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If one of their planes gets shot down, we'll probably stick our noise that business also. I'm starting to think that the Israelis know we'll help them if anything happens. Got to love it. Our government will probably sell them some of our stealth technology.
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No, we'll probably give it to them, at which time they will gleefully sell it to the Chinese. |
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You guys have it ALL wrongo. It should have read, "Israelis Drop A Nuke On Syria For Their Terrorist Involvement Against Israel, And Israel Popped Iran Too !  " |
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Sounds all good. Israel is our only ally in the Middle East. Does anyone on this post think we should stick our heads in the dirt and pretend radical Islam will just mind their own business and leave us alone, just like they have in the past 20 years? Exactly ! I didn't think anyone would be that naive. Yeah, let's just pull'em all out and the radicals that have stated emphatically that we are going to be killed either sooner or later, no difference to them, and you keep on thinking it will be later...in your dreams. Radical Islam is after us at the speed of light. |
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When a man wants to murder a tiger he called it sports. When the tiger turns to murder him he called it ferocity, surely the distinction between crime and justice is no greater.
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Ahh, your past participles and gerunds are seriously in error. I still understood?? what you were saying when you said it...I think? Now what were you saying? Are you philosiphizing? I am not being critical, I am just confused because I have a Phd in the stuff you're talking about, but I felt like I wasn't getting it...? |
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SP Five O, there is a reason we don't include Israel in deals like the F22 or JSF, while we will include countries like Canada, GB, or Australia... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/200...-050817-34bd5f22.htm Yeah. We'll give them stealth technology, just as soon as we want the Chinese to have it. We might as well give Israel an extra few billion dollars and send a Raptor each to Beijing ourselves to cut out the middleman. Some ally. |
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Remember the U.S.S. Liberty? The Israelis openly fired on a clearly marked USN intelligence ship in international waters. Close to 40 sailors were killed and many other wounded. According to one of the survivors, the Israeli helicopters were hovering around the ship and firing on ship and specifically targeting the life boats so there would be no survivors in event the ship sank.
An admiral with a carrier task force was sending U.S. Naval fighter to assist the Liberty, but that PIG of a President, Lyndon Johnson ordered the admiral to call his aircraft back. The ship was severely damaged but made it out of harms way. The crew was sworn to secrecy about this event, but after about 20 years started to talk about the attack by the Israelis. Israel has not ever acknowledged that they did it on purpose even though the ship was clearly marked flying the large ensign on the stern of the ship. The ship was an intelligence ship with antennas everywhere, the Arab states did not even have a ship that resembled this ship. It is believed that the Israelis fired on the ship because it was capable of intercepting transmission that would prove that Israel was in violation of the cease fire during the Six Day war. At the time of the attack on the Liberty, Israel was advancing troops in violation of the cease fire. |
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^^^It could be possible that they were in a war for their very lives as a nation and people and just didn't trust anyone.
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Agred, how do the they dare shoot at our planes then we bomb them.....what a provocation Then we com into the philosophy question, can you justify a preemptive strike? |
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Seriously, whose side are you on? |
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I was pointing out an alternative viewpoint. Did you serve in the US Military? Did you go to Iraq? Did you have friends die? Don't ask me whose side I'm on. It would be obvious if your head wasn't so far up your ***. You're just another anonymous liberal spewing your crap all over these forums. I feel sorry for you, you have to be the most brainwashed liberal I've seen in a while. |
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Incorrect. First of all, there is an alternative PoV-that it was a mistake. The issue was debated all over this site, so feel free to search. Short summarization-IDF soldiers were tired after 4 days of constant fighting, so they made a mistake. Officially the issue is closed. If you want to pursue a new investigation-feel free. About the choppers attacking Liberty. For me it is a novelty. I know that Liberty was attacked unprovoked by jets, and attacked by ships (after Liberty fired at them with MG). Cease fire was agreed upon much later than Liberty accident. 2145 vs 1354. Black Ops could be the reason for possible planned Liberty attack, but not cease fire. |
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We basically gave israel their military. How much do we give them a year in foreign aid? How much critical intelligence have we provided for Israel? How much military hardware have we given them in the past? If they bought anything or developed it, it came from the 10+ billion dollars we give them every year.
So if you think is alright to fire on a USN ship because they may not trust us, your values are messed up. I am sick of hearing that Israel is a stabilizing force in the Mid-East, when in fact, Israel has been a destabilizing factor in the Mid-East. Also, Israel has been spying on the U.S. for years and have established false-flag ops in the U.S. |
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Officially the investigation may be dead, but the issue isn't. About the only response most of us want to hear about the Liberty is "we fu**ed up", which the Israeli government already said. It's a done issue for them, because they apologized and sent reperations to the families. It's not a done deal for many Americans, not because it was a single terrible event (whether intentional or not), but it is just one of the flags we wave concerning the Israel/America relationship. Look at it from our point of view: We have a marked ship in international waters, and Israel fires on it. We have to make Israel sign agreements that they will consult with us before you sell our military technology to China. We gloss over the spying. We gloss over the blatant UN resolution violations. S**t, man, we've invaded countries over that sort of thing. |
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Seems like some of the revisionists are active as to the liberty, politics or time or any personal gripe, to deny the testimony of your own surviving Navy men while they are still living is smarmy at best.
It was posted on various sites yesterday linked to the BBC that the Iraelis did an airstrike after detecting a syrian -iranian military operation at the area hit. |
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To Panzer Meister:
Obviously, you have not done any research on the attack of the Liberty. If you had, you would have known that there were helicopters involved. At first the Israeli helicopter crews were waving and smiling at the U.S. Navy sailors on the deck of the Liberty. They departed and came back firing. Jets were also involved. There was no mistaken identity, this was a deliberate attack on a U.S. warship. Why don't you read the accounts of the sailors that were victimized by the Israelis during this incident. Next time you play chess with a master, don't forget to bring your queen. |
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Speaking of which, what's up with the Israeli "Art Students" who were busted just after 9/11? Also, what's up with Urban Moving Systems? Why do we have a moving company whose workers were arrested celebrating the 9/11 attacks found with traces of explosives in their trucks who then up and flee to Israel? Oh, and they were former (current?) Mossad? Just asking  |
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I do not agree with our arms sale to china. It is pretty stupid. And i have never said that i agree 100% with my gov. From your PoV you are 100% right. |
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What you are doing is trying to infer that Israel blew up the WTC's. That makes you a complete moron, but we all knew that anyway. |
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