating.

Jerry;
The plan at this point is PS will be respectfuly decomissioned with the honors it deserves. The members of the rating will be offered reasonable chances to start earning MST, ME, BM, etc paychecks. HQ will publish more detailed info on how this will happen. MC Alred is deeply involved to make sure that the process is reasonable to both the service and the members.

Any folks out there who are PSs now and are pretty sure that thet don't want to be a ME, start working on the EPQs for the rating you want to be NOW. If you think you want to be an ME, be ready to start working on those tasks as soon as they are available.

MC:

Now that you've really peaked my interest in this transition, what is going to happen to the PSS Warrant specialty?

Who will ascend into it, or is it going away, too?

I understand ME will have its own Warrant specialty, correct?

Like I care about tratorous SOBs who desert the MEss to have wardroom privalges?



Several of us were careful to point out the huge errors made during JRR as well as the roadbumps during the IS standup wrt the CWO specialty and path. First thing needs to be decided is how many (if any) CWOs are needed to do the CGs bussiness. There is no magic formula for this. Part of the process is you decide how many 8s and 9s you need to do the business. If it is more than you can have, then you can tag some of them CWO. You do not neccesarily need to have one even for the Assignment Officer. Several ratings use AOs not from that rating/specilaty. If things happen as they have in the past, they will probably decide that we need to have 'some' CWO even if there is no service need for them.

So, I would guess that they should be able to wrap up everything in one transition. I would expect that at the end of the process there will be no PSSs either. They will have the same options: Proove you are worthy of another specialty, relad or IRR. Again, the best way to proove as a current PSS that you should be allowed to be a MESS (I just made that up, but it is funny), would be to complete the E-4 to E-7 EPQs of an ME. That is just Phil's thought considering to be a CWO you must at a minimum proove you are qualified to be a Chief.

If CWO(MESS) happens to become fact, how many F&Ss do you think are going to put in for a lateral?

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ME one, ME two, ME three

MEC UworkwhileIEat
ME1 Fatguy
ME2 DeepInDoodoo
ME3 Way

PSS revert back to the original specialty, Boatswain, less the 9600 ?? specialty code..

So will we lateral to another rate, BM or whatever, as an E6 if we are an E6? How long would they give us to complete those praqs? Won't that impact the existing rate structure?

Are the SMEs going to accept civilian LE training ala' IV?

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Originally posted by MastersMate:
PSS revert back to the original specialty, Boatswain, less the 9600 ?? specialty code..

PSS were never BM's, at least to my knowledge.

Reserve BMs became BOSNs on the Reserve Side.

Reserve PSs, IVs, and MSTs became PSSs.

AD MSTs became BOSNs.

This has changed since the advent of the MSSE and MSSD specialties.

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Originally posted by BTDT:
So will we lateral to another rate, BM or whatever, as an E6 if we are an E6? How long would they give us to complete those praqs? Won't that impact the existing rate structure?

Are the SMEs going to accept civilian LE training ala' IV?

BTDT;
Those details are being worked out. That is one of the reasons I suggested if you don't plan on being an ME, start now! Startign now can not hurt you. We don't know how it will impact other rating structures becuase we don't know what each PS billet will become. It should be obvious that if your unit has a PS doing "BM" work right now, that the most likely rioght thing to do would be to make the billet a BM billet. Again - that is one of the things being worked on. Obvioulsy, service need will fit into the equation. We just couldn't allow EVERY PS to lateral to PA, or BM, or MST or even ME. There will likely be a 'little' more latitude than a 'normal' lateral process. If I were a PS, I would plan to have whatever rating EPQs I needed to get done completed by Jan 2010. That would likely allow me a little cushion if I don't meet my goal. It might even allow me a large cushion. What it will do for sure is get me in the door early, before things might get more competitive.

Civilian equivelants are also being looked at. This is nothing new. Every rating evaluates civilian training equivelancy. My personal view is that if your civilian training and experience REALLY warrants equivelancy, than it should be pretty easy for you to demonstarte you deserve to have the EPQ signed off. As far as getting into the rating becuase of your civilian job, MY OPINION is that if you show me a civilian job that requires you to know the COAST GUARDs UOF policy and requires you to know, say who Marcus Hannah is and how to draft a Coast Guard Record message, then I would count it. Al of those things will be required knowledge for a ME2.

Thank you. That was a great reply to a question. It seems that we just have to wait until the EPQs come out. I have all my required done for PS1, so...

In regards to the civilian training. I respectfully will challange that and ask to be shown where a CG "LEO" learns how to do a car stop. Arrest a Burglar. Process a homicide scene, etc. I think they need to look at it as equal to what the FLETC academy teaches.

Although it may not look like it's CG related, it's alot easier to learn the UOF policies than pick up a DVD and try to learn how to investigate a crime, engage, etc.

I'm not saying you don't have a valid, point, you do, I just want to see if this is going to be a "CG knows all about LE" or if they will acknowledge that many PS who are cops, probably know more than the average PT BTO, and that they should recognize that fact. We have alot to offer.

Prior to about 1983+/- , BOATSWAIN was the warrant specialty for the PS rating. It held a qualification code of 9500.

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As the only PS on the PS-A School staff, I have to chime in on what MC said. I have seen a draft copy of the new ME EPQs. And before anyone asks, no, I am not at liberty to release them.

Those that want to become a ME had better get off the couch and start working out. If the EPQs pass as written, you will be required to maintain the BO/BTM PT standards throughout your entire CG career. This is a good thing. You will also be required to maintain your weapons quals on the PDW (.40 or 9mm). Those that don't shoot on a regular basis, had better start practicing.

If you are not BO or BTM qualified, I would start working on those quals right away. If not, there could be some unhappy people in early 2010.

PSC Robby Colbert
Asst. Chief, PS-A School

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Originally posted by retpdsgt:
As the only PS on the PS-A School staff, I have to chime in on what MC said. I have seen a draft copy of the new ME EPQs. And before anyone asks, no, I am not at liberty to release them.

Those that want to become a ME had better get off the couch and start working out. If the EPQs pass as written, you will be required to maintain the BO/BTM PT standards throughout your entire CG career. This is a good thing. You will also be required to maintain your weapons quals on the PDW (.40 or 9mm). Those that don't shoot on a regular basis, had better start practicing.

If you are not BO or BTM qualified, I would start working on those quals right away. If not, there could be some unhappy people in early 2010.

PSC Robby Colbert
Asst. Chief, PS-A School

As per what I heard at the E8/9 Conference from MC Allred, I highly concer with PSC. Put down the X-Box and start hitting the gym. Also, get your BO/BTM school requests in yesterday.

If you don't think you want to go ME, start the lateral process NOW and beat the rush for whatever rate you wish to switch to. Don't wait until 2010.

BMCS

PS at the PSU's qualify with their weapons systems at least twice a year, PT test twice a year DOG standards, and maintain their quals. BO/BTM is part of SecDiv training (at least out here). What other quals are required to lateral?

What about the RSWE this fall for PS?

Any changes or study the regular PS stuff, even though it will be obsolete soon.

BTDT;
I understand your point. Here is the deal with 'rate determinations' and deciding on the relevancy of 'other' training. We decide wether or not the persons background and/or specific training is equal (or at least damn close) to CG standards. Now, there will be a couple of places where an ME will be doing car stops, but not enough to make it a required training level. If an ME wants to apply to be a sherriff, and hasn't been trained how to do car stops, I wouldn't expect them to be hired on at an advanced 'paygrade' to handle car stops w/o first getting that training and then COMPETING against other deputies to proove they deserve that promotion to Sgt more than the rest of the deputies. Same thing here.