The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

Say what you want to about Iraq. If my military is there then I am behind them no matter what.

Personally, I don't think the Iraq people are one bit grateful for what we tried to do for them at great cost to us and so for all I care they could have stayed under that wacko and his two sadistic sons rule.

As for Saddam being one guy and taken out???

That is like saying Kim of NK is one guy, I'madinerjacket of Iran is one guy...

They are the head of a beast, a monster, that feed off American's to live.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

quote:

Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

And why should we have taken him out or gone to war over his invasion of Kuwait?

What business is it of our government to interfere in the national policies of foreign nations in the first place?

None that I can see.

What are you going to say twenty, thirty years down the road when China or some other nation has the military might and the kahones to feel the same way our government seems too now about the US government and acts upon that belief?

I think the smart thing for our government to do now is back off stay out of the affairs of other nations and as Thomas Jefferson said:

(paraphrase) "Commerce with all nations, alliences with none."

Many on this board seem to feel that the actions of our government involving foreign affairs are justified, I however do not.

Let me reword my previous post, for it does not matter whether George Bush, Obama or whomever is President.

I feel that the government of the United States has become a far greater threat to peace in the world now than the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and her allies could have ever been in their times.

We like they in their time are merely after natural resources - however unlike them we have our own - we just won't use them. Freedom of Kuwait and other nations has nothing to do with our invasion of Iraq.

Our government has also become a far greater threat to our own freedoms as guaranteed by the Constitution than any foreign nation or religion could ever be. And we the people have allowed this to happen through our indifference.

I feel that either we get control of our government, politicians, etc., or we will live under the worst totalitarian, freedom hating, militaristic, aggressive government that has existed since Nazi Germany.

And by it's sheer size will be capable of inflicting on this earth a far worse holocaust than Germany, and her allies could ever hope too.

To paraphrase an editorial on Lew Rockwell.com this morning. That is why I love America and despise the actions of my government.

Oh and everybody, go ahead and denagrate my service to this nation as was done in another thread. My service was in another time when in my opinion our government still had some common sense, respect for it's citizens, and honor.

IMO it has none of the above now and unlike my Father in his nation and time, I will speak out, and I will not be silenced!

Or I will have to live with the same type of guilt he has lived with for sixty plus years.

Oh and Happy Fourth Guys, too bad most Americans have forgotten what we celebrate, why, and the sacrifice of our Founding Fathers and many generations since.

Frisco

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

Say what you want to about Iraq. If my military is there then I am behind them no matter what.

What does that have to do with the question?

Why nothing at all.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
Personally, I don't think the Iraq people are one bit grateful for what we tried to do for them at great cost to us and so for all I care they could have stayed under that wacko and his two sadistic sons rule.

Which of course means that that's One of the reasons our military shouldn't have been there in the first place

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
As for Saddam being one guy and taken out???

That is like saying Kim of NK is one guy, I'madinerjacket of Iran is one guy...

They are the head of a beast, a monster, that feed off American's to live.

Ahmadinajad, doesn't rate up there with a taco. He's just the flunky of the Mullahs.

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth One American Life.

Iraq was a total and complete diversion from the War on terror. The main beneficiaries are Iran, who doesn't have to worry about him anymore, and Al Qaeda, who he massacred every chance he got. In fact, Al Qaeda would have paid us to get rid of Sadaam. We did them the favor for free.

And the reason we haven't been hit again, is because they don't want to hit us again. They're certainly not capable of hijacking planes again - And if Mr. Bush had paid attention to the warnings that piled up on his desk, they wouldn't have been able to do it the first time.

Dave

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

quote:

Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

Say what you want to about Iraq. If my military is there then I am behind them no matter what.

Personally, I don't think the Iraq people are one bit grateful for what we tried to do for them at great cost to us and so for all I care they could have stayed under that wacko and his two sadistic sons rule.

As for Saddam being one guy and taken out???

That is like saying Kim of NK is one guy, I'madinerjacket of Iran is one guy...

They are the head of a beast, a monster, that feed off American's to live.

USA don't pay too much attention to those that won't see past the end of next week. Ole Saddam was one member of a large group thinking of the Ummah repeating the 7th Century. It was easy for him and his kind to sway the Muslim public for they had victory after victory due to the western thought pattern. Don 't worry they said, America will quit and we'll return to what we were doing. Since the 70's there's was a one sided war with the west that practice pacificism. The understanding then as now won't allow them to share the belief there is any lack bad people in the world, just misunderstood. Even President Clinton had some good idea's on the mentality of several hundred million that were being manipulated by Saddam, Kings, Iman, Mullahs, Ayatollahs, with direct access to the Mosque in every land from Mecca to all points of the compass. Not to be confused it was not regulated to Iraq but from north Africa to the Philippines. At least some of them have got the message, and the good lord knows citizens of Iran was making it known just a week ago, other countries have established representative governments and even women are having a voice, unheard of a decade ago. Without the presence of the international committed troops 911 would have been repeated and anarchy ruling on every continent including ours. The trouble with the naysayers is they lost and can't get over it, there are things bigger than themselves.

