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Ok...Theres been much in the news about the Coast Guard and Deepwater. Mainly the high costs and ship design flaws. So, my question is this:

1: How much does the hull of a DDG cost? (empty with no equipment)

Here's my thought:

Why re-invent the wheel. Since there is already a ship that could probally perform CG missions, why didnt the CG buy a DDG without the equipment that isn't used by the CG.
To cut costs we could eliminate sonar, VLS, SPY-1, ect..., and use the extra space for automated systems, crew berthing, actual holding cells for drug runners, ect...

We may not be able to purchase as many right away, but over time, we could build up a decent fleet of them.
 
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I remember years ago sitting in a doctors office and reading some sort of Navy magazine...I think it was called "Proceedings" or something.

There was a story about how the Coast Guard was trying to get four Oliver Perry Class Fast Frigates from the Navy. It told how there are two lengths and that the longer could have two H-60's aboard.

I don't know how old the Perry Class Frigates are but I was a bit surprised it never went any further. Supposedly it was all about having a large enough "cutter" to support two J-Hawks while on patrol in the Caribbean.

Don
 
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Originally posted by NYC_Coastie:
By the way here is a quiz for you: which part of the DDG is used on the NSC. It is easy to see.

Ed


AN/SLQ-32(V)2.

Most DDG-51 class ships have a (V)3 though; the capability for electronic attack.
 
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The chaff launchers? (joke)

Or the controllable pitch propellers?

Or the boat davit?
 
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LM2500...just can't see it.
 
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edited my last post. Is it one of those?
 
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Originally posted by NYC_Coastie:
You can see it from the outside.

Ed


That is this...

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by NYC_Coastie:
By the way here is a quiz for you: which part of the DDG is used on the NSC. It is easy to see.

Ed


AN/SLQ-32(V)2.

Most DDG-51 class ships have a (V)3 though; the capability for electronic attack.
 
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...and obviously not the only correct answer.

Respectfully,
Surface Force
 
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Hmm...
either the bridge design, or the CIWS....
 
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Well...please enlighten us...
 
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Hmm...
either the bridge design, or the CIWS....


Actually some of the Flight II DDG-51 Class ship's don't even have a CIWS. USS SHOUP is one that we did a CSQTT on, they had RAM instead.
 
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Is that OK with everyone else?

Ed


As long as you don't cross any of the "regular" posters Ed, you'll be OK. Wink
 
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Ok...you can tell us now.

Also, not that im a big fan of the French, but they do have a really cool frigate. Maybe another contender for replacement of the NSC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Fayette_class_frigate
 
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What frigate is that?
How much is the projected fuel cost for the NSC?
 
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Not only that, but the German boat weighs more and gets worse gas mileage than the NSC.

I miss the days of the nuke powered cruisers. (CGN) Didnt have to worry about refueling for a while.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cgn-38.htm

And since we brought up the Germans, heres a video of two of their ships colliding. Right at the end of the video, you can see a flash of the German flag on someone's shoulder.

http://www.break.com/index/navy-boats-collide-at-full-speed.html
 
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Im sure the FARC would not complain it if we used the Eagle for CN ops....

Now if we can just find a place to put the Hitron on there....
 
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DDG = 505 ft length, 59 ft beam, 8300-9200 tons displacement
NSC = 418 ft length, 45(?) ft beam, 4300 tons displacement

The gas/diesel propulsion combination of the NSC beats the DDG in economy hands down. The DDG isn't designed for diesels which makes it one hungry ship in the fuel consumption category. I don't think the CG could afford or justify the fuel expense of those ships considering the missions we're assigned.

Top that with increased maintenance of 87 extra feet of hull and the increased crewing necessary. I just don't think the balance of economy to mission requirements is there.
 
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Not the answer I am looking for.

Ed

Next try?


The National Ensign and the halyard which the CG Ensign can be hoisted on!
 
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Who needs nuclear powered ships or gas turbine engines?

The USCG has the hybrid powered German built Cutter Eagle: diesel/wind.

We can patrol the Caribbean the old school way.


Yeah, now there is a real valuable resource.. for recruiting only...

Sailing ships have no place in todays Coast Guard. They do nothing but eat up money. Any (most) training done aboard Eagle can only be used on Eagle since the CG only has one cutter with "sails"....

In my opinion cadets could be taught a hell of a lot more aboard a real cutter. They just may learn things they would use in real day too day life.

Eagle is a valuable piece of history for the CG, but, as with many other things, it has become outdated. Time, in my opinion, to put the money to better use.

Wray.... Cool
 
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Ed,

The last time I saw EAGLE underway near Puerto Rico they were a motor vessel. No sails rigged underway on diesel. We were on MOHAWK, heading west and they were heading east.

Years ago, when the FFGs were being bandied about it was determined they would be too expensive to operate - one of the reasons the Navy wanted to get rid of them...
 
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