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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:


We just need to "bone up" on our "Civics lessons" and get active in government by holding our reps, senators, etc accountable to do what we ask of them....of course we have to comminicate with them.

We need to know the history/historical documents of our country like the back of our hands, instead of letting someone else interpret them for us. We need to use the system as it was designed and not let everyone make all our decisions for us without representation. Our government will die on the vine if it is not pruned, and cared for. We are the husbandry.

Get active! Come out of hybrination.

woot woot! I vote Tower Flower as head community organizer!!

You know what Tower, half the people don't even know what all they are voting on when and if they get to the voting booth.

And they certainly don't watch from day to day to follow up on what the heck they are doing in office or voting on, unless it some cheating scandal makes the news with them as the headline.

I am guilty of that myself. But I am getting better and trying to learn more and focus.

I want to head up an Independent Party where I live here in California. Only trouble is, I don't know who I want to run, who will run?

I need someone smart, fresh, hip, well spoken with no baggage in the closet. I don't wish for much eh? lol

Plus, you know, when I see a post here that tells me to go on a site and write to my rep and let them know I am against something, I do, but I always wonder if it really matters.

To tell you the truth, I think we should totally clean the house out and start over. I don't trust any of them and I don't think they are looking out for me.

They are too greedy, settled and spend more time in the house cafeteria than they do looking out after me.

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:


We just need to "bone up" on our "Civics lessons" and get active in government by holding our reps, senators, etc accountable to do what we ask of them....of course we have to comminicate with them.

We need to know the history/historical documents of our country like the back of our hands, instead of letting someone else interpret them for us. We need to use the system as it was designed and not let everyone make all our decisions for us without representation. Our government will die on the vine if it is not pruned, and cared for. We are the husbandry.

Get active! Come out of hybrination.

woot woot! I vote Tower Flower as head community organizer!!

You know what Tower, half the people don't even know what all they are voting on when and if they get to the voting booth.

And they certainly don't watch from day to day to follow up on what the heck they are doing in office or voting on, unless it some cheating scandal makes the news with them as the headline.

I am guilty of that myself. But I am getting better and trying to learn more and focus.

I want to head up an Independent Party where I live here in California. Only trouble is, I don't know who I want to run, who will run?

I need someone smart, fresh, hip, well spoken with no baggage in the closet. I don't wish for much eh? lol

Plus, you know, when I see a post here that tells me to go on a site and write to my rep and let them know I am against something, I do, but I always wonder if it really matters.

To tell you the truth, I think we should totally clean the house out and start over. I don't trust any of them and I don't think they are looking out for me.

They are too greedy, settled and spend more time in the house cafeteria than they do looking out after me.

To some extent we are all guilty of not being the citizens we are suppose to be.

This society is designed to keep us too busy and distracted to participate, so we leave it up to someone else, but this is dangerous. It was natural to trust in the past, but now it has to be an informed decision. It has to become a conscious habit to slow down and see what is around us instead of reaching out for that "pie in the sky", so to speak. Be thankful for what we have, and we have to take inventory of that, see where we individually and as a family/community are, for real, then take the appropriate action for change.

There are guidelines already for starting up local chapters. Did you know that instead of "town meetings" in most places, where everyone can attend and be active in local government, they are being replaced by a "board" of a few citizens making all the decisions..

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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!

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But why is it only the government is only mentioning the right wing extremists?

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Instead of thinking police state think mandatory politically correct state (Big brother). If the police haven't yet adopted the PC lifestyle then they can't be trusted.

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Originally posted by cybercafe:
I'm about to get off topic, but here it is.

There are alot of Republicans, college Republicans, Young REpublicans, etc, etc.

Its my personal opinion, and my guess that these same types of people vote against any administration that looks after the public good.

In order to get followers, they preach for small government. When Democratic administrations enact financial programs that are designed to make BA degrees accessable to more people, Republicans cry, at the top of their lungs: big government.

The reason I believe they oppose such programs is very simple: the less people who can afford College, the less people who graduate from college, and the less competition that their kids have.

So, if a rich kid is getting a BA degree, all paid for by his parents, he would elect Republican administrations that cut financial aid programs.

Again, the more people who cannot afford College, the less people this person will have to compete with upon graduation. Someone in this position would probably join a Republicna organization that specializes in getting their type of candidate elected to public office.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by cybercafe:
I'm about to get off topic, but here it is.

There are alot of Republicans, college Republicans, Young REpublicans, etc, etc.

Its my personal opinion, and my guess that these same types of people vote against any administration that looks after the public good.

In order to get followers, they preach for small government. When Democratic administrations enact financial programs that are designed to make BA degrees accessable to more people, Republicans cry, at the top of their lungs: big government.

The reason I believe they oppose such programs is very simple: the less people who can afford College, the less people who graduate from college, and the less competition that their kids have.

So, if a rich kid is getting a BA degree, all paid for by his parents, he would elect Republican administrations that cut financial aid programs.

Again, the more people who cannot afford College, the less people this person will have to compete with upon graduation. Someone in this position would probably join a Republicna organization that specializes in getting their type of candidate elected to public office.

Well, that theory does not totally work because you are suggesting that only Reps are rich.

Last time I looked Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Oprah, Buffet, Jay Z, PDiddy, CNN, most of hollywood are all Dems, wealthy and thier children can afford college.

Personally, I would like to see education offered to everyone and not based on race or gender.

I think Obama has a plan where you volunteer for serive or to a community program and you get two years of college paid for, yes?

I also think that you should get education paid for and then you pay it back and have to mentor the next generation.

I am not sure the stats but I heard someone say once that many people in the house and and politics and big business still have outstanding student loans and never paid them back.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:


We just need to "bone up" on our "Civics lessons" and get active in government by holding our reps, senators, etc accountable to do what we ask of them....of course we have to comminicate with them.

We need to know the history/historical documents of our country like the back of our hands, instead of letting someone else interpret them for us. We need to use the system as it was designed and not let everyone make all our decisions for us without representation. Our government will die on the vine if it is not pruned, and cared for. We are the husbandry.

Get active! Come out of hybrination.

woot woot! I vote Tower Flower as head community organizer!!

You know what Tower, half the people don't even know what all they are voting on when and if they get to the voting booth.

And they certainly don't watch from day to day to follow up on what the heck they are doing in office or voting on, unless it some cheating scandal makes the news with them as the headline.

I am guilty of that myself. But I am getting better and trying to learn more and focus.

I want to head up an Independent Party where I live here in California. Only trouble is, I don't know who I want to run, who will run?

I need someone smart, fresh, hip, well spoken with no baggage in the closet. I don't wish for much eh? lol

Plus, you know, when I see a post here that tells me to go on a site and write to my rep and let them know I am against something, I do, but I always wonder if it really matters.

To tell you the truth, I think we should totally clean the house out and start over. I don't trust any of them and I don't think they are looking out for me.

They are too greedy, settled and spend more time in the house cafeteria than they do looking out after me.

To some extent we are all guilty of not being the citizens we are suppose to be.

This society is designed to keep us too busy and distracted to participate, so we leave it up to someone else, but this is dangerous. It was natural to trust in the past, but now it has to be an informed decision. It has to become a conscious habit to slow down and see what is around us instead of reaching out for that "pie in the sky", so to speak. Be thankful for what we have, and we have to take inventory of that, see where we individually and as a family/community are, for real, then take the appropriate action for change.

There are guidelines already for starting up local chapters. Did you know that instead of "town meetings" in most places, where everyone can attend and be active in local government, they are being replaced by a "board" of a few citizens making all the decisions..

Can I tell you that we have town meetings here and I have never been once because I just don't think I count and it wont make a difference.

I think the people who run it just do what they want.

I guess I should show up, be informed and but the local tv and radio until people who vote have to listen?

Most people have to work and raise their children and just don't have time after laundry, cooking, shopping, home work, after school activities and so on.

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Originally posted by cybercafe:
USA: you ignore the problem.

We need AFfirmative ACtion.

Please, please do research as I have.

If you have the wrong address you get a substandard education.

The lions share of funding for schools goes to rich neighborhoods.

In inner city neighborhoods, there are 6 kids to 1 textbook, math teachers who don't even have a college degree in ANY math field.

AFfirmative ACtion will be needed as long as inner city schools do not get the same funding as schools in rich neighborhoods.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by cybercafe:
I'm about to get off topic, but here it is.

