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Vets to McCain: Back New GI Bill

Make your own conclusions.

Sen McCain on vet issues.

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze

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"When I enlisted, I was under the impression that my college would be paid for, that I would have everything taken care of,"...

Welcome to the new military where you're on your own. I thought the same thing about medical benefits at retirement when I enlisted...

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Welcome to the new military where you're on your own. I thought the same thing about medical benefits at retirement when I enlisted...

kegler, what 'med things' are they NOT looking after???

About half way down is his speech to the VFW yesterday.

He Talks a little about health care issues.

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze

When I enlisted, the presumption back then was if you retired from the military, you would continue to receive free health care for you and your family. Right now, I pay well over $100.00 a month for that "free" health care. Now, the $100.00 is cheap in comparison to other health care programs, but it's not free.

Commissary and exchange benefits - Walmart's even cheaper.

Gas on base - nope; cheaper in town.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
When I enlisted, the presumption back then was if you retired from the military, you would continue to receive free health care for you and your family. Right now, I pay well over $100.00 a month for that "free" health care. Now, the $100.00 is cheap in comparison to other health care programs, but it's not free.

Commissary and exchange benefits - Walmart's even cheaper.

Gas on base - nope; cheaper in town.

got it. i do about the same and although not free, i can't beitch about it with the THOUSANDS in meds that i'm not paying.
now with medicare and the naval hosp portsmouth, i pay ZERO when i'm hospitalized and really feel for those w/o insurance.

but i also don't feel for those that could have done the same and ret from the military.

Looking back, I really do believe they were promising us a rose garden. Unfortunately all we've got is crabgrass.

McCain can promise the moon, but the VA is a total different animal, it's controlled by administrators and bean counters.

I used the sick bay 4 times while in, 1.in boot camp check in, 2.when I busted my head on a security drill on a overhead, 3.for clap and 4.when I checked out of the Marines.
I have run into dudes(Army) that were in the same time as I or a little after that say they had 60-70 pages of medical crap....WTF? When did they f'n train?

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Looking back, I really do believe they were promising us a rose garden. Unfortunately all we've got is crabgrass.

ROFLMAO.....Words os wisdom.

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Looking back, I really do believe they were promising us a rose garden.

Come on, you have that huge stash of jeep parts, Alice packs, field jackets and gear ya ripped off from the boots during your time in, don'tcha? Time to cash it out....eh>

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Unfortunately all we've got is crabgrass.

And the grubs and mole crickets are eating away at that!

My take on this is this is not a "veterans group" but a "group of liberals, who happen to be veterans". Wesley Clark is entirely about politics and has been a Bush basher from the getgo.

I wouldn't trust anything Clark was pushing, unless it was "pushing Obama and Hillary off a short pier".

This article is NOT about veterans. This article is about Democratic politics and nothing more.

You will note:

• Almost every use of Republican was negative
  
• Almost every use of Democrat was positive
  
• They call it a bi-partisan bill but only have 51 senators. If it was truely bi-partisan, they'd have near 100 senators. I suspect if you look at the supporters, you will find 90+% to be Democrats. That is not bi-partisan. Likely they have not much more than 1 Republican co-sponsor and call that bi-partisan
  
• And finally, not EVERYTHING that has veteran in it is a good bill.

This is not an article about a bill for "veterans" this is an article about "democrat politicing". They will try to spin this as McCain doesn't support veterans, just as the subject of this thread is trying to do.

If anyone reads an article like this, and tries to determine if McCain supports veterans or not, they are sheep. Anyone think Obama and Clinton support veterans more than McCain? That is a no-brainer. One must look at what is in the bill... the pros and cons of the bill... and then decide if the bill is good or bad. I have NEVER known liberals to vote for any bill that "actually" supports veterans.

I don't know what's in the bill. Do you? Or do you just know what Democrats tell you is in it? Get the bill, read it, read the pros and cons and then decide. DON'T base your opinion on a liberal news story.

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Get the bill, read it, read the pros and cons and then decide. DON'T base your opinion on a liberal news story.

lol didn't you do this with some of your stories....this has been my modus operandi all along...you are right, if people believe this they are sheep! I'm also glad Gunny JDIrwin posted "McCains issues page"!

I think in my heart McCain supports vets....I havent looked into his voting record. I just reposted it.

Also, before I get e-bashed for posting something liek this...I said:

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Make your own conclusions.

See how easy it is to spin ips?

I like McCain more than the O or Billary...

I made my point about spin....please move to politics.

The new GI Bill they are proposing is certainly good for veterans. It is silly to argue that it wouldn't be.

The question is whether or not it is good for the military. The argument many are making against it is that it will hurt retention at a time when we can least afford it. There is a fear that it will cause a certain percentage of servicemembers who would have otherwise stayed in to save more money for college would go ahead and EAS. In my opinion it is an accurate assessment.

As much as I would like to see this bill passed, I feel that it would cause the military in general, and the Army specifically, to have to lower their standards even more. We are already trying to increase the size of our Army and Marines, and if you add lower retention due to this bill to that, there will be even more CAT IV's running around.

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Originally posted by GyJDIrwin:
Sen McCain on vet issues.

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze

At <www.veteransforcommonsense.org> it shows how Sen. McCain has voted on issues related to Active, Reserve, National Guard, Veterans, Retirees and Disabled Veterans.
The articles state what he has done, unlike a campaign blurb that makes it appear that because he is a Veteran he supports Veterans issues.
In my reading of the site above I would have to state that, no, he does not support Veterans. That is my opinion.
There are many more (Google) sites that cover the subject and may assist those that are interested to answer the question, "Does McCain support veterans?" Semper Fidelis. Blackcoat.

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The articles state what he has done, unlike a campaign blurb that makes it appear that because he is a Veteran he supports Veterans issues.

ANYONE who believes Obama or Clinton support veterans more than McCain, needs to stand a little further away from the MicroWave.

To say how one candidate stands on issues, while ignoring how the other's stand is

• Disingenouus
  
• Politics as ususal

One cannot take the subject of a bill and say if you vote against it, you are against whatever the subject of the bill is. That's how liberals play the game but not intelligent people. NOT ALL bills that have veteran in the title, is a good bill. You can bet if liberals vote on a veteran bill, it's a bad bill.

Let me give a couple of examples of hypocrisy and disingenuousness:

S.Amdt. 3704 to H.R. 4939McCain (nay), Obama (nay), Clinton (nay)
The way it's pitched..."John McCain voted AGAINST an amendment providing $20 billion to the VA’s medical facilities"

But the reality is all 3 voted against it. But liberals try to pitch it like only McCain's against it.

Diningenuous!

S.Amdt. 1218 to S.Amdt. 1214 to H.R. 2620
Clinton (nay), McCain (yea), Obama wasn't around then.
The way it was pitched, "John McCain voted AGAINST a $650 million increase in veterans’ medical care funding". In fact, he voted for the bill.

See McCain voted for the bill but Clinton voted against the bill but liberals just say, "John McCain voted AGAINST increasing VA funding by $1.5 billion by closing corporate loopholes"

Disingenuous! And a lie. McCain voted for the bill.

Like I said, you have to look a more than if the bill has "veteran" in it, to see if it's a good bill and why or why not.

McCain may not vote for EVERY veteran bill that comes along, but except in the past year or so (for political hay) Clinton and Obama NEVER do.

The other thing to remember is that this is an election year. The election is going to be between a veteran (McCain) and one of the two most liberal (yet to be decided who) non-veterans. The one's yelling the most about how McCain is not for veterans, will be liberals. That is how they divert from the fact that neither of the most liberal candidates are veterans NOR support veterans. Liberals do NOT support veterans so it's moot to make comments about McCain. It's a no-brainer to understand which of the candidates better support veterans.

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Originally posted by ipscone:

[QUOTE]The articles state what he has done, unlike a campaign blurb that makes it appear that because he is a Veteran he supports Veterans issues. Blackcoat

ANYONE who believes Obama or Clinton support veterans more than McCain, needs to stand a little further away from the MicroWave.

To say how one candidate stands on issues, while ignoring how the other's stand is [LIST]

Disingenouus

Politics as ususal QUOTE]
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ipscone, ipscone, ipscone...My post was directly related to the subject matter of the blog, i.e., "Does McCain Support Veterans?" Do I recall correctly when "someone" would stop the press and state to us "Stay on topic?"
If you are going to post a rebuttal at the very least "Stay on the topic."

You want to discuss other candidates in comparison to McCain perhaps we may need to change the title of the blog. All that I posted is related to the question and the subject of the question, Senator McCain.

There is a huge difference between standing to close to the microwave and being inside of the MF.
"Disingenuous" and "Politics as (ususal...sic))usual." may fit you somewhat better than it fits me.
Whatever "hat" you were wearing when you responded to my post is the manner in which I am responding to your post. Take your pick. Have a good day. Semper Fidelis. Blackcoat.

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ipscone, ipscone, ipscone...My post was directly related to the subject matter of the blog, i.e., "Does McCain Support Veterans?"

And my post was directed at the article; not you.

And, when a person, group or article, is making commentary about one candidate, on a particular subject, and ignoring the position on other candidates, who have a worse position (on that subject), it suggests agenda.

Have a good day. Semper Fidelis. Mike

PS: Just as an exercize for others. Do you think any group who criticizes McCain about his support for veterans or the military, but ignores the fact that Obama and Clinton support them even less, is being "honest" or "political"?

Bottomline: McCain will be far better for America's security, the military and veterans than Obama and Clinton put together. Not only will he be better, Obama and Clinton will actually be harmful to them, in my opinion.

This is just another reason why everyone should IMHO, vote for Barack in the upcoming November elections. I am starting to sincerely believe that a Majority of the members of the Republican party are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrits. So, in essence, the Republicans are more than willing to send our guys off to war, but when they get back they are basically saying **** you and enjoy working measly minimum wage jobs for the rest of your life!

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Originally posted by WingVet:
This is just another reason why everyone should IMHO, vote for Barack in the upcoming November elections. I am starting to sincerely believe that a Majority of the members of the Republican party are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrits. So, in essence, the Republicans are more than willing to send our guys off to war, but when they get back they are basically saying **** you and enjoy working measly minimum wage jobs for the rest of your life!

I just have too agree with this post...Ips it isn't about left/right..its about health care....

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Originally posted by DCT435:

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Originally posted by WingVet:
This is just another reason why everyone should IMHO, vote for Barack in the upcoming November elections. I am starting to sincerely believe that a Majority of the members of the Republican party are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrits. So, in essence, the Republicans are more than willing to send our guys off to war, but when they get back they are basically saying **** you and enjoy working measly minimum wage jobs for the rest of your life!

I just have too agree with this post...Ips it isn't about left/right..its about health care....

Vet's health care suck! The only way we (vet's) are ever going to change that is to stand together and speek out. Hate to say this, but"IT AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN"

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze