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Originally posted by thirdshift:
don't know if any of you have seen my posts on the other boards but i'm still considering dropping out of DEP. Number one when i went to talk to my recruiter yesterday he told me that I cant just drop out of DEP. A boldfaced lie i thought i could trust my recruiter but obviously not. Second the recruiter i have now is not the one that put me in. My first recruiter basically forced me to go down to MEPS. I stopped in his office one day and he told me i was going to MEPS tomorrow I thought it was a joke. But then i realized he was serious and i didn't want to piss him off so i said ok. Then on the way down there he told me what to lie about with my medical history which I did because he gave me a bunch of **** about if i don't lie he'll do this and that to me. However i do want to serve my country but i don't want to be associated with liars. IMHO recruiters shouldn't lie to possible recruits under any circumstances. And they definatly shouldn't make them lie to pump ther numbers up. I'm thinkin about telling the truth on my medical history when i have to go to MEPS again been in DEP for over 2 years. Not because i'm pissed but because it is the right thing to do. I have a mild case of asthma and i don't want someone else having to pick up my slack cuz i lied. Problem is I think i'll owe them college first money if i do that.

Get a second opinion from a different recruiter. Most recruiters are liars because they have quotas to fill. There are a few good ones that give truths. I think that there may even be a few that have added posts to this board. Read the posts.

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Originally posted by MarineVet0341:

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Originally posted by FO2_325:
you have to realize that you just screwed a Recruiter, regardless of what branch.

I see now. It's all about your pu$$y hurting.

That wasn't very nice

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Originally posted by BobandLarry:

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Originally posted by MarineVet0341:

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Originally posted by FO2_325:
you have to realize that you just screwed a Recruiter, regardless of what branch.

I see now. It's all about your pu$$y hurting.

That wasn't very nice

that's ok, we realize what he really is underneath all his talk... this thread is about two things: Recruiters who weren't honest, and the people who don't have what it takes.

I was in a similar situation...an missed my deployment...which I saw the error in my ways an basically begged the colonal over my recruiter to let me back an he did...My recruiter didn't get mad at me or anything...He has never brought it up...an we run everyday together...so not all recruiters are bad...maybe 5% are bad the rest are hard workers...I mean hell only 3 out of 10 people are even qualified to even enlist...so there is alot of pressure on them...

I can agree with both sides. No you are not under an obligation but there was a reason that brought you into a recruiting office. Whatever the reason is it was for a good cause. Maybe you need a job or maybe your missing something in you life, something in your heart. When I put this uniform on the whole world changes before my eyes. People treat you different, with so much more respect. The other day I had a little girl run up to me, tug at my hand and ask me if she could have a hug. She thanked me for serving my country and protecting her. I thought her parents told her to do it. She couldn't have been more then 10 years old. Her mom came running over thinking she had run off. She came up to me on her own and did it. That made me feel like I was making a difference. If you are having second thoughts, it is normal. I did too, all my friends were trying to change my mind. Thankfully I didn't listen to them cause they all are exactly were they were when I joined. Except for their dead end jobs with no benefits, horrible pay, and broke down apartments and cars. My life is so much more better then theirs as bad as that may sound but it is the truth. Trust me when I say that the military is portrayed by the wrong people. If they all knew the life we live and the people and places we can see, they would shut their mouths in a heart beat. Honor, loyalty, and respect are saddly loosing their meaning in the civilian world. But it still means everything to the military. Persue your military career for a short while. Then you can choose to leave or stick with it. Good Luck!!!

If you have questions about the Army recruiting process you can reach me at sean.bargar@usarec.army.mil. Yes I am an Army Recruiter but I'm the new school one that needs not lie to you. In my office we dont need to lie!

