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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Whether Tri-Care goes away, is taxed to the taxpayer on the portion of the premium the government pays, or remains the same is not clear ... but is among the many questions that voters should be asking as national health care is debated. Unfortunately ... these questions are NOT being asked as voters "line up" with their partisan, lock-step, talking points that they ultimately may come to regret down the road.

Your thread title is just as misleading as some on the other side of the issue ... what you cite in your comment has nothing to do with the proposal currently evolving in Congress.

While I lean heavily towards a national health care system, I believe there are a number of points that need to be addressed before one is put in place ...

1) Must require insurance of some type for all
2) Must be funded fairly so that all have a "dog in the fight"
3) Must provide an incentive for young, highly qualified, people to enter the health care field
4) Must provide an incentive for the use of cutting edge procedures and technology
5) Must provide a clear articulated transition from our current system to the new system ... that protects those of us that are already vested in a health insurance plan

This is not something that we should be winging or passing based on politics ... nor should it be opposed simply on the basis of ideology.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Whether Tri-Care goes away, is taxed to the taxpayer on the portion of the premium the government pays, or remains the same is not clear ... but is among the many questions that voters should be asking as national health care is debated. Unfortunately ... these questions are NOT being asked as voters "line up" with their partisan, lock-step, talking points that they ultimately may come to regret down the road.

Your thread title is just as misleading as some on the other side of the issue ... what you cite in your comment has nothing to do with the proposal currently evolving in Congress.

While I lean heavily towards a national health care system, I believe there are a number of points that need to be addressed before one is put in place ...

1) Must require insurance of some type for all
2) Must be funded fairly so that all have a "dog in the fight"
3) Must provide an incentive for young, highly qualified, people to enter the health care field
4) Must provide an incentive for the use of cutting edge procedures and technology
5) Must provide a clear articulated transition from our current system to the new system ... that protects those of us that are already vested in a health insurance plan

This is not something that we should be winging or passing based on politics ... nor should it be opposed simply on the basis of ideology.

I agree. While I don't think Obamas plan will make things worse, I sure don't expect to see a magic improvement. Like the earlier Clinton Plan, it's a wimp out compromise, that will require a lawyer to find out where you stand.

I would be sceptical of any health care plan that consists of entire books of information.

Dave

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Tricare will never go away. Why do you think they call it Tricare for life? I call it "Try to get care".

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Tricare will never go away. Why do you think they call it Tricare for life? I call it "Try to get care".

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Originally posted by RRR52:
Whether it is cutting necessary investment in defense as the world remains dangerous or grows moreso, or whether harming former and active military people, the obamanation, at philosophical heart, HATES the military and that for which we stand. We are a direct threat to their leftist weltanschauung. When these fools and knaves are thrown out of office, the next President with a fierce and sincere concern for the defense of this nation will be forced to make up for the lack of necessary spending. Then we'll hear and read how wasteful that responsible President is being. That's the polytickle beauty of the leftist, irresponsible agenda: you get to do what you want to buy votes from the simpleminded and subsequently make things doubly hard for those who come after you and are honest and responsible with the wealth geneated by the producers of the nation.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by RRR52:
Whether it is cutting necessary investment in defense as the world remains dangerous or grows moreso, or whether harming former and active military people, the obamanation, at philosophical heart, HATES the military and that for which we stand. We are a direct threat to their leftist weltanschauung. When these fools and knaves are thrown out of office, the next President with a fierce and sincere concern for the defense of this nation will be forced to make up for the lack of necessary spending. Then we'll hear and read how wasteful that responsible President is being. That's the polytickle beauty of the leftist, irresponsible agenda: you get to do what you want to buy votes from the simpleminded and subsequently make things doubly hard for those who come after you and are honest and responsible with the wealth geneated by the producers of the nation.

This from the crowd that condemned Clinton for cutting the Military, and had to wait for the Democrats to control Congress before the military was actully beefed up.

Meanwhile, the "wealth generated by the Nation" is invested in Indonesia and Thailand, although to be fair, the Democrats certainly had a Big hand in all of this subservience to the WTO.

But RRR52 doesn't have a problem with this, since International Corporate Monopolies,[Oooooo! Aaahhhhh! What monopolies would they be? Name them.] certainly aren't part of his collectivist paranoia. They just screw us,[Really? Exactly which company, exactly what circumstances. . . the usual leftist diatribe is unacceptable. Facts and figures required.] without the rhetoric... [Yowzah! So if Obama throws a little rhetorical flourish as he condemns the nation to an economic abyss that helps solidify his party's control, all is well, and the fools bend over in glee.]

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Originally posted by RRR52:
Scum who have mocked the service of those for whom this forum exists, who refused to serve their nation when their nation called, remain among the most despicable, worthless human beings allowed to contaminate our air.

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The Obama "National health Insurance" plan "should" abolish plans like Tri-Care and Medicare, ...

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Originally posted by jack_flats:
I have had the opportunity to participate in 2 other country's national health plans resulting in my family and myself being delivered excellent first-class care minus the horror story's connected to national care that AMA dudes and that those political types feasting on the medical lobbyist troughs want you to believe about this type of plan.

We American's need this type of national health .

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Originally posted by NEMESIS1960:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT SPAM AS IT CONCERNS ALL AMERICANS. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR POLITICAL BS TALKING POINTS. THIS IS THE TIME TO SET ASIDE PARTY LINES THIS ISSUE IS FAR TO IMPORTANT TO OURSELVES AND FUTURE AMERICANS TO SCREW IT UP.WE NEED A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN THAT IS DOABLE NOT SOME THROWN TOGETHER MISMASH PLAN THAT CONGRESS IS KNOWN FOR,THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME TABLE ON THIS PLAN...ITS DONE WHEN THEY HAVE A VIABLE WORKING PLAN THAT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME AND GIVE THE PEOPLE THE HEALTH CARE AS AMERICANS THEY DESERVE, AND CONGRESS SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IF THEY SCREW THIS UP WITH PARTISAN BS THEY WILL BE GONE FROM OFFICE NO MATTER WHAT PARTY THEY BELONG TO. AS A PEOPLE WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO SPEND YEARS AND LIVES TRYING TO FIX A FAULTY PLAN THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE.