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I consider child rapists worse than murderers. But the Supreme Court has just ruled that execution is "reserved for murderers".

So child rapists can go out and rape dozens of children and all you can do is put them in prison and feed them for the rest of their lives. Mad
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Wednesday that child rapists cannot be executed, concluding capital punishment is reserved for murderers.

The ruling stemmed from the case of Patrick Kennedy, who has been on Louisiana's death row since 2003, when he was sentenced to be executed for raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion that "evolving standards of decency" in the United States forbid capital punishment for any crime other than murder. Execution of Patrick Kennedy, the justices ruled, would be unconstitutional.

Patrick Kennedy, 43, would have been the first convicted rapist in 44 years to be executed in a case in which the victim was not killed.

Kennedy was convicted of sexually assaulting his stepdaughter in her bed. The attack caused internal injuries and bleeding to the child, requiring extensive surgery, as well as severe emotional trauma, Louisiana prosecutors said.
Those voting to let this child rapists off were: Anthony Kennedy, Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.
 
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i can't say i completely agree with the courts either.

to me there is nothing more evil than harming a child.

especially in this manner where you have scarred a child for life. she may never be able to have children of her own. she may never want to be around another man. she could have severe mental and emotional issues. not a day will go by where she won't feel the pain this piece of s*** caused her.

i have always told my wife that if anything happened to our daughter, i would go to prison because i would kill the motherf***** responsible.

i wouldn't even ask for a trial. i'd plead guilty and refuse a public defender to avoid creating any more of a financial burden on the state.
 
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The liberal-agenda driven SCOTUS has been making some very bad decisions lately...


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The liberal-agenda driven SCOTUS has been making some very bad decisions lately...

Uh, hey Top, the supreme court has been conservative-dominated since 2006.. Confused
 
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Ips we agree on something! Slow torture would be my preferred method.
 
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i say if they have to live, then throw them into gen pop so they can be forced to toss the salad.
 
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Uh, hey Top, the supreme court has been conservative-dominated since 2006..
Perhaps is some general sense but I believe if you check, you will find 4 of the 5 to be liberals. Only Kennedy leans right, I believe.

My problem with this is that the majority opinion said that execution was "reserved for murderers". So, if a serial child rapist is caught after raping and torturing 20 small children, he's ineligible for the death penalty.

There needs to be flexibility in the law to allow for punishment to fit the crime. This black and white, "if you don't kill them, you can't be executed" is far to liberal for me.

Example:

Case 1: A person gets drunk and kills a police officer. He can be executed.

Case 2: A person rapes and tortures 10 small children. We have to give him room and board, feed him for the rest of his life and give him a TV and cell phone

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but even then, it's not enough. the only way they can attempt to repay the debt is to cease to exist.

even the "eye for an eye" theory doesn't do enough.

a rapist getting raped won't help the victim.
 
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Originally posted by Kegler300:
The liberal-agenda driven SCOTUS has been making some very bad decisions lately...

Uh, hey Top, the supreme court has been conservative-dominated since 2006.. Confused


I was referring to their left-leaning, "liberal-agenda," not their political affiliation.


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I feel since the supreme court wont protect our children lets at least let them have to go to general population in the prison system and I guarantee you/me the problem will be taken care of!
Let them scums of the earth live in fear and sweat and ask themselves daily when am I gonna die.
 
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i have always told my wife that if anything happened to our daughter, i would go to prison because i would kill the motherf***** responsible.

i wouldn't even ask for a trial. i'd plead guilty and refuse a public defender to avoid creating any more of a financial burden on the state.



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Double tap,,,Guilty Sir

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i say if they have to live, then throw them into gen pop so they can be forced to toss the salad.


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After castration they could be of more use to the other inmates, and catch as it were.
 
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evolving standards of decency" in the United States



That says it all...evolving morals....gotta think that one makes anything legal if ya wait long enough.

Doesn't this say, you can kill your main witness if that witness is a child and get no more penalty than simple rape/abuse of a child, not murder?
 
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It's not often that I agree with you Ips, but on this one we agree completely.
 
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"But the Supreme Court has just ruled that execution is "reserved for murderers"."

Where is that exactly in the Constitution?

The Constitution left it to Congress to determine the punishment for Treason. If Congress determined the death penalty appropriate it is lawful. The only thing taken off the table was punishment or penalty to the descendants or family of a traitor.

Otherwise the Constitution says zero about what the death penalty can or cannot be used for.
 
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evolving standards of decency" in the United States



That says it all...evolving morals....gotta think that one makes anything legal if ya wait long enough.

Doesn't this say, you can kill your main witness if that witness is a child and get no more penalty than simple rape/abuse of a child, not murder?


I know, we are on such a downward slope; outlawing slavery and treating women as equals. We sure have regressed quite a bit.

No, it says that the state cannot kill you unless you kill the child. About the only positive thing is that it gives the scum some minor incentive to keep the kid alive.

I agree that this is judicial activism at its worst. Death is a valid penalty according to the USSC. Since it is a valid penalty it is up to the legislature to determine when it should be imposed.

I cannot understand how the same court that took such a constructionalist view on emminant domain took this view on exterminating vermin.
 
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The way I understand it was that a lot of rapes of children involve relatives of the victim. If the rapist were to be sent to the death chamber, the victims mite be less inclined to report the crime if a relative mite be put to death for the crime... Just my take on it, but I also agree a bullet between the eyes is a lot cheaper and more direct...
 
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I know, we are on such a downward slope; outlawing slavery and treating women as equals. We sure have regressed quite a bit.



Please...There are still these things happening even in todays Liberaly spinned world/USA!
 
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While my gut feeling leads me to agree with most of what has been said here, I wonder what the principle is behind the suitability or proportionality of punishment. Is punishment supposed to be a deterrent? Is it supposed to "pay back" those injured or society? Is it supposed to correct the disorder in the criminal? Or in extreme cases is it for the purpose of removing the offender from society?
While I don't see what the constitution has to do with which punishments fit which crimes, I think that we have to understand what the purpose of our corrective system is before we can make an informed decision.
 
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I agree with the court....
no execution, but life in hard time with no hope of parole...
 
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