i wonder what would happen if lockheed assigned ppl to these boards to answer the rants of some of the accusers (who all seem to belong to another contractor) here instead of just letting them post on and on about how lockheed is soooooo evil....

i wonder if lockheed could use this board as a basis for a slander suit against what seems to be a organized effort by another contracting firm....

i wonder if a contractor's CG contracts could be held up because of reports that the contractor has (in my opinion) slandered high ranking officials of the service......

i wonder if a integrated deepwater system board is too high on the list of boards.....or needed at all....

.....just wondering....

Things that make you go "hmm?".

I hope they keep it a bit longer Sac., we’re not quite finished running profiles on a certain critter with what appears to be multiple personalities. While he/they are quite entertaining, the intricate layers are finally starting to peel away. What sort of nut resides within the shell still remains to be seen.

Don posts

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i wonder what would happen if lockheed assigned ppl to these boards to answer the rants of some of the accusers (who all seem to belong to another contractor) here instead of just letting them post on and on about how lockheed is soooooo evil....

i wonder if lockheed could use this board as a basis for a slander suit against what seems to be a organized effort by another contracting firm....

i wonder if a contractor's CG contracts could be held up because of reports that the contractor has (in my opinion) slandered high ranking officials of the service......

i wonder if a integrated deepwater system board is too high on the list of boards.....or needed at all....

.....just wondering....

I wonder if anybody assigns any credibility to your BASELESS rants

Everything posted here by me has been based on what has been reported in Congressional and IG reports as well as the reputable Washington Post. So what's next?

Go after Captain Jarvis (retired) for his comments?

What happens when you find out that I don't work for a contractor? Then what? As a taxpayer, I think the likes of Congressman Obestar and others would be very interested in seeing our observations being suppressed because of the pro-Lockheed lobby.

Tell me where I slandered Lockheed. Show me the link. All the info I posted is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

For example, I posted this link about the Coast Guard citing Lockheed for defects with the C4ISR provided on the 123 WPB:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/06/ap3992187.html

WASHINGTON -

The discovery of faulty communications and navigation equipment on eight Coast Guard ships built by Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman signal a potentially wider problem for the agency's $24 billion fleet modernization.

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Sac, I think 'Jones' is just a disgruntled coastie living in alexandria, va..

Wray...

Wray, sometimes I don't know why you say what you say So let's see, now I live in Alexandria, and somebody else says that I am multiple screens or personalities here. Keep believing all that if you think it entertains you

Tacio, excellent point! Yeah, how about Sac Metal go after the Washington Post on its article about ADM James Loy?

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Tacio, excellent point! Yeah, how about Sac Metal go after the Washington Post on its article about ADM James Loy?

No KeepingUpWithJones that isn't how it works in their head. It's perfectly fine in their world for DOD officials and Admirals/Generals to be criticized to the point of being slandered and ridiculed with newspaper ads from anti-military political hack groups if need be, but information available in the public domain involving the USCG and it's contractors must never be scrutinized or discussed ever.

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but information available in the public domain involving the USCG and it's contractors must never be scrutinized or discussed ever.

1110, I challenge your above comment; at least as far as the Coast Guard Discussion Boards go - as long as posts are in conformance the the user's agreement then they are not censored. Not everyone agrees with what is written on these forums, not every source of information is legitimate. On any thread, on any topic, there is a point and a counterpoint. Show me any threads that have been closed or censored that were not in violation of the User's Agreement.

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but information available in the public domain involving the USCG and it's contractors must never be scrutinized or discussed ever.

1110, I challenge your above comment; at least as far as the Coast Guard Discussion Boards go - as long as posts are in conformance the the user's agreement then they are not censored. Not everyone agrees with what is written on these forums, not every source of information is legitimate. On any thread, on any topic, there is a point and a counterpoint. Show me any threads that have been closed or censored that were not in violation of the User's Agreement.

