I don't smoke spice very often but every once and a while with some friends. I don't know much about the drug or how long it stays in your system or anything but, it is legal so I thought that it wouldn't be a problem. I leave in a few weeks, will I have a problem when the military drug tests me when I go to basic? I'm joining the Air Force
Do you remember the paperwork you signed. You will be asked about drug use again. You have used a mind altering drug, in violation of AF regulations. Spice may show up in the urine samples. Did you bother to think? Did you pay attention to the rules when you joined DEP? You are in the AF Inactive Reserves right now, subject to the rules and regulations on drug use.
There are many "legal" drugd that the military says "no" to. DH's last CO used to say "if they say no to it you can bet that they test for it".....proven last week here when a kid got thrown out for Spice showing up in his urine.
Are you gonna come clean with the Air Force about Spice or live a lie? Are you convinced that "legal" drugs are ok because they are "legal"...or that "legal" drugs cause as much damage and screw up your ability to work as much as any other drugs.
6/17/2010 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Air Force officials issued guidance banning the knowing use and possession of any substance, other than alcohol or tobacco, that is ingested to alter mood or function.
On June 8, the Air Force published an Air Force guidance memorandum revising Air Force Instruction 44-121, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Prevention and Treatment Program, said Lt. Col. Elizabeth L. Schuchs-Gopaul, a judge advocate with the Air Force Judge Advocate General Action Group.
The revised language makes punitive the prohibition in the current Air Force Instruction regarding the ingestion of any substance, other than alcohol or tobacco, for the purpose of altering mood or function. The possession of any intoxicating substance, if done with the intent to use in a manner that would alter mood or function, is also prohibited, she said.
The guidance cited the designer drug "spice," salvia divinorum, inhalants, household chemicals, solvents and prescription drug abuse.
Colonel Schuchs-Gopaul said the new AFI provisions are punitive. Violators will be punishable as violations of a lawful general regulation under Article 92 of the UCMJ.
"This revision is an addition to the already existing tools used by commanders to address the abuse of otherwise lawful substances such as salvia, inhalants, propellants, solvents, household chemicals, and others substances used for 'huffing,'" Colonel Schuchs-Gopaul said.
Violating this new punitive memorandum is punishable by a dishonorable discharge, confinement for two years, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, the colonel said. Enlisted members also face reduction to the lowest enlisted grade.
Bashing aside, if it's been a few weeks you should be fine. I've read that it is expensive for the military to test for Spice, but they definitely test for it. I, as well as Catherine, now know people who have been booted for using the drug.
When it comes down to the chemicals, the chemical that your brain's cannaboid receptors receive that gets you "high" is water-soluble and leaves your system quicker than fat-soluble THC.
If it's been a few weeks it won't show up.
I can't hold back though... you're in the military now, dude, I don't know why you think getting high is still acceptable. Grow Up.
I've also read that spice is expensive to test for, if it can even be specifically tested for (unconfirmed). Any "mind-altering" drug other than alcohol (unless youre underage) is illegal in the military. End. Of. Story. You'll be chaptered out in a heartbeat; I know a few people personally who are immature enough to continue, or begin, to use spice or other "synthetic" drugs whilst being in the military.
"It's not a matter of if you get caught, it's when."
Spice will not show up in a standard military drug test. The standard military drug test ONLY tests for THC, the main ingredient in marijuana. Other drug tests are expensive and they can be tested for if you are suspected of using them but will not be tested for unless given a reason. The military will not polygraph you about your past either.
Originally posted by adenac: The standard military drug test ONLY tests for THC, the main ingredient in marijuana. Other drug tests are expensive and they can be tested for if you are suspected of using them but will not be tested for unless given a reason.
Originally posted by adenac: Spice will not show up in a standard military drug test. The standard military drug test ONLY tests for THC, the main ingredient in marijuana. Other drug tests are expensive and they can be tested for if you are suspected of using them but will not be tested for unless given a reason. The military will not polygraph you about your past either.
There are not many who would be willing to bet their career on that.
There is a urine test for spice and for the military it is much cheaper than finding out later someone used drugs. Recently the AF made spice testing part of their regular urine screening. If that is the case, I am sure that MEPS does the same thing.
From my understanding when you go to meps, the drug test you take is a dinky little pre-packaged one which is not all that sensitive (i assume no time to do lab tests/just a measure to rule out the idiots that were doing lines or smoking joints at the hotel) But, when you get to your basic training/boot camp (at least in the navy) they do a REAL drug test that is sent to a lab and is extremely sensitive. So you need to tell your recruiter otherwise you will probably, with the time frame you have, pass the meps and fail the boot camp drug test wasting time and money. You will get chewed out and it will delay your ship date in the best-case scenario. BUT since the armed forces is so competitive now to get it....You probably just screwed yourself over. Crash course in responsability there buddy.
More than half of the airmen tested for the designer drug Spice have had positive results, the Air Force Times reported.
Since March, 45 of the 86 airmen that were tested for the syntehetic form of cannabis had postive results. In June of last year, the Air Force issued a sweeping ban on possession and use of Spice and all mood-altering substances, with the exception of alcohol and tobacco.
The Armed Forces Medical Examiner System is the joint agency responsible for conducting Spice urinalyses for each of the services. Findings show that airmen aren’t alone in abusing Spice. Soldiers, sailors and Marines have also tested positive at high rates, with 164 of 242 soldiers showing evidence of Spice use and 113 of 183 Marines and sailors testing positive for the drug.
Col. Timothy Lyons, a top forensic toxicology expert at AFMES, said the numbers aren’t indicative of rates among troops, because the samples emerged from a population that was already under investigation.
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