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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!
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do ya'll know what a "warning sign" is?

did you have Disciplinary problems in school? If you did, did that mean you were a destined to be a criminal? No. of course it doesn't. But does that something you look for when trying to determine what kids need extra attention? yes.

does Opposing abortion make you a terrorist? No. are there people who hate abortion so badly that the will kill or set off bombs because of it? hell yes.


WND's "list" is a joke. use your common sense people. Its vaguely worded to dupe the gullible.

as for the census part of the "article"....do you REALLY think groups like the Klan should be allowed to go door to door collecting information on people? Do you REALLY want the local police doing that either?
 
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A hate group is just that, a Hate Group. They are all the same and all they do is seperate us.

With all the new laws that are being made, you would think they could stop some of this.

America will get thru it, but it will cost all of us dearly. Our children, and Grand Children will pay the price. We have been but they will still be paying this off 50 years from now.

When we were Banned as Partners with the Census they set up a very narrow road as to who are the good and bad people.

God Bless America....still
 
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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!
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This is an extreme agenda on par with the Klan?:

"ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.

Since 1970, ACORN has grown to more than 350,000 member families, organized in 850 neighborhood chapters in over 100 cities across the U.S. and in cities in Argentina, Peru, Mexico, the Dominican Republic and Canada.

ACORN's accomplishments include successful campaigns for better housing, schools, neighborhood safety, health care, job conditions, and more.

ACORN members participate in local meetings and actively work on campaigns, elect leadership from the neighborhood level up, and pay the organization's core expenses through membership dues and grassroots fundraisers.

ACORN has constantly challenged the traditional notions of what a community organization is, and its family of organizations includes two radio stations, a voter registration network, a housing corporation, and several publications."

***http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=2703***

You must not know much about the Klan and related groups.

I still look forward to you posting some "stubborn facts" to back up some of your statements.



But I won't hold my breath...
 
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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!
ROFLMAO...ACORN is an "extremist" group and you are likening them to the KKK?

Ya'll really need to turn of Fox news once in a while...
 
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...before you look any closer,...

...Your right to look any closer will be gone,...................

...It seems like the're, (the current administration) setting the pace to do "as I say" when they feel like changing horses in mid stream,...

...It's "them" being the chickin little now, sure, I'm storing my firearms, and ammo, food, medical supplies, have winter heat already set up with a woodstove, and generator, etc, but I've been doing this for years, it's called being self sufficient, not going to depend of "them" to do a dang thing when the chi+ gets thick,...

...Like the guy in Montana says,...

... "prayers will help you meet your maker, trespassing will speed things up really faster",...

...
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* Oppose abortion
* Oppose same-sex marriage
* Oppose restrictions on firearms
* Oppose lax immigration laws
* Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
* Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
* Are suspect of foreign regimes
* Fear Communist regimes
* Oppose a "one world" government
* Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
* Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more.
Interesting how all these beliefs match the known beliefs of Von Brunn, the murderer of the security guard at the Washington, D.C. Holocaust Museum, isn't it?

Maybe someone at Homeland Security (during the Bush Administration, when the report was written) was on to something?



Extremist who are willing to go over the edge can come from the left as well as the right.

At this point in time an overwhelming majority of Americans appose the right wing extremist so it stands to reason that the greatest threat will come from the right wing extremist. Generally the right wing extremist are more willing to become violent.
There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent. Extremist of either ilk can become a problem.

The current crop of right wing extremist have defined any one to the left of them as being left wing extremist but in fact the vast majority of Americans are centerst.

The Department of Homeland Security is quite correct to put these people on the watch list it is from this group that terrorist are most likely to come from. This may not be politically correct among the right wing extremist but these whackos have done a lot of damage to both the people in or nation and the nation itself.

During the mid 70s I apposed the left wing extremist as strong as I do the right wing extremist whacko morons of to day.

One thing that makes the right wing extremist so dangerous to day is that they have told the lie that they are doing God’s work so many times they are starting to believe it.
 
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What's the diference; the KKK or ACORN. They are both EXTREME groups who have an extreme agenda!
ROFLMAO...ACORN is an "extremist" group and you are likening them to the KKK?

Ya'll really need to turn of Fox news once in a while...


With an open mind Please just keep an eye on them from a view that they will seperate all of us.

I am not a Fox news person. I look at a track record and put stalk in actions.
 
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This is an extreme agenda on par with the Klan?:

"ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.


ACORN is every bit as dangerous as the KKK. They use threats of violence to achieve their ends. Harassing bank officials at their business and at home, rigging elections and so much more.

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I blame the 3rd party Contractors who put themselves in a position where they only have 1 job: Collecting a paycheck. They only have 1 duty: go to the bank and get it cashed.


That sounds exactly like a union worker. Thewy put themselves in a position to have only one job-collecting a paycheck worth double their efforts. With the Obama admin. now in power they dont even have to actually work for it.
 
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There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent.
Got any verifiable examples?
 
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The list I posted will take in just about all of us.

We are listed with one or another cause.

I don't see how they could make a list like this?


It is a matter of degree and ones willingness to go over the edge if your are surrounded by right wing extremist it may appear that this list is all inclusive but as evidence by the Nov 08 election this list does not include most good and normal Americans.

Although each of us may have concerns about some these subjects as well as others most Americans are willing to put the good of the nation and their brothers and sisters first.

The character of the right wig extremist s driven by greed and a thrust for money and power. The kind of power that lets them exert their will over others, this is called subjugation. As all right wing extremist through out history have done, they use God as
an excuse to subjugate the people. I am a Christian and believe in God. The criminal agenda the right wing extremist have followed is a perversion of God’s word. There is nothing Christian about it, it is just plane old selfish and hatful.

I do not think that Jesus would approve torture, the raping and subjugation of the middle and lower class, lying and getting hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed.

I do not pretend that I have lived a saintly life I have said and done things that are wrong but I do believe that the folly of the right wing extremist, the hate, the greed, the carnage,
and all their lies will bring server retribution upon them not by the good and decent people of the nation but by God.
 
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ACORN is every bit as dangerous as the KKK. They use threats of violence to achieve their ends.
Feel free to provide examples of these "threats of violence" by the organization known as ACORN. See, my google (with a built in left wing bias) gives me the following responses when typing in "ACORN threats of violence":

Death Threat, Vandalism Hit ACORN After Accusations
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/18-10

ACORN FACES VIOLENCE, THREATS.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015242.php

Death threat, vandalism hit ACORN after McCain comments
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/54360.html

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Harassing bank officials at their business and at home, rigging elections and so much more.
Again some examples would be nice. Where are the convictions for these crimes? The only recent convictions I have heard about regarding voter fraud was the head of a Republican voter registration firm. (There is a thread around here somewhere on it..oh, here it is: Head of CA GOP Voter Registration Firm Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud) When was the organization ACORN or even an official at ACORN convicted of anything?
 
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One thing that makes the right wing extremist so dangerous to day is that they have told the lie that they are doing God’s work so many times they are starting to believe it.
Exactly!

I'm know that those "100% Real Americans" who tried to burn down my father's house and his church in New Mexico last year believed they were "doing God’s work" - because that's what the District Attorney who prosecuted the case told my brother and I the arsonists had told the police - and I have no reason to doubt him. Since my Dad had members of his church who were legal Hispanic immigrants, naturalized American citizens who had been born in Mexico and Americans whose parents had legally immigrated from Mexico, these "Real Americans" felt they were "doing God's work" of preserving America for other "Real Americans" by trying to burn the church and his house down.

Why, would you believe that my Dad was so "anti-American" that he taught himself Spanish so that he could better serve the members of his church as their minister? Obviously my father was a greater danger to the United States than the scum who tried to burn him out of his home.

But all too many here seem to be taking the position that these arsonists and their buddies shouldn't even be looked at by law enforcement until they actually kill someone.

Probably because, in these Forum readers' and Forum posters' hearts, they think these arsonists had their hearts in the right place - the same place these Forum readers' and Forum posters' hearts are. These Forum readers' and Forum posters' merely object to the tactics used by the arsonists, not their objectives.
 
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Do you want the Black Panthers doing it either? How about Code Pink? There are plenty of left wing extremists out there also.


are we really going to play the "WELL YOUR SIDE HAS BAD PEOPLE TOO!" game? No I don't want the black panthers doing the census either.
But why is it only the government is only mentioning the right wing extremists?
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I can see the census bureau not wanting to be associated with any extremist groups but, law enforcement agencies? How can one government agency say they don't want another government agency to assist?


This is the funniest part of the article to me. They think this is some sort of power grab/start of a police state/etc.. yet they use the lack of police participation as an example of it.

Instead of thinking police state think mandatory politically correct state (Big brother). If the police haven't yet adopted the PC lifestyle then they can't be trusted.
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And as far as it being vaguely worded to dupe the gullible, check the information received under the freedomm of information act. It does specify law enforcement agencies.


I've read it already. and WND's list is vaguely worded to dupe the gullible. as usual.


WND's list is vaguely worded interpertation but that does not change the fact that the census bereau doesn't trust the police to remind people of the upcoming census.
 
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With an open mind Please just keep an eye on them from a view that they will seperate all of us.

I am not a Fox news person. I look at a track record and put stalk in actions.
So, with an open mind, what actions of ACORN would be considered extremist?
 
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There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent.
Got any verifiable examples?


During the mid 70s there were a lot of violent acts done by people who were pushing the left wing extremist agenda I am now aware that some were actually done by right wing extremist to try and turn the nation against the left, but some acts of destruction were done by the LWEs themselves such as the burning of ROTC buildings and recruiting stations during the 70s
The burning of the ROTC building at SIU Carbondale IL is a specific verifiable example.
I am not aware of any cases of murder like we have experienced lately at the hands of the right wing extremist. As I have always stated the right wing extremist have always represented the greater threat and are willing to become more violent. They (the right wing extremist) do not represent freedom, honesty, honor nor justice.
 
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During the mid 70s there were a lot of violent acts done by people who were pushing the left wing extremist agenda
That was almost 40 years ago. I was looking for recent examples...last 10 years kinda stuff.
 
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There are however plenty of examples of the left wing extremist going over the edge and becoming violent.
Got any verifiable examples?


Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

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Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

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But why is it only the government is only mentioning the right wing extremists?
The Bush Administration's Department of Homeland Security which wrote the document warning of threats to the United States from Right-wing extremists also wrote and released a document warning of threats to the United States from Left-wing extremists (primarily eco-terrorists such as Earth First). The document was released while the Bush Administration was still in office, but, since it didn't offend the tender sensibilities of the Right, they forgot it after a day or two.

The Right's tender sensibilities were only offended when the Obama Administration released the document written by the Bush Administration's Department of Homeland Security warning of threats to the United States from Right-wing extremists - because in their minds, there are NO Right-wing extremists (they're just over-zealous Patriots Wink).

In the minds of the Right, only Left-wing people can be extremists, since anyone who isn't Right-wing isn't a "Real American" and, therefore, a potential traitor. And, if anyone who belongs to Right-wing organizations does commit an act of violence (like Timothy Mcveigh or Eric Rudolph or Von Brunn, for example), people on the Right immediately claim that these acts of violence are actually proof that the person was really a leftist!

"Denial" is not just the name of the river that flows through Egypt. Wink
 
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...before you look any closer,...

...Your right to look any closer will be gone,...................

...It seems like the're, (the current administration) setting the pace to do "as I say" when they feel like changing horses in mid stream,...

...It's "them" being the chickin little now, sure, I'm storing my firearms, and ammo, food, medical supplies, have winter heat already set up with a woodstove, and generator, etc, but I've been doing this for years, it's called being self sufficient, not going to depend of "them" to do a dang thing when the chi+ gets thick,...

...Like the guy in Montana says,...

... "prayers will help you meet your maker, trespassing will speed things up really faster",...

...
Beer Applause
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...MD, sorry about the "MD" after my other post, I didn't mean to imply that was yours, I'm not the best at doing the quote bit here,...

...No "Red Dawn" bit, I'm just saying that by being an "average American citizen" who happens to be a "Service Connected Disabled Honorably Discharged Veteran" to be labeled as an extremist because I own firearms, etc, etc,etc isn't right, and "should" feces hit the recip, I have no quams about packing up, and headin' to them thar hills, I'm a northern redneck, :-)

don't have any of thoes things, but my reefer is full of beer Beer Cool
 
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