Well, this is not a "They won't let me leave" question(you bunch of punks). My question is the following I was an E-6 til December 2005 and I was medically discharge for Asthma, yet all I read nowadays is how amputees are still contributing in our Army and I with my condition that has improved and could improve further more why am I not given the chance to go back to active duty?? Do I find that fair??? Hell no! What is the difference between them an me???? I really don't want to hire rank becuase yes I read about an O-3, O-4 and E-7, yet I also read about an E-5. I am not complaining because I have an outstanding job w/ outstanding benefits, yet the principle of the fact is once a soldier, always a soldier and I feel I was not treated justly. I would like to hear from all recruiters out there. If there is a chance tell me. My email is hubertsomohano444@Yahoo.com

bACK IN 1970 THE RECURITERS CAME TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH STATE POLICE AND SHERRIFS ,THEY BLOCKED ALL EXITS AND EVERYONE OF DRAFT AGE WERE CALLED INTO THE AUDITORUIM ,IF YOU WERE NOT REGISTERED YOU WERE GONE ,IF YOU WERE BUT DID NOT HAVE ENOUGHT POINTS TO GRADUATE ,YOU HAD NO CHOICE,THE BUS TO JAIL OR affeeS. Lot of intimidation after their second visit I enlisted rather than be taken ,had a good career ,but found out 32 years later I was infected in boot camp with Hepatitis -c.
Dealing with the VA medical system is a nightmare , and I was a nurse at one of the hospitals ,I feel sorry for all the men forced to do multiple tours back to back and returning with severe mental health issues and unknown health problems not surfaced as of yet it will be decades before the damage shows from medical experimentation on troops in the field ,exposure to (DU) PARASITES AND VIRUSES. Like Gulf WAR 1 ,THE PILLS TO PREVENT NERVE AGENTS DONE MORE DAMAGE THAN AN ACTUAL ATTACK PLUS CONSTANT EXPOSURE TO DEPLETED URANIUM.
even if they let you leave ,it could be to late.

sounds kind of fishy and doesn't make a lot of sense, but thanks for your service and input.

i was a DEP who didnt ship the 1st time...and not shipping on my 1st time was the best decision i ever made...

intitial enlistment: army 19k 6 yrs $3K
got GF prego and didnt ship due to the fact i didnt want to miss my sons birth.

came back 6 months later to see if i could enlist again and got
army 19k 4yr $10K

so i enlisted for 2 yrs less and got $7K more bonus....

not to shaby if i say so my self.

I got a huge problem with the whole "You signed a contract. You got a legal(and moral) obligation to follow though" Hell, I got a major objection to the whole setup that people can't quit once they leave to Basic. This stuff is taken advantage of people at it's finest. Firstly, if that contract you sign at MEPS is so crucial, it should be mandated that an attorney be present to at least give the full ramifications of that contract (Basically, "the government owns your *** with your signature.") and answer all questions. Very few truly realize at that time what that signature means. I think that's horrid exploitation. Throughout one's life, people sign documents fully informed or with a professional present. Why is committing to the Army, for instance, the one place where you just get thrown a piece of paper and sign away your life for 8 years? It's just so shady. Especially when you consider the impressionability and young ages of those doing the enlisting for the most part.

To the thread starter, I know this topic is old, but I hope you didn't let some a-hole talk you into doing something that you didn't want to do simply because you weren't given the opportunity to fully grasp what you were doing at MEPS. The whole system is designed to take advantage of impulsivity. You should be able to impulsively decide to leave anytime until you complete AIT.

Civillian4Ever...

Were you dropped on your hrad when you were a child?

If you have so many issues with the Military and those who have the stones to sign up and serve, then why are you here?

Civilian4Ever
Basic Training
Posted Sun 01 April 2007 12:32 PM Hide Post
I got a huge problem with the whole "You signed a contract. You got a legal(and moral) obligation to follow though" Hell, I got a major objection to the whole setup that people can't quit once they leave to Basic. This stuff is taken advantage of people at it's finest. Firstly, if that contract you sign at MEPS is so crucial, it should be mandated that an attorney be present to at least give the full ramifications of that contract (Basically, "the government owns your *** with your signature.") and answer all questions. Very few truly realize at that time what that signature means. I think that's horrid exploitation. Throughout one's life, people sign documents fully informed or with a professional present. Why is committing to the Army, for instance, the one place where you just get thrown a piece of paper and sign away your life for 8 years? It's just so shady. Especially when you consider the impressionability and young ages of those doing the enlisting for the most part.

To the thread starter, I know this topic is old, but I hope you didn't let some a-hole talk you into doing something that you didn't want to do simply because you weren't given the opportunity to fully grasp what you were doing at MEPS. The whole system is designed to take advantage of impulsivity. You should be able to impulsively decide to leave anytime until you complete AIT.



