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Palin ribbed Obama for Democratic losses in New Jersey and Virginia governor's races last fall and in a Massachusetts Senate race last month, saying: "When you're 0-3 you'd better stop lecturing and start listening."

Never has a truer statement been made...

Definately one of the smarter thing I've heard her say!!!

It was a smart message, I am sure that many demos are taking it to heart. There is I believe an excepton, the POUS doesn't seem to take any advice , based on his latest comments.
Lets hope that this continues....

Aren't the Dems actually 1-3, they did win that seat in New York.

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Originally posted by TJIB:
Definately one of the smarter thing I've heard her say!!!

from yo' sentence structure...you beez mo' smarter...??

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Aren't the Dems actually 1-3, they did win that seat in New York.

Temporarily at most!

Palin.... the teapot scurge. Wonder if she had to refer to the crib notes written on her hand to remember where the elections took place.

All that she will do if she trys to reenter the political scene is split an already devided Republican base. This in turn will ensure the current administration remains in power. Pray she decides to stay at home.

You are right George Holy. She needs a lot of work in speech giving. She read too much. But at least it wasn't from a tele-prompter.
A Margaret Thatcher, etc. she is not.
I hate to say this, but Hill the Arkie would beat her in speech giving one on one. That's scary.
I hope she stays on the sidelines stirring up the tea party and forcing REAL republicans and independents to come out fighting to send Reid, Pelosi,etc. back to the left coast.
Also, Dick Durbin, another flaming lib from Illinois is to be the campaign manager for Gianoullias (sp?)for the Senate seat from Illinois.
Blago's trial is supposed to come up this summer.I'm hoping the 'fall out' will go all the way to the White House. Remember, Nobama is a product of the Chicago machine. They play dirty. Rahm Emmanuel his C of Staff is dirty.
So is the Pres. Example: the Rezko affair.
Sing Blago Sing.

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Originally posted by hockeybear:

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Originally posted by TJIB:
Definately one of the smarter thing I've heard her say!!!

from yo' sentence structure...you beez mo' smarter...??

Wow, so I forgot an s at the end of a word. Aren't we cynical and judgemental?????

I agree, if she put's her name in the hat for any thing, what ever ticket it is, it's doomed!!! Every interview I've seen her in has been a disaster from a speaking ability stand point. I think that thing that will hurt her more than any thing is the fact that she stepped down as Governor in the middle of her term. Some thing seems awefully fishy about that to me???

As far as the Dems being 1-3, the race in NY would make it 1-4 if you count it. And that was more for a distric, kinda minor in my opinion. The 0-3 is directed at the Virginia and NJ Governor races going to the Republicans along withe the latest senate special election in Mass going to Brown. The NY thing was weird to begin with. The Republican candidate practically handed that to the Dems. If you looked at her record though, she was a very progressive Republican to begin with. You were getting a progressive no matter who took that election unless the Independent would have upset it. He was the only solid choice in my opinion. I hope she never plans to get into politics again!!!

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But at least it wasn't from a tele-prompter.

But can you imagine these threads if Obama had done the same as Palin? i. e. Read notes from the palm of his hand?

ipscone would be having orgasims.

I guess it could be explained by both camps they got it off their "Palm device."

Beat ya to it ipscone!

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I agree, if she put's her name in the hat for any thing, what ever ticket it is, it's doomed!!!

I doubt that very seriously. Remember, we have seen Obama "with no clothes" and that political picture is ugly. I'm thinking it's mostly liberals who will be making the claim you are suggesting.

Come election time, if she is the Republican nominee, she will have huge support... otherwise, she wouldn't be the nominee. It's just a question of having a platform that "independents" will support. Who carries that banner is irrelevant.

So you think that people are going to forget that she stepped down from Governor in the middle of her term? I'm sorry, but that alone is going to kill the ticket. As far as support, she didn't have any when they put her on the Mcain ticket. Nobody knew who she even was, and then she opened her mouth outside of the convention. Don't get me wrong, the speach at the convention last election was great. But once she was put onthe spot, away from the notes and teleprompters, she folded like a deck of cards. Sorry, she doesn't have the "IT" factor im my opinion.

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So you think that people are going to forget that she stepped down from Governor in the middle of her term?

Quite frankly, that was a wise thing and proper thing to do. I wish EVERY politician would step down, if they had higher aspirations of office. In fact, I think it ought to be a requirement. It is disingenuous to hold a seat that you know you will be leaving.

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I'm sorry, but that alone is going to kill the ticket.

Hardly! Almost no one will care about that. I'm sure liberals will keep bringing up everything they can but the most important thing for Republicans and Independents will be to get Obama out of office.

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Originally posted by LtColt_45:

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Palin ribbed Obama for Democratic losses in New Jersey and Virginia governor's races last fall and in a Massachusetts Senate race last month, saying: "When you're 0-3 you'd better stop lecturing and start listening."

Never has a truer statement been made...

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Originally posted by ipscone:

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So you think that people are going to forget that she stepped down from Governor in the middle of her term?

Quite frankly, that was a wise thing and proper thing to do. I wish EVERY politician would step down, if they had higher aspirations of office. In fact, I think it ought to be a requirement. It is disingenuous to hold a seat that you know you will be leaving.

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I'm sorry, but that alone is going to kill the ticket.

Hardly! Almost no one will care about that. I'm sure liberals will keep bringing up everything they can but the most important thing for Republicans and Independents will be to get Obama out of office.

Well, let's take this at face value. What has she done in the political arena since she stepped down? And please explain how this was a "wise" decision when it was done in the middle of a term? I could see not running for re-election after her term was complete, but to step down in the middle of a term leaves me wondering what the true motive was. One could argue that she should see her term to the end and do as much good as possible for the state of Alaska. Why is that a liberal idea? And I'm far from a liberal, so I'm not sure why that's being brought up over and over again. Again, what higher apirations has she been working towards. Other than speaking at a few events? Does she have a campaign going for a seat in the Senate or House? What's current right now that couldn't have waited until her term was completed?

I do agree that Obama needs to go, but I don't quite follow you on the Palin idea. I just don't get what makes her so great when she was in the middle of some controversies and then all of a sudden stepped down and it all went away. Maybe that's what she was trying to protect?

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What has she done in the political arena since she stepped down? And please explain how this was a "wise" decision when it was done in the middle of a term? I could see not running for re-election after her term was complete, but to step down in the middle of a term leaves me wondering what the true motive was.

You wonder what the "motive" was and "discount" anything reasonable.

• Had she just not run, at the end of her term, there would have been a D and an R running on equal ground. By resigning, she gave the Republican the chance to be the incumbent. We have seen Democrats pull this at least 2 or 3 times so far this year. It's a wise political stragegy.
  
• Plus, she knew (I knew and most smart people knew) she would be running again in 2012. That being the case, every decision would have been 2nd guessed. Democrats would have worked against her in the state legislature. By stepping down, she gave Alaska a better chance at seeing important legislation passed, base on merits and now who was pushing it. She showed her concern for Alaska was sincere.
  
• And along with the point above, it took away the ability of Democrats to 2nd guess her
  
• Finally, by stepping down, knowing she'd be running in 2012, it gave her complete freedom to campaign on conservative causes, raise money, and set the tone for 2012. She couldn't have done that as governor

A lot of people will complain about Palin. But when push comes to shove, she is still more experienced than Obama and will be far and away preferable over Obama's socialist agenda.

Anyone who would prefer to see Obama again, over Palin winning or even considering Palin, has questionable motives. Most in that category are Democrats. We will be hearing from Sarah Palin for 2 more years. If she hasn't blown herself out of contention, then she will be a serious candidate.

Remember, in my opinion and the opinion of many, Obama won in 2008 NOT because Palin was on the ticket but

• Obama was the Political Correct candidate
  
• And McCain ran a bad campaign.

Palin was just the excuse but was not the real cause. Had McCain actually had a good campaign message and knew the first thing about debating, and won, his selection of Palin would have gone down as the slickest strategy in history.

I didn't discount any thing reasonable. You made some very good points that I hadn't heard before. I appreciate that. But you don't have to get rude about it!!! After seeing your point of view, it makes sense. All I was asking for was some clarification. I thought Marines had thicker skin than this???

I believe half the people on this thread would re-elect Obama before voting for Palin?

She not only talks like us, But she actually walks the walk! A true gun owning conservative, and most on this forum would throw her under the bus, for someone "Slicker", (Like McCain, maybe?)

Boy, am I in the wrong camp!

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Originally posted by FJF0311:
I believe half the people on this thread would re-elect Obama before voting for Palin?

She not only talks like us, But she actually walks the walk! A true gun owning conservative, and most on this forum would throw her under the bus, for someone "Slicker", (Like McCain, maybe?)

Boy, am I in the wrong camp!

NOT ME...she's my vote for anything until someone better shows up.
certainly NOT guv dingleberry from arkansas.
don't see anyone else so far....

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I thought Marines had thicker skin than this???

I gave you my "Marine" answer. Seems to me you are the one with the thin skin. Some are probably thinking, "you are lucky he didn't realize you aren't a Marine".

Just messin' with ya a bit ipscone!!! I was defending myself against the ""discount" any thing reasonable" comment. I never discounted any thing, just asking for clarification to your stance. Believe me, if there's one thing the Corps gave me, it was thicker skin. My dad had a head start on the D.I's though!!!

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A lot of people will complain about Palin. But when push comes to shove, she is still more experienced than Obama

I'm pushing and shoving....

Can you quantify that statement? Help me out here.

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Can you quantify that statement? Help me out here.

Yes! She's done more than ZERO. She hasn't one time bad-mouthed the U.S. to other countries (i.e. hasn't one time demonstrated bad foreign policy). She hasn't denied the existence of muslim terrorists in the attacks that have been made against use (demonstrates experience in recognizing terrorist threats). She hasn't made appointment after appointment of people who have cheated on their taxes (demonstrates proper vetting practices). She improved the economy of Alaska, instead of making it worse, as Obama has done. And she can still see Russia from Alaska. Obama missed that on his visit to our 57 states. All and all that demonstrates much more experience than Obama. Shall I go on?

If this were golf and McCain/Palin were given a mulligan, we would have McCain as president and Obama would still be a Senator.

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Shall I go on?

Yes...those are pretty poor examples in my opinion.

Those examples are not measurable "Palin experiences" because you used Obama as the subject of the experience versus quantifying Palins experience to hold national public office.

But I will help...

She was Governor of the largest state in the union...

You are the one saying she has more experience...so show us.

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Shall I go on?

Yes...those are pretty poor examples in my opinion.

Those examples are not measurable "Palin experiences" because you used Obama as the subject of the experience versus quantifying Palins experience to hold national public office.

"Measurable?" Are you kidding? That is another thing Palin has over Obama. Sarah Palin can count.

And if we had to characterize her and his accomplishments by ideology...

Palin is about as conservative as one can get
Obama is about as socialist as one can get

ENOUGH SAID! (in my opinion)

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I would rather see her as a Senator or House rep to get experience. WHile she is certainly shaped by her experiences, she needs to form and shape her worldview on the federal government a little more that just saying big government is wrong and using Ronald Reagan quotes.

I would support her with that!

But when you need notes from the hand...any good speaker with class, at a level of $549 a plate, would use notecards which are entirely appropriate.

While that is certainly not a deal killer for many, it jsut shows her lack of basic preparedness. She may know a lot more to what she is leading on. I am not her personal staffer.

With that said, her capability for taking care of business not only in Washington, but on the world stage is still in question with me.

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Those examples are not measurable "Palin experiences" because you used Obama as the subject of the experience versus quantifying Palins experience to hold national public office.

I guess you have a point there...

She's only been the Governor of ONE state.

Obama's been to all 57 states!

Maybe he meant the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and the 5 other territories or possessions...Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, US VI, Northern Mariana Islands?

lol...but that is only 56! Oh wait..Canada!

hehe, yeah, that was a boneheaded phrase that I will continue to chastize him for!

And they say Bush was bad. This guy's only been in a year!!!