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Received RE-4 and JPD code General Under Honorable Conditions
Refused treatment on Sept 4th 2003.
I also researched MILLPERSMAN 1910-8 and discovered it is more or less a narrative description for separation. I feel as-though mine was based on opinion which in the script that the Officer wrote it was clearly opinion and not based on performance what so ever. I was denied legal counsel due to the fact I couldn’t afford it and I had to pay out of pocket. In my evaluation report and counseling record I was only graded on 2 out of 7 performance traits which I feel my have affected my discharge aswell.
Evaluation and counseling record also pre-separation done Sept 15 2003.
Commanding officer discharged on Sept 17 2003.
Why was I not given administrative board?
No alcohol incident and I went to psychologist on my own accord.
Alcohol was not the problem as was presumed.
When asked how much I drink it wasn’t considerably that much.
I had just turned 21 as well. (Probably reason why alcohol was presumed)
The psychologist said it may be alcohol related so I was sent to Dapa and when they offered me treatment I denied it on the basis that alcohol was not the problem I was originally seeking help for. I was dropped from aviation warfare school for being late multiple times. I accept responsibility for my tardiness and the repercussions were clear my removal from school. I was informed by the instructors that I would be shipped out to the fleet which I was unexpectedly pleased about. I ended up waiting for orders and decided to go to the psychologist to figure out the issues that I was dealing with and try to better myself in my transition. The entire time I talked to the Psychologist we talked about alcohol brief in comparison to other issues. I figured I would check out the rehabilitation program to see if they could offer help even though I was skeptical about it because of my knowledge of the underlying problem... I didn’t know I was committing to the end of my naval career. I currently do not have an alcohol problem and I have drunk in the past but it has never under any circumstances affected my job or my life. Alcohol was not my problem in “A” school it was the fact that I was stationed at a base in my hometown, a base which I grew up on as a military dependent. I was never given the chance to plead my case and I believe in these circumstances I slipped through the cracks relating to Military Justice. The fact remains the crowd I joined the Military to escape ended up helping me blow it in the end. I was hoping that someone could possibly help me with my dilemma. I regret not serving in the U.S. Navy. I always wanted to serve in the Navy coming from a third generation Navy family. I feel as though there is much that I can offer the Navy if I were given legitimate time to prove myself. Seems as though the stint I served only lasted 7 months and 3 tardies. I was hoping that someone could help me with this problem, if so you would be doing me a great service so that I could commit back to service. How can I get a code change for this problem or have it amended?
 
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Hi
The Board of Corrections of Naval Records (BCNR)
is set up to correct Navy mistakes. If you can prove (and the burdon is on you) that a mistake was made by the Navy in your discharge and RE-4.
They have the power to change it. As far as I know they are the only ones that have that power.
30% or so of the cases they see recieve some correction but that means 70% do not.
If you have a valid case, that is the route you need to take. Be advised, they are not there to second guess the command that discharged you.
They are not there to decide to maybe give you a second chance. They are there to correct mistakes made by the Navy.

Shockey
 
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Let an attorney that specializes in this handle it, I reccomend William Cassara, type his name in your search engine and look at his web page.
It takes an attorney to handle this, The Navy is notorious for handed out RE-4'S, CONUSLT WITH CASSARA!
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Originally posted by 17998960:
Received RE-4 and JPD code General Under Honorable Conditions
Refused treatment on Sept 4th 2003.
I also researched MILLPERSMAN 1910-8 and discovered it is more or less a narrative description for separation. I feel as-though mine was based on opinion which in the script that the Officer wrote it was clearly opinion and not based on performance what so ever. I was denied legal counsel due to the fact I couldn’t afford it and I had to pay out of pocket. In my evaluation report and counseling record I was only graded on 2 out of 7 performance traits which I feel my have affected my discharge aswell.
Evaluation and counseling record also pre-separation done Sept 15 2003.
Commanding officer discharged on Sept 17 2003.
Why was I not given administrative board?
No alcohol incident and I went to psychologist on my own accord.
Alcohol was not the problem as was presumed.
When asked how much I drink it wasn’t considerably that much.
I had just turned 21 as well. (Probably reason why alcohol was presumed)
The psychologist said it may be alcohol related so I was sent to Dapa and when they offered me treatment I denied it on the basis that alcohol was not the problem I was originally seeking help for. I was dropped from aviation warfare school for being late multiple times. I accept responsibility for my tardiness and the repercussions were clear my removal from school. I was informed by the instructors that I would be shipped out to the fleet which I was unexpectedly pleased about. I ended up waiting for orders and decided to go to the psychologist to figure out the issues that I was dealing with and try to better myself in my transition. The entire time I talked to the Psychologist we talked about alcohol brief in comparison to other issues. I figured I would check out the rehabilitation program to see if they could offer help even though I was skeptical about it because of my knowledge of the underlying problem... I didn’t know I was committing to the end of my naval career. I currently do not have an alcohol problem and I have drunk in the past but it has never under any circumstances affected my job or my life. Alcohol was not my problem in “A” school it was the fact that I was stationed at a base in my hometown, a base which I grew up on as a military dependent. I was never given the chance to plead my case and I believe in these circumstances I slipped through the cracks relating to Military Justice. The fact remains the crowd I joined the Military to escape ended up helping me blow it in the end. I was hoping that someone could possibly help me with my dilemma. I regret not serving in the U.S. Navy. I always wanted to serve in the Navy coming from a third generation Navy family. I feel as though there is much that I can offer the Navy if I were given legitimate time to prove myself. Seems as though the stint I served only lasted 7 months and 3 tardies. I was hoping that someone could help me with this problem, if so you would be doing me a great service so that I could commit back to service. How can I get a code change for this problem or have it amended?
 
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Try this lady...http://www.militaryjustice.com/
maybe for info or referral. I know she is a good attorney.
 
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I was dropped from aviation warfare school for being late multiple times.


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    Look on the bright side, with an RE-4 they can't draft you.
     
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    This same exact thing happened to me .. did you ever get your code changed?
     
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    Why were you late?
     
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