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I am looking for an area to discuss army history
 
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This is the place to do it. Whatcha' got in mind?
 
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Sure, what do you want to talk about?
 
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Two hundred thirty two years of traditions, unimpeded by progress.
 
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Speaking of that, did you know that the modern Infantryman carries more than the Union Infantryman of the Civil War?
 
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Just found this, a yankee infantry carried away every thing he could get his hands on.and todays infantry soldier well?
 
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Does anyone do military reenactment? I did WWII for a short while, but my unit disbanded. I haven't done any for a couple years and am wanting to get back into it and looking for a new unit.
 
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Just found this, a yankee infantry carried away every thing he could get his hands on.and todays infantry soldier well?


I was reading Theodore Dodge's book Hannibal. If you know anything about Theodore Dodge, he was in the Union Army as an Infantry Private where he was injured in battle. When discussing the amount of gear a Roman Legionnaire carried, he mentioned the amount he carried in the Union Army in comparison. I don't have the exact book on hand so I can't give an exact number but it was around 60lbs. A modern infantryman carries far more than that.

Just placing my load from OSUT, which is probably far lighter than the real Battle Rattle:

IBA with SAPI plates(medium sized): 23.9 Pounds
M16A4 Rifle with M68: 8.5 Pounds
ACH (Medium) - 3.06 Pounds
Filled Camelbak - 8 pounds (we used canteens in OSUT but I am aware current soldiers used Camelbaks)

Now without a ruck, MOLLE Vest, ammunition, grenades, METT-TC required equipment we're up to 43.46 pounds. Seeing as the OSUT ruck by standards was supposed to equal 32 pounds, the weight carried by a modern infantryman far outweighs that of a Civil War infantryman.
 
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Best officer corp that ever served was all in the American/ Mexican war.

Zachary Taylor,,,Windfield Scott...Steven Kearny....His nephew Phil Kearny...R.E.Lee.
James Longstreet, US.Grant..just come up with a name,,,they were ALL there.
 
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Best officer corp that ever served was all in the American/ Mexican war.

Zachary Taylor,,,Windfield Scott...Steven Kearny....His nephew Phil Kearny...R.E.Lee.
James Longstreet, US.Grant..just come up with a name,,,they were ALL there.


Naa, WWII was the birth of the modern Army and the officer corps there was amazing, from Junior Grade to General Officers.

Dick Winter, Ronald Speirs, Omar Bradley, Courtney Hodges, Matthew Ridgeway, George Patton, James Gavin, Matthew Taylor, Norman Cota, Mark Clark, George Marshall, Audie Murphy. These men made the Army we have today.
 
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Just found this, a yankee infantry carried away every thing he could get his hands on.and todays infantry soldier well?


I was reading Theodore Dodge's book Hannibal. If you know anything about Theodore Dodge, he was in the Union Army as an Infantry Private where he was injured in battle. When discussing the amount of gear a Roman Legionnaire carried, he mentioned the amount he carried in the Union Army in comparison. I don't have the exact book on hand so I can't give an exact number but it was around 60lbs. A modern infantryman carries far more than that.

Just placing my load from OSUT, which is probably far lighter than the real Battle Rattle:

IBA with SAPI plates(medium sized): 23.9 Pounds
M16A4 Rifle with M68: 8.5 Pounds
ACH (Medium) - 3.06 Pounds
Filled Camelbak - 8 pounds (we used canteens in OSUT but I am aware current soldiers used Camelbaks)

Now without a ruck, MOLLE Vest, ammunition, grenades, METT-TC required equipment we're up to 43.46 pounds. Seeing as the OSUT ruck by standards was supposed to equal 32 pounds, the weight carried by a modern infantryman far outweighs that of a Civil War infantryman.



I was in the "light" Infantry in Vietnam, which naturally meant we carried more weight than mounted Infantry because we didn't have trucks. If it was something we needed, it had to be on our backs.

During the dry season, my combat load was well over 100 lbs and I was young enough to carry it without too much trouble.

I carried the M-60 machinegun (roughly 25 lbs), 600 rounds of ammo (roughly 25 lbs), 3 gallons of water (roughly 21 lbs), a case of C-rats (roughly 25 lbs), plus my bedroll, machete, ammo box of personal junk, the ruck itself, a steel pot and a bag of "world food" which probably weighed in at 10 lbs or so.

Of course, all this was right after re-supply, which we got every 4 days or so, and the weight fell off as time went by.
 
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Just found this, a yankee infantry carried away every thing he could get his hands on.and todays infantry soldier well?


Today's Infantry soldier can't get a paper clip from Saddam's palace through customs.
 
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