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How often have we seen simple ideas work. We Americans are, IMHO, are brain washed to think simplistic is stupid...it ain't. Lot of respect, Sergeant Major  |
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"Please pass my respects to the Sar'major."
Alas...my dear ol' Pop is overseeing the maintenance of the Pearly Gates (he was a combat engineer). He passed thru 5 years ago. But thank you for the sentiment. |
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I have read and viewed materials on the subject for the Humvee and it would not make them that much heavier.
The main problem is that this war sould have been over a long time ago. If our own goverment would have used the military intel in the fist place insteed of the FBI or other sources, we would have been gone by now. |
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I am amazed that you find that "simple idea" at all attractive, Sergeant Major. Of course we could blow the crap out of anything we were taking fire from, but not only would that not solve our problem, it would result in our being politely asked to leave by the Iraqi government before the year was out. It's their country, and they don't take any kindlier to people killing their civilians than we do. That is why we employ that ultimate in precision weaponry, the Marine grunt Lance Corporal, to distinguish between bad guys and innocents.  |
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Too late,3706 USA heros dead already, 80% died because of IEDS ! I spent 23 years in the US Army as a Ranger! Your Captain Officer,your boss will give you orders, you will do it or be court martial! In the cilvian world you just quit! What I am saying in combat officers sometimes give bad orders that will for sure get you killed quick! They don't care because most of the officers sit or stay in their AC office or tent 7/24(green zone) in IRAQ while the enlisted members are 99% of the KIA !
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IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER TANK SOON ON THE ROAD. BUT FIRST, MAKE A BIGGER GUN FOR THE HUMMER, MAKE THE WHEELS OF A GOOD SOLID STEEL, WITH TREADS LIKE ALL TIRES, AND WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY.
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It is about time!
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Good comments by many, to be sure. We will invent the better mousetrap or whatever but we are forgetting the Army's older mission - outmaneuver the other guy. Even Tank warfare is better when you hit them where they aint. Occupation of hostile population in scenario where industrial techno compentency is available for IED'S (read USA in Afganistan 79-82) and Iran in Iraq since 2003)maneuver vehicles are dead in the water. Street patrols, QRT's on known routes are deadly to our soldiers.
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Maneuver warfare is our forte. Occupation duty is not (when population remains hostile and armed). The streets will not be safe for our military until the population turns on the bad guys and trusts the occupation force and/or new National force more than it fears bad guys. Pray for political support for the seize and hold "Surge" long enough to do some good.
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Why is everyone on this site so full of doom and gloom? Sound like a bunch of old grannies sometimes. Conspiracy theories and who knows what else?
How about taking the article for what it is. They are working on making Humvees better equiped against explosives. Why all the political crap? Man, get over it! |
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Amen brother. It seems that is happening as we speak. They are tired of these imported insurgents killing their innocents. But then when they are gone what then? In answer to the person who said these IED's are not new tech , WRONG. The insurgents are using new tech from Iran. A shaped charge ied that does a whole lot of damage inside the cab. Iam not sure that even the Buffalo can stand up to these. The problem is that these so called insurgents are adapting faster then us. We are playing catchup. The answer truely is to take out the people who are planting them, nothing else will work. |
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There has to be a shift in the thinking of the US Military. Every piece of gear that is going to be used by a service member has to be able to withstand the rigors of combat! There is no safe haven or rear area anymore!
The HMMWV is just another example of this... issuing troops "polo-pro" is another, we should have learned about this from the British in Falklands war !!! I applaud the efforts of AM General into researching ways to improve the armor on the HMMWV, I just wish the malefactors of all our military vehicles were doing the same thing... not to mention our ships... "USS Cole" Lives could have been saved with a "Spray-on" Liner similar to commercial truck bed liner "Rhino Lining" Semper Fi |
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EXACTLY!!! |
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Every time I see another line of posts about the Humvee, IEDs, and/or MRAPs, it is another reminder that we are applying the wrong tool for the job. We don't defeat IEDs by bolting more armor to light utility trucks. The only way to defeat IEDs is to deny freedom of movement to the knuckleheads emplacing the IEDs. Control the battlespace and you don't have to worry about an IED detonating in the first place.
I don't discourage the acquisition folks from trying to find more effective Humvee armor and boosting the vehicle's performance, because something has to be done. |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070824/pl_nm/usa_military_...cj02KrhBGp5pk6ME1vAI
One can almost get the sense there is a point system now for the IED planters. Humvee = 10 Bradly = 25 etc |
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-What an asinine thing to say.... |
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I like the fact that they are trying to improve the Humvee, BUT its too much! I have seen the prototype here in Iraq and its so big it cant fit there some tunnels and passage ways, the suspention on it is already bad on the M1151 with FRAG5 armor its hella worse with the FRAG6. Hit a bump to hard and ur done, call for the tow truck. Building more armor is not the way, now building a whole new HUMVEE made with titanium thats small that the suspention can hold the 4 ton armor. You got to pay hard to play hard. all im sain is that the FRAG6 is too much to add on.
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In the begining of the hummer AM General proposed much heavier armor. The government told them flat no so they got what they paid for. I don't see how anyone can blame AM General for the inferior hummer.
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HMMWV was designed as a replacement for the M880 Pickup truck, and M151A1/A2 Jeeps, M274 MULE, M715 Kaiser Jeep not as a Combat Fighting Vehicle.
Hell the M1114 was designed as a Peacekeeping Vehicle for MP's In Bosnia, Not Iraq style combat. |
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You make a good point, we should have looked at the German and Russian Military's and learned that troops need to be protected no matter where they are on the battle field !!!
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