There are alot of Republicans, college Republicans, Young REpublicans, etc, etc.

Its my personal opinion, and my guess that these same types of people vote against any administration that looks after the public good.

In order to get followers, they preach for small government. When Democratic administrations enact financial programs that are designed to make BA degrees accessable to more people, Republicans cry, at the top of their lungs: big government.

The reason I believe they oppose such programs is very simple: the less people who can afford College, the less people who graduate from college, and the less competition that their kids have.

So, if a rich kid is getting a BA degree, all paid for by his parents, he would elect Republican administrations that cut financial aid programs.

Again, the more people who cannot afford College, the less people this person will have to compete with upon graduation. Someone in this position would probably join a Republicna organization that specializes in getting their type of candidate elected to public office.

Well, that theory does not totally work because you are suggesting that only Reps are rich.

Last time I looked Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Oprah, Buffet, Jay Z, PDiddy, CNN, most of hollywood are all Dems, wealthy and thier children can afford college.

Personally, I would like to see education offered to everyone and not based on race or gender.

I think Obama has a plan where you volunteer for serive or to a community program and you get two years of college paid for, yes?

I also think that you should get education paid for and then you pay it back and have to mentor the next generation.

I am not sure the stats but I heard someone say once that many people in the house and and politics and big business still have outstanding student loans and never paid them back.

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:
Yup, equality and justice for "all"

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:
Yup, equality and justice for "all"

Let me know when that is achieved won't you?

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USA: you ignore the problem.

We need AFfirmative ACtion.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent.

Got any verifiable examples?

Umm, Ayers, the under ground, black panthers, etc

oh and btw... the KKK were started by the Democratic party, don't try and put that extreme hate group on the right or fox.

They belong to the left with the rest of their radical groups.

Again you are coming up with examples that are 30-40 years old. How about some recent examples? What "left wing" ideals do the KKK espouse? The Dixiecrats were a long time ago...and they abandoned the Democrats and joined the GOP back in 1948.

Just an FYI...we are now in the latter half of 2009.

I would say today, after all these years later, the left have learned a better way to control and manipulate without resorting to violence.

They just organise and put people into office that then make the laws and enforce their agenda on the rest of society.

Even if the majority of a state votes twice against it, the people that have been put into office by such radical left groups will attempt to override such a vote by a majority.

Also, they have gathered in large numbers and formed radical protest at such business establishments as banks, pop and pop shops, dining establishments who might be against the left agenda.

Peta is about as violent as I can think of right now. They have broken into pet places and destroyed property, they have thrown paint on people wearing fur, etc

I think we might see a little more aggression coming from both sides with regard to the gay movement.

This last vote in California, an old lady came out with her cross to protest and the gay community lost it on her and hit it out of her hands and surrounded her and yelled at her and then a few from the other side came in to push them back off of her.

It was all very sad but I could see where this might get even more physical in the future.

Just to say, the left might have found other ways of controlling people and pushing their agenda but that does not make them any less radical or manipulative.

I think there is enough of that on both sides to go around.

"just organise and put people into office that then make the laws"

How dare the people “organize and put people into office then make Laws” don’t they know that only the right wing extremist know what is best for them and only right wing extremist should be in a law making position, don’t they even know that the right wing extremist belong to a super race and we should bow down to them, that the right wing extremist are our betters and we should not challenge their evil right wing extremist agenda of hate and greed how stupid of the good and descent people of America to participate in a democracy.

Just as America’s greatest generation would never bow down to Hitler or Tojo I will never bend a knee for these right wing extremist who brought us the 8 years of shame, disgrace, and dishonor.

I will as I have done all of my life fight them until I take the big dirt nap.

Oh don't be so dramatic.

Unlike you, I know both sides are radical and corrupt.

And yes, how dare they on both sides not be up front with what the real agenda is and hide it under all these organizations.

As for your racist remarks, I don't want to bow down to the left socialist dictator way of life, I don't want to bow down to the right corruption but why don't you all stand up with me, in the middle as an Independent and make both parties be accountable to all the people and not just a one sided party and agenda.

“As for your racist remarks,”

You are making reference to my the super race comment .

I belong to the human race

We all know the right wing extremist belong to a race above humans but below
Angles or maybe in their twisted minds it is between God and Angels or even above God.
Who knows they are so twisted.