This nonsense was old in 2006. Must be a slow news day.

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

Say what you want to about Iraq. If my military is there then I am behind them no matter what.

Personally, I don't think the Iraq people are one bit grateful for what we tried to do for them at great cost to us and so for all I care they could have stayed under that wacko and his two sadistic sons rule.

As for Saddam being one guy and taken out???

That is like saying Kim of NK is one guy, I'madinerjacket of Iran is one guy...

They are the head of a beast, a monster, that feed off American's to live.

USA don't pay too much attention to those that won't see past the end of next week. Ole Saddam was one member of a large group thinking of the Ummah repeating the 7th Century. It was easy for him and his kind to sway the Muslim public for they had victory after victory due to the western thought pattern. Don 't worry they said, America will quit and we'll return to what we were doing. Since the 70's there's was a one sided war with the west that practice pacificism. The understanding then as now won't allow them to share the belief there is any lack bad people in the world, just misunderstood. Even President Clinton had some good idea's on the mentality of several hundred million that were being manipulated by Saddam, Kings, Iman, Mullahs, Ayatollahs, with direct access to the Mosque in every land from Mecca to all points of the compass. Not to be confused it was not regulated to Iraq but from north Africa to the Philippines. At least some of them have got the message, and the good lord knows citizens of Iran was making it known just a week ago, other countries have established representative governments and even women are having a voice, unheard of a decade ago. Without the presence of the international committed troops 911 would have been repeated and anarchy ruling on every continent including ours. The trouble with the naysayers is they lost and can't get over it, there are things bigger than themselves.

Ahh, the return of the one size fits all, Giant Muslim Boggyman Monster! Often thought dead, just like the "Evil Bush took down the WTC" creature, it is destroyed only to rise again. And like magic, all the intra Islamic conflicts and basic differences, vanish in a cloud of terror.

DUh Muslims are coming to get you, take your booze and dancing away, wrap de woman in de Burkhas, and bang your head five times a day to Mecca! Why, it's the Mecca of ALL Boggymen!

And behold, it rises again!

Dave

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

Say what you want to about Iraq. If my military is there then I am behind them no matter what.

What does that have to do with the question?

Why nothing at all.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
Personally, I don't think the Iraq people are one bit grateful for what we tried to do for them at great cost to us and so for all I care they could have stayed under that wacko and his two sadistic sons rule.

Which of course means that that's One of the reasons our military shouldn't have been there in the first place

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
As for Saddam being one guy and taken out???

That is like saying Kim of NK is one guy, I'madinerjacket of Iran is one guy...

They are the head of a beast, a monster, that feed off American's to live.

Ahmadinajad, doesn't rate up there with a taco. He's just the flunky of the Mullahs.

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth One American Life.

Iraq was a total and complete diversion from the War on terror. The main beneficiaries are Iran, who doesn't have to worry about him anymore, and Al Qaeda, who he massacred every chance he got. In fact, Al Qaeda would have paid us to get rid of Sadaam. We did them the favor for free.

And the reason we haven't been hit again, is because they don't want to hit us again. They're certainly not capable of hijacking planes again - And if Mr. Bush had paid attention to the warnings that piled up on his desk, they wouldn't have been able to do it the first time.

Dave

Uh huh and if slick willie would have taken bin laden out then maybe Bush would not have had to worry about if the warnings were fact or fiction.

And if they don't want to hit us again, we have we broken up several attempts here in the US since 9/11?

I am not going to argue about if we got lazy as a country or not because we did. Our intel and the rest of the world for that matter.

Iraq might have been a bad move for focusing on bin laden and afganistan but I would think all those people that were tortured under Saddam and his boys are very happy that the US removed him.

So, you think if we had never gone to Iraq and just been focused on Afganistan the war on terror would be over?

We are there now and I just bet you we have to chase them across to Pakistan and Iran at some point because that is where they will run and hide.

Even Obama knows that Pakistan is an issue.

As for my additional comment with regard to my military, I can add my own thoughts any time I want.

My point in my comment of supporting them no matter where they are is because I don't always know what they are up to, nor do you or the left or the media, so if they are there then I am supporting them.

No way am I going to let you all make out all their hard work in Iraq into nothing and dismissing it as a waste.

It might not have been the best call but as long as they went in then they were going to do something good.

At least now they have a chance at a better life, now it is up to them.

I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

I guess this is just another thing that we will have to agree to disagree on.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:


As for my additional comment with regard to my military, I can add my own thoughts any time I want.

