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Originally posted by Thud357L:

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

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Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:


Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Ok, you are living proof that common sense aint very common!

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Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

You do know your post is silly? Obama made a major effort to manuver Kim into this present untenable position. And in a recent speech, he point blank said that unlike past Presidents, he's NOT going to let Kim bluff his way into getting more welfare.

So you think he first deliberately created a situation where Kim is right behind the eight ball, only to back down? You have a hell of lot more bias then most people if you can't even see this.

Dave

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Ok, you are living proof that common sense aint very common!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

You got that right they downsized our military by 500K,to increase the pay and lure volunteers using less troops to cover more ground. And now we will be forced to downsize again our already inadequate military due to excessive cost. When what we need is a draft with a pay rate that is affordable and sustainable. A civic duty where all serve and not a job with parity to the civillian sector the direction it is heading.
Everyone gets thier turn in the barrel and bites the bullet for a few years.

http://www.military.com/news/a...cuts.html?ESRC=eb.nl

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Originally posted by john2x:
To effectively knock out the US IT infrastructure, you would need a burst in the megaton range.


Im not so sure about that and all this EMP talk.
Im confused since I experienced a 6 MT air burst
over 54 years ago and there were no effects on the electronics or infrastructure. The Islands systems were unaffected desalinazation plant,communications, electronics, radar tracking, ect. The 7th fleets task force that ringed the Island with all the AEC test equiptment was unaffected also, So in reality I dont understand what changed? EMPs today are the same as they were then I would assume. So WTF are they talking about??

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Originally posted by L0A1:
I haven't a clue what people expect from Obama. Is he suppose to start a war over this?
Those that are slamming him for not reacting to Kim, think about it, what CAN he do? Those giving the President props, why, he isn't doing anything. Come on folks, stop looking with your partisan blinders on and understand that there is NOTHING he can do to NK.

Sheez, between the bashers and cheerleaders, is it no wonder this country is falling apart?

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Ok, you are living proof that common sense aint very common!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

You got that right they downsized our military by 500K,to increase the pay and lure volunteers using less troops to cover more ground. And now we will be forced to downsize again our already inadequate military due to excessive cost. When what we need is a draft with a pay rate that is affordable and sustainable. A civic duty where all serve and not a job with parity to the civillian sector the direction it is heading.
Everyone gets thier turn in the barrel and bites the bullet for a few years.

http://www.military.com/news/a...cuts.html?ESRC=eb.nl

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Originally posted by Grachus:

quote:

Originally posted by L0A1:
I haven't a clue what people expect from Obama. Is he suppose to start a war over this?
Those that are slamming him for not reacting to Kim, think about it, what CAN he do? Those giving the President props, why, he isn't doing anything. Come on folks, stop looking with your partisan blinders on and understand that there is NOTHING he can do to NK.

Sheez, between the bashers and cheerleaders, is it no wonder this country is falling apart?

I believe he's prepared to "risk" a war, in which most of the actual burden will be on the South, with us providing air support, and if necessary, nuclear support. Kim costs us enourmus amounts of money simply by exporting his technology to whomever is ready to fork over the cash.

He's succeded, where Bush and Clinton failed, in isolating the North from it's usual protectors.

I "think" he expects the North to fold, which in this case might be fatal to the regime. Dictatorships like Kims cannot take "The Great Leader" backing down. I believe Obama expects a collapse, but is ready for a worst case scenario.

I certainly don't want him to start a war, but I do expect him to do what he can to get rid of Kim. I didn't complain about Bush trying to get rid of Kim, I complained about the WAY he went about it. For years, using Boltan (who is almost as nuts as Kim) to be in charge of "negotiations." Now that didn't work to well.

Dave

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Originally posted by 6837602:

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
Hahahaha...so far the record for Demokratic leaders after JFK has been one of foreign policy weakness! LBJ: Vietnam! Carter: Iranian Hostage Crisis is a start! Clinton: Somalia, Rawanda, Saddam Hussien calling his hand all the time, Kobar towers, the Embassy attacks in Africa, Bombing of the USS Cole, failure to get UBL when Sudan would've handed him over to us, last but NOT least 911! Yeah, 911, it was his polices that set that up and his failure to do a proper "hand-off" to GWB,
So, as you can see, recent Demokratic Presidents are miserable in this field!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:

quote:

Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

quote:

Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

I think President Obama is on the case and near future events will prove as much. We've finally got a POTUS with balls and brains. Trying to portray him as a weakling only resonates with his right wing opposition who fervently hope for some catastrophe that in their wet dreams, will propel them back into a position which they have proved they are incapable of manning.

Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

I don't think Patreaus would touch the Republican brand with a ten foot pole. He's a very smart guy - like Obama.

Have a cold one, spinning is hard work. All those admins together won't top the sheer incompetence and damage to our military and economy done by the Bush admin.

All of the bad things that bad presidents of all parties did , in total, would not equal the damage bush did to our nation.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

quote:

Originally posted by L0A1:
I haven't a clue what people expect from Obama. Is he suppose to start a war over this?
Those that are slamming him for not reacting to Kim, think about it, what CAN he do? Those giving the President props, why, he isn't doing anything. Come on folks, stop looking with your partisan blinders on and understand that there is NOTHING he can do to NK.

Sheez, between the bashers and cheerleaders, is it no wonder this country is falling apart?

I believe he's prepared to "risk" a war, in which most of the actual burden will be on the South, with us providing air support, and if necessary, nuclear support. Kim costs us enourmus amounts of money simply by exporting his technology to whomever is ready to fork over the cash.

He's succeded, where Bush and Clinton failed, in isolating the North from it's usual protectors.

I "think" he expects the North to fold, which in this case might be fatal to the regime. Dictatorships like Kims cannot take "The Great Leader" backing down. I believe Obama expects a collapse, but is ready for a worst case scenario.

I certainly don't want him to start a war, but I do expect him to do what he can to get rid of Kim. I didn't complain about Bush trying to get rid of Kim, I complained about the WAY he went about it. For years, using Boltan (who is almost as nuts as Kim) to be in charge of "negotiations." Now that didn't work to well.

Dave

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
Simple Solution to this

Take Charlie Manson, and feed him Meth for 1 month

Drop him over Pyongyang and tell him Kimbunny has a Fat wallet and lots o' rock

Issue solved

quote:

Originally posted by L0A1:

quote:

Originally posted by Grachus:

quote:

Originally posted by L0A1:
I haven't a clue what people expect from Obama. Is he suppose to start a war over this?
Those that are slamming him for not reacting to Kim, think about it, what CAN he do? Those giving the President props, why, he isn't doing anything. Come on folks, stop looking with your partisan blinders on and understand that there is NOTHING he can do to NK.

Sheez, between the bashers and cheerleaders, is it no wonder this country is falling apart?

I believe he's prepared to "risk" a war, in which most of the actual burden will be on the South, with us providing air support, and if necessary, nuclear support. Kim costs us enourmus amounts of money simply by exporting his technology to whomever is ready to fork over the cash.

He's succeded, where Bush and Clinton failed, in isolating the North from it's usual protectors.

I "think" he expects the North to fold, which in this case might be fatal to the regime. Dictatorships like Kims cannot take "The Great Leader" backing down. I believe Obama expects a collapse, but is ready for a worst case scenario.

I certainly don't want him to start a war, but I do expect him to do what he can to get rid of Kim. I didn't complain about Bush trying to get rid of Kim, I complained about the WAY he went about it. For years, using Boltan (who is almost as nuts as Kim) to be in charge of "negotiations." Now that didn't work to well.

Dave

I agree with you for the most part. However, unless we use tactical nukes, the South wouldn't be able to hold the North back. Sheer numbers is in favor of NK and who is to say it wouldn't esculate or spread to a regional war. WW3 is a possibility with these actions.
Kim will be dead soon, I think President Obama should stay on Defense, keep the rhetoric low and let Kim bury himself.

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Created in 1948, following the division of the Korean Peninsula by occupying Soviet and U.S. forces, the Republic of Korea Armed Forces is one of the largest standing armed forces in the world with a reported personnel strength of 3,695,000 in 2008 (655,000 active force and 3,040,000 regular reserve).[1]
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_South_Korea"