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I was just wondering why the census would allow illegals to be counted in ?

Someone said that it is how you can get more representatives, yes or no ?

And if you can get more reps, would you not have more voting power?

All the sudden, something does not seem on the up and up with the people behind the census.
 
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In 1790, the first Census Act provided that the enumeration of that year would count “inhabitants” and “distinguish” various subgroups by age, sex, status as free persons, etc. Inhabitant was a term with a well-defined meaning that encompassed, as the Oxford English Dictionary expressed it, one who “is a bona fide member of a State, subject to all the requisitions of its laws, and entitled to all the privileges which they confer.”

Thus early census questionnaires generally asked a question that got at the issue of citizenship or permanent resident status, e.g., “what state or foreign country were you born in?” or whether an individual who said he was foreign-born was naturalized. Over the years, however, Congress and the Census Bureau have added inquiries that have little or nothing to do with census’s constitutional purpose.

By 1980 there were two census forms. The shorter form went to every person physically present in the country and was used to establish congressional apportionment. It had no question pertaining to an individual’s citizenship or legal status as a resident. The longer form gathered various kinds of socioeconomic information including citizenship status, but it went only to a sample of U.S. households. That pattern was repeated for the 1990 and 2000 censuses.

The 2010 census will use only the short form. The long form has been replaced by the Census Bureau’s ongoing American Community Survey. Dr. Elizabeth Grieco, chief of the Census Bureau’s Immigration Statistics Staff, told us in a recent interview that the 2010 census short form does not ask about citizenship because “Congress has not asked us to do that.”

Because the census (since at least 1980) has not distinguished citizens and permanent, legal residents from individuals here illegally, the basis for apportionment of House seats has been skewed. According to the Census Bureau’s latest American Community Survey data (2007), states with a significant net gain in population by inclusion of noncitizens include Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Nevada, New Jersey, New York and Texas. (There are tiny net gains for Hawaii and Massachusetts.)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574332950796281832.html
 
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thanks mainedawg and seawitch...

sad to say when you just don't trust what the officials are doing and have to question everything huh?

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I am different from most people as many know. I just want it to be fair and just. I would like it to be the way I think, but I want the American way to be honest and not go to the loudest voice, but listen to all the people.

When it was said some time ago, who will they go after next?

That is always a thought in my mind.
 
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Can't be letting "law enforcement" groups contribute to enforcing the census required by U.S. law. Why, somebody might think enforcing the law of the U.S. is meritorious or proper. Others might think that Americans who respect U.S. law deserve respect, in turn. Nope, not allowed.
 
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Can't be letting "law enforcement" groups contribute to enforcing the census required by U.S. law. Why, somebody might think enforcing the law of the U.S. is meritorious or proper. Others might think that Americans who respect U.S. law deserve respect, in turn. Nope, not allowed.


And it's NEVER been allowed, because the census is barred by law from enforcing any OTHER law.

And that's the way it's ALWAYS been. It's only Kollectivist Kool aid Kooks who think the purpose of the census is to bust people for smoking weed, or living with too many people in an apartment. Any one who values individual rights SHOULD know this without having to be told.

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Can't be letting "law enforcement" groups contribute to enforcing the census required by U.S. law. Why, somebody might think enforcing the law of the U.S. is meritorious or proper. Others might think that Americans who respect U.S. law deserve respect, in turn. Nope, not allowed.


And it's NEVER been allowed, because the census is barred by law from enforcing any OTHER law. [But other law is NOT barred from provisions that help ensure the census is correctly taken.]

And that's the way it's ALWAYS been. It's only Kollectivist Kool aid Kooks [Obamanites, we figure.] who think the purpose of the census is to bust people for smoking weed, or living with too many people in an apartment. Any one who values individual rights SHOULD know this without having to be told. [Individual rights? Darned sure not the current White House staffers intruding illegally into all sorts of email accounts! All with a brain and any knowledge of the Constitution's clear intent understand, as throughout the nation's history, that it is essential to know how many counted are citizens of the United States, with such count impacting correct allocation of seats in Congress and appropriate representation with the ongoing excessive taxation. Whatever oversight is required to determine from among those counted, who is a citizen and who is not, is entirely just and necessary. Wanna count illegals, too? Fine. But citizens alone must be counted accurately, no illegals thrown in for deceptive measure. People breaking the law run scared of the census and don't want to be counted? we're better off not considering such people when it comes to representation and benefits. They are not upholding their end of the bargain. "Others might think that Americans who respect U.S. law deserve respect, in turn. Nope, not allowed." At least, not by kontrol-freak selective interpretation of the Constitution.]

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