My point in my comment of supporting them no matter where they are is because I don't always know what they are up to, nor do you or the left or the media, so if they are there then I am supporting them.

I'm sorry I tried to censor you. Did the Police I ordered to go over to your house break anything? If so, I apologise...

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
No way am I going to let you all make out all their hard work in Iraq into nothing and dismissing it as a waste.

What I think doesn't make anything a "waste," and what you think, doesn't make something worthwhile.

Events take place, and neither you nor I control them. In fact USA Girl, reality is a cruel teacher, and Mr. Bush leanrned that with all the power of our military, he too didn't control events.

"The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry."

I notice your anger at the Iraqis for celebrating our departure. Get over it. They didn't ask us to liberate them in the first place.

Dave

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I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

That IMO was the biggest issue the left was pushing. I want to know where this free oil is that we took? Looks to me like we are paying out the ying yang for it, why if we took all of Iraq's oil?

Oh and Dave, Bush I promised it, we just didn't because he listened to NATO. Bush II finished what his father promised........

I just have to ask this: Do you not think it is justified to take out someone who kills as many a S.H. did? He and his sons were not model citizens BTW.... If he did that to his fellow countrymen, could he have not devised something to be done on our ground? IMO, he was a very serious threat and had to be taken out. 911 changed a whole lot of things and we needed to be proactive instead of passive IMO.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
The Iraq War was the biggest scam any sitting President will ever place on the plate of the American people.

I would tend to agree. He was only one guy who could have been taken out in any number of ways without the loss of a single American's (or Iraqi's) life.

And bin Laden is only one guy. I don't see Nobama withdrawing our troops, and "taking him out".

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

That IMO was the biggest issue the left was pushing. I want to know where this free oil is that we took? Looks to me like we are paying out the ying yang for it, why if we took all of Iraq's oil?

Oh and Dave, Bush I promised it, we just didn't because he listened to NATO. Bush II finished what his father promised........

I just have to ask this: Do you not think it is justified to take out someone who kills as many a S.H. did? He and his sons were not model citizens BTW.... If he did that to his fellow countrymen, could he have not devised something to be done on our ground? IMO, he was a very serious threat and had to be taken out. 911 changed a whole lot of things and we needed to be proactive instead of passive IMO.

Here's what I said:

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth one American life.

Now, truth to be told that is not quite accurate I have no objections to the CIA doing their best to aid Iraqi resistance, which in fact might have meant some CIA person risking his azz.

But come on Woody, you know as well as I do that while Sadaam was murdering millions of Iranians, we were giving him all the help, short of outright war, that we could. Now all of a sudden we're going to be the big moral hero's and risk our National Security to get rid of him?

I have a LONG list of world dictators and all around scum that I want dead. So what?

Dave

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:


As for my additional comment with regard to my military, I can add my own thoughts any time I want.

My point in my comment of supporting them no matter where they are is because I don't always know what they are up to, nor do you or the left or the media, so if they are there then I am supporting them.

I'm sorry I tried to censor you. Did the Police I ordered to go over to your house break anything? If so, I apologise...

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
No way am I going to let you all make out all their hard work in Iraq into nothing and dismissing it as a waste.

What I think doesn't make anything a "waste," and what you think, doesn't make something worthwhile.

Events take place, and neither you nor I control them. In fact USA Girl, reality is a cruel teacher, and Mr. Bush leanrned that with all the power of our military, he too didn't control events.

"The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry."

I notice your anger at the Iraqis for celebrating our departure. Get over it. They didn't ask us to liberate them in the first place.

Dave

No worries Dave, I am tough and can stick up for myself when someone is trying to censor me, after all, I am an American!

As for my beef with the Iraqis, I will get over it when I darn well feel like it.

As for not wanting us to be there, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

Their loss, not mine.

Only thing I lost is any respect for them and before you write back, I don't care what they think of me or the US, I will take being an American over any other country, anytime, anyday.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

That IMO was the biggest issue the left was pushing. I want to know where this free oil is that we took? Looks to me like we are paying out the ying yang for it, why if we took all of Iraq's oil?

Oh and Dave, Bush I promised it, we just didn't because he listened to NATO. Bush II finished what his father promised........

I just have to ask this: Do you not think it is justified to take out someone who kills as many a S.H. did? He and his sons were not model citizens BTW.... If he did that to his fellow countrymen, could he have not devised something to be done on our ground? IMO, he was a very serious threat and had to be taken out. 911 changed a whole lot of things and we needed to be proactive instead of passive IMO.

Here's what I said:

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth one American life.

Now, truth to be told that is not quite accurate I have no objections to the CIA doing their best to aid Iraqi resistance, which in fact might have meant some CIA person risking his azz.