Nobodyaskedmebut, just to clarify, my comment was not directed at the moderators, but rather an observation of how certain members go right for the jugular of posters such as KeepingUpWithJones instead of disputing the information he has presented with facts (rather than hyperbole and unfounded assumptions) as a counterpoint. It's all, frankly, nothing more than some shoddy attempt to silence the views of "outsiders" as some of them have refered to those who post here in their "territory" without the gang's approval.

I am in staunch agreement with you that not every source of information is legitimate, however most rational people would agree that the USCG's ELC, NAVSEA and the DHS OIG are quite legitimate. Instead of providing information to counter what has been posted citing these organizations though, certain members seek only to attack those who present the information with silly sidebar discussions about profiles and "real" names and speculations with no basis in fact about the person's motives.

Best Wishes,
Surface Force

Excellent points 1110!

The coy operators such as the liberal lion known as Sac Metal all attack the poster instead of what is posted. We are the 'outsiders' here and I surmise we'll continue to get threats of slander or libel slinged at us as well as insults as long as we call a 'spade a spade'.

I'm sure the good ole boy network is making phone calls and calling for pulling the plug of these discussions. Perhaps former retired senior Coast Guard enlisted who sit on the Miliary.com board are voicing concerns about this board

But who reads this board? It is not that the media or powers-to-be read these messages and act on the content in the messages. But it appears that some are putting a lot of premium on our discussions to warrant their insults and baseless threats of slander/libel charges.

As the sage TC1uscg stated, it was hoped that these discussions would die a slow death

Actually AJ if the plug were pulled it would have been a long time ago and the thread would have died instantaneously.

If you speak with the corporate managementship of Mil.com you would be amazed at what the would say...websites make money from the number of hits they get from viewers. The more forums open for discussion the more hits received. The more hits, the more money. You talk about personal attacks yet you snipe and retaliate at will; and anyone who doesn't share your point of view you accuse of being a good old boy net member...yes, I jab once in a while; I admit that. Can you?

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I am in staunch agreement with you that not every source of information is legitimate, however most rational people would agree that the USCG's ELC, NAVSEA and the DHS OIG are quite legitimate.

I work with DHS OIG on a regular basis, yet have had anything to do with them and Deepwater.

Jerry G: I think you know the reason why the DHS OIG hasn't solicited your or the Commandant's security force in regards to Deepwater investigations. They take orders from the Commandant and perhaps their loyalties are more with the Commandant than with the DHS OIG, who is by default in an adversarial role given that they perform oversight of the Commandant.

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Nah, Jerry, I was going to say something, but then AJ would try to tell me why I said it and explain the fundamental flaw in my counterpoint...

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Nah, Jerry, I was going to say something, but then AJ would try to tell me why I said it and explain the fundamental flaw in my counterpoint...

.....and who pull the strings in the corrupt system.....funny thad used to say the same things.......

Sac Metal: there are no incidents of corruptness or ethical violations in the Coast Guard, whereas in the Dept of Defense there are tremendous instances of this happening, true or false?

what's dod have to do with this.........

(says the liberal lion)

Well Sac Metal, you all seem to say why focus on the Coast Guard when the Dept of Defense just as much problems. Or you phrase it that is no big deal the Coast Guard has problems since the Dept of Defense has them too. Well, if you take pride in being the Coast Guard, an exceptional service, the best maritime service in the world, then you have to hold yourselves to a much higher standard. If not then you are denying your own hypocrisy.

Tacio: good point. We all want to see the Coast Guard get the best equipment at the best value. Admiral Allen is doing a superb job, even more than his predecessors, of ensuring that, regardless of any possible maneuvering of Lockheed. We all know Lockheed represents the "big military industrial complex" whereas they are capable of working behind the scenes to sometimes not necessarily enable such intentions and plans by Admiral Allen.

A. J.

jones, i know we have our problems, but unlike you i don't see the conspiracies you do.....I think it's a broken system that's being fixed, not the misdeeds of leadership.....