With talk like that , I would say you belong to a group within a human race that is full of hate and you are being very narrow minded.

We don't all know that the right wing extremist belong to a race above humans. That comment is ugly hateful and racial.

bad bad bad on you.


That would be like me saying all left wing extremist are as full of hate, ugly remarks and racist.

Just because some in a group act bad does not mean all in that party follow that way of thinking.

That is like me saying that just because a few people that worked for ACORN committed fraud must mean all of ACORN is fraudulent.

You are saying that by expressing the truth about the right wing extremist that I am being a racist. So are you saying that the right wing extremist are a seperate race?

6#######

You are either being foolish or a hateful idiot and I can't tell which right now.

Obviously you are just trying to get a rise out of me with your nonsense.

Your so called truth that you think you are expressing is nothing more than hate speech dressed up as a post.

Since you can't express your opinion without all this hate towards one side, I can't take anything you have to say seriously.

You know darn well your post and comments were racist remarks when you suggested that the extreme right was some supreme being, race, that is above all else even God!

You are not funny and that is just down right mean.

But I will forgive you for your awful behavior just as I am sure God would want me to and I know God will forgive all his misguided children on the right and the left for using all he stands for in the wrong way.

You were very bad today 6.

The only people that I have been hard on is the right wing extremist.
For me to be a racist they the right wing extremist would have to be a separate race.
So either they are the scum of the human race which I believe or they would have to be a separate race which I do not believe. If they are as I believe the dregs of the human race I can not be a racist. If they are a super race then you can call me a racist. So which is it?
I only believe in one race the human race. I think any member of the human race can be a horses rear end or any one can be good.

You said that I have been bad today I assume that you mean that like a Red 57 Chevrolet convertible with white naugahyde pleat and roll upholstery is really bad so, thank you for the complement. Your kinda bad your self in a Z-06 way.

Don't try that ol sweeet talk with me 6. You are still on the naughty matt until you agree from now on you and I both will not post bad about just one party without exposing the other, yes or no?

You said both sides have bad and you have posted about both in the past, but in every post today you only slam one side, why?

You don't think some on the radical extreme left don't think they are superior or above the law or held above all others?

I am not sure what a z-06 way is, but I bet you think the red 57 is better.

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:
Yup, equality and justice for "all"

Let me know when that is achieved won't you?

It wont be as long as there ar special people
with special programs.

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!

one has a history of violence and believes in the superiority of one race over the others and the one does voter registration drives...

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:
Yup, equality and justice for "all"

Let me know when that is achieved won't you?

It wont be as long as there ar special people with special programs.

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Originally posted by donniejanuarysr:

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!

one has a history of violence and believes in the superiority of one race over the others and the one does voter registration drives...

KKK has the history of violence, and Acorn wants to out do the KKK , Both need to be taken out to dinner in a boat fulll of holes in the middle of the deepest water mass.

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by Tower_Flower:
Yup, equality and justice for "all"

Let me know when that is achieved won't you?

It wont be as long as there ar special people with special programs.

Amen

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by 6837602:

There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent.

Got any verifiable examples?

Umm, Ayers, the under ground, black panthers, etc

oh and btw... the KKK were started by the Democratic party, don't try and put that extreme hate group on the right or fox.

They belong to the left with the rest of their radical groups.

Again you are coming up with examples that are 30-40 years old. How about some recent examples? What "left wing" ideals do the KKK espouse? The Dixiecrats were a long time ago...and they abandoned the Democrats and joined the GOP back in 1948.

Just an FYI...we are now in the latter half of 2009.

I would say today, after all these years later, the left have learned a better way to control and manipulate without resorting to violence.

They just organise and put people into office that then make the laws and enforce their agenda on the rest of society.

Even if the majority of a state votes twice against it, the people that have been put into office by such radical left groups will attempt to override such a vote by a majority.

Also, they have gathered in large numbers and formed radical protest at such business establishments as banks, pop and pop shops, dining establishments who might be against the left agenda.

Peta is about as violent as I can think of right now. They have broken into pet places and destroyed property, they have thrown paint on people wearing fur, etc

I think we might see a little more aggression coming from both sides with regard to the gay movement.