But come on Woody, you know as well as I do that while Sadaam was murdering millions of Iranians, we were giving him all the help, short of outright war, that we could. Now all of a sudden we're going to be the big moral hero's and risk our National Security to get rid of him?

I have a LONG list of world dictators and all around scum that I want dead. So what?

Dave

so, what? so one scum at a time.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

That IMO was the biggest issue the left was pushing. I want to know where this free oil is that we took? Looks to me like we are paying out the ying yang for it, why if we took all of Iraq's oil?

Oh and Dave, Bush I promised it, we just didn't because he listened to NATO. Bush II finished what his father promised........

I just have to ask this: Do you not think it is justified to take out someone who kills as many a S.H. did? He and his sons were not model citizens BTW.... If he did that to his fellow countrymen, could he have not devised something to be done on our ground? IMO, he was a very serious threat and had to be taken out. 911 changed a whole lot of things and we needed to be proactive instead of passive IMO.

Here's what I said:

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth one American life.

Now, truth to be told that is not quite accurate I have no objections to the CIA doing their best to aid Iraqi resistance, which in fact might have meant some CIA person risking his azz.

But come on Woody, you know as well as I do that while Sadaam was murdering millions of Iranians, we were giving him all the help, short of outright war, that we could. Now all of a sudden we're going to be the big moral hero's and risk our National Security to get rid of him?

I have a LONG list of world dictators and all around scum that I want dead. So what?

Dave

so, what? so one scum at a time.

No offense. If I was younger, I would have gone to defend my country from Afghanistan. They attacked us after all. And I live right next door to the proof.

You planning on joining up to get rid of the King of Saudi Arabia?

I have no problem with aiding people who want to fight for their freedom, I had no idea there was anything in the US Constitution demanding that I force people to be free.

If you know more than I do, you can point out which amendment requires this.

Dave

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by usa_girl:

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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I am sick of hearing it was all about the oil by the way. We never paid so much for oil and we never took one darn thing from them for the US.

That IMO was the biggest issue the left was pushing. I want to know where this free oil is that we took? Looks to me like we are paying out the ying yang for it, why if we took all of Iraq's oil?

Oh and Dave, Bush I promised it, we just didn't because he listened to NATO. Bush II finished what his father promised........

I just have to ask this: Do you not think it is justified to take out someone who kills as many a S.H. did? He and his sons were not model citizens BTW.... If he did that to his fellow countrymen, could he have not devised something to be done on our ground? IMO, he was a very serious threat and had to be taken out. 911 changed a whole lot of things and we needed to be proactive instead of passive IMO.

Here's what I said:

Getting rid of Sadaam wasn't worth one American life.

Now, truth to be told that is not quite accurate I have no objections to the CIA doing their best to aid Iraqi resistance, which in fact might have meant some CIA person risking his azz.

But come on Woody, you know as well as I do that while Sadaam was murdering millions of Iranians, we were giving him all the help, short of outright war, that we could. Now all of a sudden we're going to be the big moral hero's and risk our National Security to get rid of him?

I have a LONG list of world dictators and all around scum that I want dead. So what?

Dave

so, what? so one scum at a time.

No offense. If I was younger, I would have gone to defend my country from Afghanistan. They attacked us after all. And I live right next door to the proof.

You planning on joining up to get rid of the King of Saudi Arabia?

I have no problem with aiding people who want to fight for their freedom, I had no idea there was anything in the US Constitution demanding that I force people to be free.

If you know more than I do, you can point out which amendment requires this.

Dave

I am too old too and I would be a lot like Private Benjamin anyway.

I just cheer the professionals on.

So, maybe we don't have photo's ops of people in Iraq saying, America help us, this time or maybe some did, who knows.

However, it was loud and clear when many in Iran were calling for America to help them and many a while back from Georgia to come and help them, and how many others?

Re-heated left over hash potatos and spam....

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Count it as offense, but some of the dumbest statements made by one that lives in the shadows of the twin towers, admonishes anyone that would deem them part of their country for he thinks them to be privately owned. Now he says the Muslims are not boogey men but well adjusted.
Thanks for the humor Dave. I can picture you running over the hills of Tora Bora waving your flag and monkey wrench, brings a tear to my eyes.
Won't defend his country in Vietnam, Iraq or a dozen other places but straining at the bit to get to Afghanistan. Who are you kidding?

Like I've said, your weak arguements really become impotent when you get on a personal level. Funny, but lacking the John Wayne swagger.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:


However, it was loud and clear when many in Iran were calling for America to help them and many a while back from Georgia to come and help them, and how many others?

I haven't heard from any Iranians or Georgians who asked us to invade their countries.

Last time I checked we are giving Georgia all the help we can in the form of military and economic aid.

As for the Iranians, they don't want us to do more than we already have.
"http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1454&Itemid=2"

Dave