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Originally posted by Duster6:
It would take more than 2,000 nukes with at least a war head 20 times larger than the ones dropped on Japan in 1945 to wipe out the United States. Some how I don't think NK has that many Nukes.

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With only a handful of su-37s and their best tank being a t62, there really isn't much he can do conventionally.

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Originally posted by PhoenixDark:
As I've said in another thread, I suspect that China will wind up taking Kim Jong Il down before we do.

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Originally posted by L0A1:

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Originally posted by john2x:
Kim is a madman leading a starving nation and would appreciate losing a few million souls. Its all about blackmail and Bush caved so now there testing Obama. He is dangerous because he needs the blackmail or a war to thin the population. If its war, Preferably a long conventional war since thats one they can survive.

All the Presidents caved, not just Bush. Please, stop being partisan.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope2:
Tomorrow, June 25, will be the 59th anniversary of NK's attack on SK. It's also the 133rd anniversary of Custer's defeat at the Little Big Horn. Perhaps June 25th portends to be a propitious day for Kim Chong-il to launch his attack on the United States.

It is said that Kim Chong-il wrote the lyrics to the following children's song, titled We Have Nothing to Envy in the World

Skies are blue and my heart is joyful.
Play the accordian
Wonderful is my fatherland
Where the people live harmoniously.
Our father is Marshal Kim Il-sung.
Our abode is the bosum of the Party.
We are brothers and sisters.
We have nothing to envy in the world.

North Korea and Kim the Second have little to lose but people. He is unpredictable. It would not surprise me if NK would attack any US or SK military force that attempts to halt or board a NK ship at sea. That would be a provocation tantamount to war. I dare say the US would do the same to any foreign nation attempting to halt or board a US ship at sea (the exception would be Israel which we permitted to attack the USS Liberty with impunity).

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
I hope they do! God knows that our POTUS is way over his head in this arena!

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Originally posted by PhoenixDark:
As I've said in another thread, I suspect that China will wind up taking Kim Jong Il down before we do.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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With only a handful of su-37s and their best tank being a t62, there really isn't much he can do conventionally.

Actually, they are early model Su27s from the mid to late 80s. Should not be a problem for the F-15K's from BVR.

As far as what the North could really do to the US with a nuclear weapon? Probably high air burst for EMP to knock out the modern technology we take for granted. Next would be just to hit land anywhere on the West Coast and make a nuclear wasteland of it, especially some prime beachfront land in OC.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
I hope they do! God knows that our POTUS is way over his head in this arena!

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Originally posted by PhoenixDark:
As I've said in another thread, I suspect that China will wind up taking Kim Jong Il down before we do.

God knows that our POTUS is way over his head in this arena!

Most Presidents are and thats why they have Advisors and a JCS to gather information to evaluate consider the options and make informed decisions before running off half cocked.

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

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Originally posted by Airborneinfantry:
As long as we have Obama (Carter in disguise) it won't happen! Not when it comes to this!
Petreaus, 2012!

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Lil' Kim has been talking to the Mullahs. They need a distraction and knew they could count on the pot bellied booze hound. His reign is not going to survive a nuclear exchange and he knows it.

Just talking loud, ain't saying nothing.

However, I think it offers a good excuse to pimp slap the little creep and we should take it. China would publicly condemn this but would probably be more than willing to cooperate in the black. This would also tighten the spincters of the azzholes in Iran.

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Tough talk and costly swagger is all the right wing requires.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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My guess is...Russia and China would expect us not to react to a strike...and pacify the North Koreans at their behest...

not this time, they are both getting pretty tired of "Dear Leader's" antics. China will put their foot down if the pot bellied pig detonates another one although its a great way to make an artificial lake...well, if you dont mind 2 headed fish....

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Originally posted by 6837602:

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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My guess is...Russia and China would expect us not to react to a strike...and pacify the North Koreans at their behest...

not this time, they are both getting pretty tired of "Dear Leader's" antics. China will put their foot down if the pot bellied pig detonates another one although its a great way to make an artificial lake...well, if you dont mind 2 headed fish....

Does any one know who the real strong man is in North Korea? I don’t think it is the “dear leader”

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Originally posted by AirForceAggie:

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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With only a handful of su-37s and their best tank being a t62, there really isn't much he can do conventionally.

Actually, they are early model Su27s from the mid to late 80s. Should not be a problem for the F-15K's from BVR.

As far as what the North could really do to the US with a nuclear weapon? Probably high air burst for EMP to knock out the modern technology we take for granted. Next would be just to hit land anywhere on the West Coast and make a nuclear wasteland of it, especially some prime beachfront land in OC.

You're probably right about the flankers. As it is, it still reinforces my point that they can't do much conventionally. Even on the nuclear front, they can't do much with a threatened emp burst. Remember, all they have are modified scud missiles, which are really just theatre based weapons. It simply does not have the ability to go high enough in the atmosphere to cause an effective emp burst. Also, the yields of their nukes are measured in kilotons and not in megatons. To effectively knock out the US IT infrastructure, you would need a burst in the megaton range.

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Originally posted by nspreitler:

I wouldn't underestimate what they can do conventionally. A preemptive attack on them wouls prompt them to hit S Korea and US bases with artillery, and they have 30 brigades of artillery.

A fight with N Korea would not be easy. They have a robust air defense net, and if backed into a corner have stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that can be delivered via artillery.

They have a million man standing Army, and while their equipment, like the T-55 and T-62 (which are heavily modified) BMP-1, and BTR-60s, is outdated they do have a lot of leg infantry.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:
Kim Jong-il is a bag of wind ...