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Maybe GW can have sleepovers with Kim Jong-il now.

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The announcement at the White House came after North Korea handed over a long-awaited accounting of its nuclear work to Chinese officials on Thursday, fulfilling a key step in the denuclearization process.
Bush called the declaration a positive step along a long road to get the nation to give up its nuclear weapons.

Looks like we're getting our way through diplomacy.

I'll bet the chickenhawks are really disappointed right now.

Object lesson to any potential "Axes of Evil": "Get an A-bomb, then you'll be a 'friend'." That's 'diplomacy' at work.

CC: Britain, Russia, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, PRK.

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Originally posted by Motive25:
Looks like we're getting our way through diplomacy.

I'll bet the chickenhawks are really disappointed right now.

Yeah, you're abso-freakin'-lutely right. Stupid, but right. Be well.

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Originally posted by popsiq:
Object lesson to any potential "Axes of Evil": "Get an A-bomb, then you'll be a 'friend'." That's 'diplomacy' at work.

CC: Britain, Russia, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, PRK.

You forgot the part about starving your population while you are getting the bomb.

The point is people were getting on the administration for not using diplomacy. Now that they did, the same groups are assailing the administration for using diplomacy.

Whatever means were used, if it succeeds in the Korean penninsula becoming nuclear free and takes the material the DPRK has "off the streets" it is a good thing.

Ermmm are we not trying the same thing through the EU right now? It isn't working either, is it.....

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Originally posted by sw614:


The point is people were getting on the administration for not using diplomacy. Now that they did, the same groups are assailing the administration for using diplomacy.

It only took them eight years- after first deriding all previous diplomatic attempts and nearly provoking a crisis with that "axis of evil" nonsense.

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Originally posted by Motive25:

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Originally posted by sw614:


The point is people were getting on the administration for not using diplomacy. Now that they did, the same groups are assailing the administration for using diplomacy.

It only took them eight years- after first deriding all previous diplomatic attempts and nearly provoking a crisis with that "axis of evil" nonsense.

I don't think people are "deriding" the administration. But it's funny as hell to see all their spokespersons telling us on one hand, that negotiating IS appeasment, and then out of the other side of their mouth announcing a diplomatic success.

And while I have no use for the Iranian Mullahs, they are virtually Saints next to Kim Jung Il...

Dave

The only reason this is working is because the U.S. (and not the laughable E.U.) is spearheading this initiative.

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Originally posted by Motive25:

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Originally posted by sw614:


The point is people were getting on the administration for not using diplomacy. Now that they did, the same groups are assailing the administration for using diplomacy.

It only took them eight years- after first deriding all previous diplomatic attempts and nearly provoking a crisis with that "axis of evil" nonsense.

Actually, I think the "Axis of Evil" comment as directed towards the DPRK just might of had some influence on the direction events took. Recent devlopments should leave us in a better position now then what previous administrations achieved. Let's hope so.

We have been sparring with the DPRK for over 50 years over a variety of issues and incidents. Normally, it ended up with us making concessions after getting our chain yanked.

Here we go again. North Korea was starving. They were shut off from the world. Nothing they did cost us. So they were building a Nuke plant. So what if they fired off a shot somewhere. It would have been their last shot they ever fired. Now we will have to support them for the next 40 years until they become another South Korea or Japan and then they can flood our markets with their crap and put more Americans out of work. Why can't we just leave these countries alone to their own fate? I guess next we will be rebuilding Somalia.

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Here we go again. North Korea was starving. They were shut off from the world. Nothing they did cost us. So they were building a Nuke plant. So what if they fired off a shot somewhere. It would have been their last shot they ever fired. Now we will have to support them for the next 40 years until they become another South Korea or Japan and then they can flood our markets with their crap and put more Americans out of work. Why can't we just leave these countries alone to their own fate? I guess next we will be rebuilding Somalia.

.........so much for fixing America's world image.....

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Originally posted by jrnh5150:
Story.

Maybe GW can have sleepovers with Kim Jong-il now.

This is an incredible "stupid" comment!

Why would President Bush want to have "sleepovers" in North Korea?

Only "Gossipers;" attempt to promote such nonsense.

In 2005, in the six-country talks (China, U.S., Japan, Russia, South Korea and North Korea) agreed to a "Series Of Steps" towards denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

One of the steps was North Korea was to turn over a "complete" declaration of its Nuclear Programs. This is currently what they claim to have turned over to the 6 country group.

In return, the United States would "move" towards lifting sanctions against North Korea.

The U.S. has done so.

China has the lead on verification of the North Korea Documents and most experts DO NOT EXPECT verification of what the North Koreans have turned over. We won't hear for about six months; and, that's when U.S. Sanctions would actually be lifted (If they are ever lifted).

See News Stories at:

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?st...source=features_box2


http://www.nypost.com/seven/06272008/postopinion/opedco...get_giddy_117426.htm


From A Proud Vietnam Veteran

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Here we go again. North Korea was starving. They were shut off from the world. Nothing they did cost us. So they were building a Nuke plant. So what if they fired off a shot somewhere. It would have been their last shot they ever fired. Now we will have to support them for the next 40 years until they become another South Korea or Japan and then they can flood our markets with their crap and put more Americans out of work. Why can't we just leave these countries alone to their own fate? I guess next we will be rebuilding Somalia.

We will see in a year or so that the North Koreans stiffed us again - but it will be the new President's fault.

They may have blown up that cooling tower, but that's no big deal. That can be quickly rebuilt. Also, I don't think they gave up any of the material that they already produced. And who knows what else they have in secret.

This is not over, not by any means...

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Originally posted by WesLemmon:

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Originally posted by jrnh5150:
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Maybe GW can have sleepovers with Kim Jong-il now.

This is an incredible "stupid" comment!

Why would President Bush want to have "sleepovers" in North Korea?

Really? You think it's a stupid comment? