The MOH is awarded for bravery above and beyond the call of duty not to fill empty slots.

Don't use the lame brain excuse 'because there soon will be none" to justify the awarding of a MOH because when it does happen, the recipient and many others might not think they earned it but was given because there was an empty position.

RE: http://www.military.com/opinio...15202,204628,00.html

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
The MOH is awarded for bravery above and beyond the call of duty not to fill empty slots.

Don't use the lame brain excuse 'because there soon will be none" to justify the awarding of a MOH because when it does happen, the recipient and many others might not think they earned it but was given because there was an empty position.

RE: http://www.military.com/opinio...15202,204628,00.html

However, the criteria should not be that the award is only given posthumously. If you look at the citations given out for silver stars and DSCs in the current wars in Afghanistan and Iraq compared to the MoH cittations from Vietnam and Korea, very little is different in the deeds. The arguement that it is now a push button war and thus, little hand to hand combat or close quarters battle like those in previous wars which led to the award of the Moh is just ludicrous. Just reading the citations of the silver stars and DSCs shows that is not the case. The problem is that we have let bureaucracy and a reverence for the Moh get to the point that the award is unattainable.

During our other conflicts, criteria for the MOH was left up to the service and their chain of command. The case of a young man who was severely wounded in Afghanistan and fell on a grenade in a HMV, thus saving his buddies, has reviewed by a team of doctors, who gave the opinion that he was probably dead already, thus no MOH! Why the Dr.s review? I have seen some pretty astonshing things done by men who were dying or shot of pieces during my career, that a Dr would probably discount. Why this time does a Dr.s review(who never served in fronyt line units) be the deciding factor in a MOH claim? Sounds like PC crap to me!!

By todays standards, we never would have heard of Audie Murphy. And that's too bad. Time to recognize our heros.

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By todays standards, we never would have heard of Audie Murphy. And that's too bad. Time to recognize our heros.

Sarcasm on: Spoken like a true "today's" modern day warrior. Sarcasm off:

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Originally posted by AirForceAggie:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
The MOH is awarded for bravery above and beyond the call of duty not to fill empty slots.

Don't use the lame brain excuse 'because there soon will be none" to justify the awarding of a MOH because when it does happen, the recipient and many others might not think they earned it but was given because there was an empty position.

RE: http://www.military.com/opinio...15202,204628,00.html

However, the criteria should not be that the award is only given posthumously.

It's not................

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It's not................

really???? then point out a live MoH recipient from this current conflict. Also, point out how people's citations for dsc and the navy cross are not recieving MoHs when similar acts have been awarded so in the past.

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It's not................

really???? then point out a live MoH recipient from this current conflict. Also, point out how people's citations for dsc and the navy cross are not recieving MoHs when similar acts have been awarded so in the past.

Look again what I quoted from your very own words. Now to answer your next comment, it is only your opinion that you feel some deserved the MOH but you are not the one making the decisions, are you? Maybe in 20,30 or 40 years they too will have their citations upgraded to the MOH. As I stated in my first post, keep harping and whinning about no living MOH recipient and when it does happen they maybe and other too might think it was awarded just to pacify you whinners.

WHILE MY TIME IN THE SERVICE HAS BEEN SPLIT INTO TWO DIFFERNT ERAS, 80/90S AND THE 2000S I HAVE SEEN MANY BRAVE ACTS BY MENA ND WOMEN WITHIN THE FORCES. NOT KNOWING ALL THE DETAILS OF VARIOULS ACTS OF BRAVERY HINDERS ALL BUT THE ONES DIRECTLY IN VIEW OF THE ACT IN QUESTION. GENERALS AND POLITICIANS CAN PLAY WITH THE TRUE ALL THEY WANT IN ORDER FOR THE OUTCOME TO MEET THEIR STANDARDS REGARDLESS OF REGULATIONS. I DO SEE, HOWEVER THOUGH, A SERIOUS LACK OF INTEL FROM THE LEADERSHIP IN THE FIELD. THERE HAVE BEEN WELL OVER A MILLION SOLDIERS PASS THRU THE MIDDLE EAST THEATRE,IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN, AND FOR ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND TO THINK THERE HAS BEEN BUT 6 TRUE ACTS OF VALOR, ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY IS TO BELIEVE WE SOLDIERS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF SELF SERVING WEAKLINGS. YES THERE IS THE ISSUE OF LOSING OUR MILITARY HEROES DUE TO ATTRITION AND AGE BUT THERE ARE REAL HEROES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, AS WE SPEAK, THAT ARE AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THE CMOH. I TRULY HOPE THAT THE PENTAGON GETS OFF THEIR COLLECT BENCH POLISHERS AND GETS BACK INTO THE GAME OF ENSURING OUR BRAVE WARRIORS WILL NOT UNREWARDED REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THEIR ACT OF VALOR.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:


It's not................

really???? then point out a live MoH recipient from this current conflict. Also, point out how people's citations for dsc and the navy cross are not recieving MoHs when similar acts have been awarded so in the past.

Look again what I quoted from your very own words. Now to answer your next comment, it is only your opinion that you feel some deserved the MOH but you are not the one making the decisions, are you? Maybe in 20,30 or 40 years they too will have their citations upgraded to the MOH. As I stated in my first post, keep harping and whinning about no living MOH recipient and when it does happen they maybe and other too might think it was awarded just to pacify you whinners.

It's hardly only my opinion when there are Congressmen and Senators who also share my opinion. It shouldn't take 30 -40 years to recognize the bravery of our soldiers and to award them what they are due. The problem is that the Moh has become politicized and the review process also looks at a person's life in addition to their deed of valor. BTW, nice of you to resort to personal attacks when you can't get your point across.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by AirForceAggie:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:


It's not................

really???? then point out a live MoH recipient from this current conflict. Also, point out how people's citations for dsc and the navy cross are not recieving MoHs when similar acts have been awarded so in the past.

Look again what I quoted from your very own words. Now to answer your next comment, it is only your opinion that you feel some deserved the MOH but you are not the one making the decisions, are you? Maybe in 20,30 or 40 years they too will have their citations upgraded to the MOH. As I stated in my first post, keep harping and whinning about no living MOH recipient and when it does happen they maybe and other too might think it was awarded just to pacify you whinners.

It's hardly only my opinion when there are Congressmen and Senators who also share my opinion. It shouldn't take 30 -40 years to recognize the bravery of our soldiers and to award them what they are due. The problem is that the Moh has become politicized and the review process also looks at a person's life in addition to their deed of valor. BTW, nice of you to resort to personal attacks when you can't get your point across.

I got my point across. When the first living MOH is awarded, you can bet your knickers that there will be more whinning because of the comments, 'well if he/she got the MOH for just doing that, then why not Joe and Jane, they did more, were more heroic' etc etc. There no pleasing anyone today, whine whine whine is the norm today, so continue whinning all you want, you're only hurting the subject.

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It's hardly only my opinion when there are Congressmen and Senators who also share my opinion. .

BTW, does the above make you feel right in your opinions because 'politicians' agree with you? If you haven't noticed, politicians don't have much intellegence or repore or respect anymore. Maybe you should become a politician if you regard politicians as your mentors.

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Originally posted by SeanRix:
By todays standards, we never would have heard of Audie Murphy. And that's too bad. Time to recognize our heros.

Sarcasm on: Spoken like a true "today's" modern day warrior. Sarcasm off:

Get the point SignalSgtWilliams: Us OIF/OEF combat veterans don't really give a ratt's arse about your sarcasm. If you have a critism about todays warrior say it clearly and I suggest you go out to one of the grunt battalions in Afghanistan right now and let then know how you feel about today's warrior. you sound like a has been to me.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by SeanRix:
By todays standards, we never would have heard of Audie Murphy. And that's too bad. Time to recognize our heros.

Sarcasm on: Spoken like a true "today's" modern day warrior. Sarcasm off:

Get the point SignalSgtWilliams: Us OIF/OEF combat veterans don't really give a ratt's arse about your sarcasm. If you have a critism about todays warrior say it clearly and I suggest you go out to one of the grunt battalions in Afghanistan right now and let then know how you feel about today's warrior. you sound like a has been to me.

I did say it clearly, to SeanRix but you're right about one thing, Been There Done That.

Todays volunteers are doing a great job, IMO but like the topic of this thread, it's seems they crave recognition. Why no MOH, why no MOH?????? It will come when the approaving authority says so and not before.

SignalSgtWilliams

Well if you been there you will know that the warriors going/returning need to know how you can relate to them and perhaps even give some helpful advice. I have just seen a few of the older veteran generation (not many, but a few), make it a point to one-up the kids coming back (you know the comments, our war was far tougher than yours, etc).