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Trivia Question - Name the only two Fathers and Sons to have been awarded the MOH.
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Douglas and Arthur MacArthur
Theodore and Theodore Roosevelt Jr. |
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Gumbydammit - you win the kewpie doll! FYI- Of the four, President Roosevelt waited the longest, awarded for Spanish American War by President Clinton! Arthur Macarthur next longest, over 30 years, and from all accounts as a result of "blowing his own horn" for decades until the USA finally relented! |
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Douglas MacArthur, awarded the Medal of Honor for abandoning his troops to the Japanese and saving his own azz.
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And Macarthur was awarded two -one from the Army and one from the Navy! |
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Yes, Commonly referred to by the Troops as “Dugout Doug” during WWII. If I can think of it, I’ll go back to one of my books and quote something that Fleet Admiral Leahy said to MacArthur right before that big conference in Hawaii attended by FDR, Leahy “Dugout Doug” and Admiral Nimitz… What a hoot… |
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First of all the term 'Most Decorated' is not only controversial but very impossible to pin down. You have to take into account such factors as the number of campaign awards, precedence, and even the criteria from war to war.
Listed below is a list compiled of the most Decorated US military personnel of all time. Top 50 Most Highly Decorated U.S. Military Personnel of All Time Who Were Awarded the MOH 1. GA Douglas MacArthur, USA 2. Col Edward V. Rickenbacker, USAAS 3. VADM John D. Bulkeley, USN 4. CDR Samuel D. Dealey, USN 5. SgtMaj Daniel J. Daly, USMC 6. Col Robert L. Howard, USA 7. RADM Richard H. O'Kane, USN 8. Maj Thomas B. McGuire, Jr., USAAF 9. VADM James B. Stockdale, USN 10. Maj Gen Smedley D. Butler, USMC 11. VADM Joel T. Boone, USN 12. Maj Richard I. Bong, USAAF 13. RADM Eugene B. Fluckey, USN 14. Gen Raymond G. Davis, USMC 15. Col George E. Day, USAF 16. Col George A. Davis, USAF 17. PO1 James E. Williams, USN 18. Col Leo K. Thorsness, USAF 19. VADM Lawson P. Ramage, USN 20. LTC Raymond Harvey, USA 21. MajGen James L. Day, USMC 22. LCDR John C. McCloy, USN 23. Col Gordon Johnston, USA 24. Capt Joe R. Hooper, USA 25. Maj Gen Merritt A. Edson, USMC 26. BGen Herman H. Hanneken, USMC 27. Maj Audie L. Murphy, USA 28. Col Lloyd L. Burke, USA 29. Col Lewis L. Millett, USA 30. CAPT David McCampbell, USN 31. Col James E. Swett, USMC 32. CPL John H. Pruitt, USMC 33. Maj Louis Cukela, USMC 34. RADM Richard E. Byrd, USN 35. LTC Matt L. Urban, USA 36. MG Patrick H. Brady, USA 37. MG William F. Dean, USA 38. Gen James H. Doolittle, 39. Col Neel E. Kearby, USAAF 40. MajGen Wendell C. Neville, USMC 41. ADM Jonas H. Ingram, USN 42. 2d Lt Frank Luke, Jr., USAAS 43. Sgt Matej Kocak, USMC 44. Gen Leon W. Johnson, USAF 45. 1stLt Henry L. Hulbert, USMC 46. MG William J. Donovan, USA 47. CDR Howard W. Gilmore, USN 48. LtCol Kenneth A. Walsh, USMC 49. MG Frank D. Baldwin, USA 50. CM John L.M. Cooper, USN Top 50 Most Highly Decorated regardless of highest decoration 1. GA Douglas MacArthur, USA 2. Col David H. Hackworth, USA 3. Col Edward V. Rickenbacker, USAAS 4. BG John T. Corley, USA 5. VADM John D. Bulkeley, USN 6. CDR Samuel D. Dealey, USN 7. SgtMaj Daniel J. Daly, USMC 8. Col James H. Kasler, USAF 9. LtGen Lewis B. Puller, USMC 10. Gen John C. Meyer, USAF 11. Col David C. Schilling, USAF 12. Col Robert L. Howard, USA 13. Gen James A. Van Fleet, USA 14. RADM Richard H. O'Kane, USN 15. Gen William E. DePuy, USA 16. Col Francis S. Gabreski, USAF 17. Maj Thomas B. McGuire, Jr., USAAF 18. VADM James B. Stockdale, USN 19. Col James C. Harding, USAF 20. MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC 21. VADM Joel T. Boone, USN 22. Maj Gen Frank O. Hunter, USAAF 23. Gen John R. Deane, Jr., USA 24. Col Ralph S. Parr, Jr., USAF 25. RADM Roy M. Davenport, USN 26. Maj Richard I. Bong, USAAF 27. RADM James B. Linder, USN 28. Gen Barry R. McCaffrey, USA 29. Maj Gen Robert M. White, USAF 30. RADM Eugene B. Fluckey, USN 31. Gen Raymond G. Davis, USMC 32. Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF 33. Gen Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., USA 34. Brig Gen R. Stephen Ritchie, USAF 35. Col George E. Day, USAF 36. Col George A. Davis, USAF 37. Col William T. Whisner, USAF 38. Lt Gen John P. Flynn, USAF 39. Brig Gen Robin Olds, USAF 40. Gen H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA 41. PO1 James E. Williams, USN 42. ADM Bernard A. Clarey, USN 43. Col Leo K. Thorsness, USAF 44. Col Donald J.M. Blakeslee, USAF 45. VADM Lawson P. Ramage, USN 46. Maj Gen Frederick C. Blesse, USAF 47. Gen Lemuel C. Sheperd, Jr., USMC 48. Lt Gen Jay T. Robbins, USAF 49. Gen Wayne A. Downing, USA 50. Brig Gen Robinson Risner, USAF If you have any doubts, do some research on some of these folks online, and see for your self. |
