Great photos with a lot of detail, thanx for posting them up here.

He was in the last years when the frock coat, epaulets and the fore 'aft was still worn. Read i some of my diggings into the uniforn, that there was talk of reviving that dress uniform after WW2, but it never made the return.

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Didn't the Revenue Cutter Service wear a similar cover? I seem to remember an identical (or at least a closely similar one) at a USCG Ancient Mariner ceremony several years ago.

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Didn't the Revenue Cutter Service wear a similar cover? I seem to remember an identical (or at least a closely similar one) at a USCG Ancient Mariner ceremony several years ago.

Surface Force, extremely observant. From what I can dig into, the exact same with the exception of the CG style gilt button as part of the ornamentation.

From 1940 until 1976, the Coast Guard Uniform regulations, were the USN regs with a CG specific addendum concerning insignia etc. Earlier regs back to 1891 look almost like re-prints of Navy regs with minor differences.

As for the "Ancient Mariner", I've sent along a couple of e-mails to a few folks at CGHQ just to check up on the authenticity of the chapeau.

I THINK he's wearing the thing backwards. Everything I seen so far indicate the gold lace striping is worn to starboard, not port.

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Hmmmm, interesting. You'd think there would be regs in the CG archives to tell them which side.

I can think of two uniforms that for some reason the USCG never took the opportunity to change: Full/Service Dress Whites and the Dinner Dress Uniforms are still identical to USN too.

The full/service dress whites were eliminated in 1976 when the CG shifted to the present uniform. Adm Yost re-introduced the whites in 1987 ??? as a part of his tenure to try to re-establish a more military service image. The service missed another chance, if it was a different uniform identity they wanted to establish. There was a white uniform of the same cut as their present service dress, worn by the "shore establishment" during WW2. Might not have been a bad idea to re-introduce that one in modern material. My guess is that the CG being frugal prevailed again.

Had heard small talk that there was a "movement" to change the color/cummerbund to something " Coast Guard" but I'd guess the forces of etiquette prevailed with the accepted black & white after 6. I was long retired by that time.

As far as the cocked hat, from the 1930 Uniform Regs :

134. Cocked hat.
(l) For all commissioned officers except chief warrant officers.
(2) General style - Officers of the rank of rear admiral and rank of commodore. - Shall be a rigid cocked hat, about 5 inches high, of black silk beaver, with dimensions as follows: Left fan, 5 1/2 inches high, right fan 4 1/2 inches high, peak to peak, 16 to 18 inches long. In the fold at each end of the hat there shall be placed a tassel of five gold bullions underlaid by five blue bullions. A stripe of 1 1/2 inch gold lace shall be laid on flat around the outer rims of the fans, passing under the peaks.

On the right fan there shall be fitted a black silk cockade 3 1/2 inches in diameter, over which a loop shall be formed of two parts of 1 1/2 gold lace. The point of the loop shall touch the middle of the lower rim of the fan, and the loop shall slope upward and forward at an angle of 45° from the vertical, the ends being carried over the rim of the fan. Rims of fans shall be fastened together, front and back, by bows of 9/16 inch black silk ribbon placed one - third of the vertical height of the hat. A large size (7/8 inch) Coast Guard gilt button shall be fastened above the V formed at the lower end of the loop by folding over the lace.
The bottom of the hat shall be straight, turning neither up or down at the ends, front or back. All material, gold lace, button, braid, and findings to be of the best quality.
(3) Officers of the rank of captain and commander. - Shall be the same as for rear admiral, except that in lieu of gold lace on the outer rims a stripe of black lace, 2 1/2 inches wide, woven with sprays of oak leaves and acorns, with scalloped edge, shall be used to bind the edges and shall show 1 1/4 inches on each side.
(4) Other commissioned officers. - Shall be the same as for officers of the rank of captain or commander, except that the gold lace of the loop shall be 1 inch wide.

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Great history lesson! Thank-you Dana.

More than welcome,

Surface, you are very interesting when you chime in with your bits of info over with Hooligans Navy, keep up the good fight. You are doing well.

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More than welcome,

Surface, you are very interesting when you chime in with your bits of info over with Hooligans Navy, keep up the good fight. You are doing well.

Yes, let's just say there are some interesting characters amongst the bunch over there who have convinced themselves that the boards are "theirs" and my presence seems to cause much angst amongst them. Too bad for the I guess.

I do post in the interest of informing others who may not have known the specific background issues related to Deepwater.

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Uniform Trivia again, from the 1941 Navy Uniform Regs, along with Submariner, Naval Aviator, Naval Flight Observer, one of the 4 breast insignia for uniforms

Yes, the MMR (USNR) insignia first authorized by then CAPT Nimitz, head of the Bureau of Navigation.

A big salute back to a fellow licensed officer!