No one is completely 100% sure they want to join the military because for some, it is something that they have never done before...it it the fear of the unknown! You don't sign away 8 years of your life...your are enhancing your life! People will always have their opinions about the militar, just remember, the military have been about for some 230 some odd years and it will still be here when we both die!!!!

"Everyone is patriotic until a recruiter calls!"

This is what I think about this whole thread. If you're not happy with your contract, why sign? Call your recruiter before signing and ask the pertinent questions so we can get you what you want, qualifications and availability permitting.

Here's the thing for all of you thinking about enlisting but on the fence-until you are sure that you want to join the military, don't make the commitment to go to MEPS and enlist. Talk it over with friends and family, consider what you want and why you're doing this, and then make the commitment. Backing out of your contract isn't illegal but it is a major inconvenience for a lot of people when you back out-not one that a recruiter or a recruiting station won't bounce back from but still... A lot of work goes into getting you the contract.

Many recruiter asked me several times if this is what I truly want to do. Said yes every time.

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Originally posted by stec74:

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Originally posted by Action_Junkie:
I'm in your situation. They can't retain you. You are under no obligation and can walk away.

You won't be barred from re-enlisting in the Corps or any other branch.

You are under no obligation, except for a binding contract and your oath to god and country.

The military chooses not to prosecute people who want out of their contract because we do not need honorless slugs in the World's greatest military.

Oh, and yes you can walk away, with your tail between your legs and your head hung in shame.

AMEN!!!!! Why the hell did you sign up, if you had doubts in the first place. I am a married, 25 yr old, fine as hell, mother of two kids, and I made dang sure this is what I wanted with my life before I enlisted. This isnt a game or a free pass to go travel and see the world, this is a way of life, a SELFLESS duty to your country. If I have the strenth/mentality to serve , so do you.

If they don't approve your leaving DEP before your ship date, just don't go. They have no choice but to discharge you from DEP as you are not a member of any service until graduation from Boot Camp. (It is VERY difficult to get out during Boot Camp though.) This may interfere with signing on with the military at a later date, but that will be your only issue. No one has been prosecuted under the law that keeps someone in DEP in at least the last 27 years. I'll try to find the link to a group that can help you out if your having issues with the recruiter and post it in a bit.


Here we go:

contact the GI Rights Hotline (800-394-9544, girights@objector.org) if you have any questions or if you need assistance with harassment by a recruiter.

Once you submit the letter they HAVE to approve it, there is no denying it. That is a ploy to pressure you to change your mind. You no longer have to even talk to them, unless of course you've recieved financial gratification already, in which case you'll need to set up a repayment plan. I'm sorry you're not going to be serving, I'm in DEP at the moment myself. Anyway, hope this helps.

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Originally posted by stec74:

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Originally posted by Action_Junkie:
I'm in your situation. They can't retain you. You are under no obligation and can walk away.

You won't be barred from re-enlisting in the Corps or any other branch.

You are under no obligation, except for a binding contract and your oath to god and country.

The military chooses not to prosecute people who want out of their contract because we do not need honorless slugs in the World's greatest military.

Oh, and yes you can walk away, with your tail between your legs and your head hung in shame.

Was all that necesary? You don't live his life, you shouldn't talk like that. You don't know what goes on his his mind, in his home, in his family, anything at all about him! You don't walk in his shoes so check your condescending attitude at the door.

You need to go find another JOb maybe TACO Bell with you attitude, Grow up or stay at home this Oct.

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Originally posted by JRos83:

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Originally posted by stec74:

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Originally posted by Action_Junkie:
I'm in your situation. They can't retain you. You are under no obligation and can walk away.

You won't be barred from re-enlisting in the Corps or any other branch.

You are under no obligation, except for a binding contract and your oath to god and country.

The military chooses not to prosecute people who want out of their contract because we do not need honorless slugs in the World's greatest military.

Oh, and yes you can walk away, with your tail between your legs and your head hung in shame.

Was all that necesary? You don't live his life, you shouldn't talk like that. You don't know what goes on his his mind, in his home, in his family, anything at all about him! You don't walk in his shoes so check your condescending attitude at the door.

Wow, you just ooze empathy. See, all of us HAVE walked in his shoes, except we shipped out... some of us have even actively enagaged the enemy too, not weazled out of basic like some people...