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Wow, that's quite the list. A lot of famous names on it.
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You certainly have gone "above and beyond" with the information you provided. I have been researching for years, and never came across the lists you provided - where in the hell did you get those? Anyway, the term "most decorated" is pesky to define. Does it mean ALL awards and personal decorations , or just personal decorations; does it mean most decorated with your nations awards, or all nations' awards; does it mean most awards and decorations for the war the awardee participated in, or all awards before, during and after the war? Gets confusing, doesn't it? So, as stated, it's not as easily answerable as it may appear. Unfortunately, many websites specifically about a certain person, like to "toot their own horns", and I have found some info provided on them to be a "stretch of the truth". Perhaps this question, because of the many variables, may not be answerable. |
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MacArthur was ordered out by the POTUS, he was going to ignore the orders but his staff talked him out of it. |
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Are you sure that wasn't just a story to keep him from looking bad? I guess it all depends on what history book you read. "The Coldest Winter" (about Korea) was very critical of him. |
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Read that in "American Ceasar" by William Manchester, I also read "The Coldest Winter", who was a Marine in the Pacific during WWII and had a very negative impression of MacArthur. He stated in his book that MacArthur's initial impulse to ignore the orders of the POTUS was typical. The book is a very evenly presented bio. While Manchester did not like MacArthur and was critical of his initial conduct during WWII in the defense of the Phillippines, he praised his offensive against the Japanese and his stint as Military Governor of Japan after the war. He also praised his initial strategy at the beginning of the Korean War but criticizing his insisting that the Chinese would not attack. Most historians today feel that he had initially won the Korean War, but by continuing north, ignoring all the intelligence showing that the CPLA was massing on the border and the warnings sent by Mao, the Korean war ended up as a stalemate. MacArthur's greatest fault is that he was an egomaniac and felt that he was never wrong and that he did not have to obey any "temporary occupant of the White House", if he felt that he was right. He found out that he was subordinate to the POTUS, however, Harry Truman who relieved him of command essentially forcing him to retire. BTW I do feel that he should not have been awarded the MOH, but it was early in the War and the DOA and DON felt that the American people needed heros. There were other medals awarded early in the war that would not be awarded later for the same actions. Even the good guys have to use propaganda to keep the civilians fired up. |
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Dugout Doug- was awarded the MOH for the epic retreat to and defense of Corriedor- having no Navy, no Air Force, no heavy artillery (until Corriedor)and no supplies. Hell the 26 CAV had to eat their own horses, & 80% of the troops after the seige of Corriedor where deemed as not comabt capabile because due to ill-health and starvation could not carry their weapons 100 yards w/o rest stops. It was reported by numerous troops that GEN McArthur was seen during shelling and aerial attacks touring the defenses of Corriedor. He was hated by the Washington Brass during WWII for his superior attitude, and distrusted during Korea because he & his staff seemed to be oblivious to the Korean terrain and Chineese intentions. No body was ever given the MOH, they had to earn it!