This last vote in California, an old lady came out with her cross to protest and the gay community lost it on her and hit it out of her hands and surrounded her and yelled at her and then a few from the other side came in to push them back off of her.

It was all very sad but I could see where this might get even more physical in the future.

Just to say, the left might have found other ways of controlling people and pushing their agenda but that does not make them any less radical or manipulative.

I think there is enough of that on both sides to go around.

"just organise and put people into office that then make the laws"

How dare the people “organize and put people into office then make Laws” don’t they know that only the right wing extremist know what is best for them and only right wing extremist should be in a law making position, don’t they even know that the right wing extremist belong to a super race and we should bow down to them, that the right wing extremist are our betters and we should not challenge their evil right wing extremist agenda of hate and greed how stupid of the good and descent people of America to participate in a democracy.

Just as America’s greatest generation would never bow down to Hitler or Tojo I will never bend a knee for these right wing extremist who brought us the 8 years of shame, disgrace, and dishonor.

I will as I have done all of my life fight them until I take the big dirt nap.

Oh don't be so dramatic.

Unlike you, I know both sides are radical and corrupt.

And yes, how dare they on both sides not be up front with what the real agenda is and hide it under all these organizations.

As for your racist remarks, I don't want to bow down to the left socialist dictator way of life, I don't want to bow down to the right corruption but why don't you all stand up with me, in the middle as an Independent and make both parties be accountable to all the people and not just a one sided party and agenda.

“As for your racist remarks,”

You are making reference to my the super race comment .

I belong to the human race

We all know the right wing extremist belong to a race above humans but below
Angles or maybe in their twisted minds it is between God and Angels or even above God.
Who knows they are so twisted.

With talk like that , I would say you belong to a group within a human race that is full of hate and you are being very narrow minded.

We don't all know that the right wing extremist belong to a race above humans. That comment is ugly hateful and racial.

bad bad bad on you.


That would be like me saying all left wing extremist are as full of hate, ugly remarks and racist.

Just because some in a group act bad does not mean all in that party follow that way of thinking.

That is like me saying that just because a few people that worked for ACORN committed fraud must mean all of ACORN is fraudulent.

You are saying that by expressing the truth about the right wing extremist that I am being a racist. So are you saying that the right wing extremist are a seperate race?

6#######

You are either being foolish or a hateful idiot and I can't tell which right now.

Obviously you are just trying to get a rise out of me with your nonsense.

Your so called truth that you think you are expressing is nothing more than hate speech dressed up as a post.

Since you can't express your opinion without all this hate towards one side, I can't take anything you have to say seriously.

You know darn well your post and comments were racist remarks when you suggested that the extreme right was some supreme being, race, that is above all else even God!

You are not funny and that is just down right mean.

But I will forgive you for your awful behavior just as I am sure God would want me to and I know God will forgive all his misguided children on the right and the left for using all he stands for in the wrong way.

You were very bad today 6.

The only people that I have been hard on is the right wing extremist.
For me to be a racist they the right wing extremist would have to be a separate race.
So either they are the scum of the human race which I believe or they would have to be a separate race which I do not believe. If they are as I believe the dregs of the human race I can not be a racist. If they are a super race then you can call me a racist. So which is it?
I only believe in one race the human race. I think any member of the human race can be a horses rear end or any one can be good.

You said that I have been bad today I assume that you mean that like a Red 57 Chevrolet convertible with white naugahyde pleat and roll upholstery is really bad so, thank you for the complement. Your kinda bad your self in a Z-06 way.

Don't try that ol sweeet talk with me 6. You are still on the naughty matt until you agree from now on you and I both will not post bad about just one party without exposing the other, yes or no?

You said both sides have bad and you have posted about both in the past, but in every post today you only slam one side, why?

You don't think some on the radical extreme left don't think they are superior or above the law or held above all others?

I am not sure what a z-06 way is, but I bet you think the red 57 is better.

OK you win the left wing extremist stink.
and as I posted earlier the ex President of Honduras is in the same category as GBjr and that is a mean put down of the ex president of Honduras

Castro stinks, Chavez stinks, and Ortega Stinks
The first two are Despots

Now I have been fair and balanced.

A Z06 is a Corvette I tried to post a picture of a pretty yellow one but it will not paste