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Sorry, forgot also keep in mind that there was never any love between the Marines and MacArthur- the Marines in the Philipines were the only group not to be awarded a unit citation by MacA- who said that the Marines had enough awards! They also blamed him for the number of causlities at the Chosin Reservior, and using them as the fire brigade in Pusan.
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Let me clarify the fallacy that was in some people's minds that MacArthur was trying to save his azz by leaving his men in the Philippines to fend for themselves during the grimmest days of WW2. He turned down the first order by FDR to leave since he was preoccupied with the overwhelming problems that he was facing at the time. It is also fitting to say that he repulsed several attempts by the Japanese General Homma to defeat him in the battlefields of Bataan and Corregidor. He even reserved a pistol for himself just in case,in preparation for the worst situation that he might have to face. It didn't go that far when he was ordered to leave. The order to leave came from FDR for him to organize the campaign to defeat Japan. His theater of responsibility will be the Southwest Pacific area and to defend Australia. In this he excelled with his famous leapfrog tactics that amazed any military strategist. His "Hit em where they ain't" island hopping campaign resulted in less casualties as compared to the massive frontal rushes approved by Gen. Eisenhower in the European Theater. In this he was able to save Australia, by going into an offensive that bypasses Japanese strongpoints leaving it to wither and die. One good example for this is Rabaul-garisoned by some 100,000 Japanese which he bypassed and left to wither in the vine. Do you think that he didn't earn it? Korea is another matter to be discussed. |
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I am among those who do not believe MacAthur dis not rate the Medal Of Honor for his actions in the Philippines or, for that manner, any where else he served during WWII. He simply did not meet the criteria for our nation's highest award.
He surely merited the Distinguished Service Medal. Probably numerous awards. As posted above, he was masterful in the defeat of the Japanese, brilliant in the administration of Japan and once again initially successful in Korea. But on none of those occasions was he physically, actually face to face with an armed and operational enemy intent on doing him bodily harm. I've heard that helps when someone is recommended for and awarded the Medal. In the end the award was probably a nod to his ego and fodder for the PIO's to feed the public. And it was over sixty years ago... |
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MacArthur was a *****, a Patrician, and Very Self Serving. But he was NOT a Coward. He was reccomended for the MoH for Vera Cruz in 1914. He went on trench raids carrying no weapon but a swagger stick. He was wounded twice in 1918 alone. He believed as aBrigadier to lead from the front, and didnt wear a gas mask, he wound up suffering from Resperitory problems the rest of his life for that.
At Corregidor he lived in a Topside House while most of the garrsion lived deep below in te protected tunnel complexs. During Operation Cartwheel, When touring the Airfield of an Isalnd and told Japanese still resisting at the far end of the tarmac he walked towards the Japanese not away from them. During the battle for Manila in 1945 He walked onto the balcony of his old office and was faced with a Japanese Navy Machinegun crew opposite the street from him. He stared them down, and wasnt fired upon. He ended Hazing at USMA while commandant there. As Chief of Staff he was the one who approved the introduction of the M1 Garand. He was retired from the US Army and serving as a Field Marshall in the Phillipines Army when FDR recalled him to Service in 1941 as a Major General. his Greatest errors in the 1942 campaign were these: Allowing his Air Assets to be caught on the ground by the Japanese. Ignored illegal pre war Logging in the Bataan military AO which denuded his defences of overhead concealment Allowed Thousands of refugees into the Bataan perimeter, causing instant shortages of Medical and Food Supplies Failed to ensure 19 Million tons of rice in warehouses to be transported to Bataan According to WPO-3. The plan was to hold out for 6 months when help was supposed to arrive from the USA. But FDR had a Germany First policy |
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During an attack, he hung his coat on a barbed wire entanglement. During the course of the attack, the Germans employed gas. When MacArthur retrieved his coat the next day, he was gassed from the residual on his coat. |
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MacArthur would be one of the greatest generals and leaders in history.... If he died December 6, 1941.
His actions during the Battle of the Philippines caused the greatest defeat in the history of the United States. It was due to his self-serving attitude, ignoring of subordinates who disagreed with him, lying to his superiors and inability to follow pre-war plans that the defeat happened how it did. |
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MOH AWARDED TODAY.. I KNEW THIS MAN he lived in my town and talked to me about joining before i did. He was KIA when I was in Iraq
SFC JARED C. MONTI |
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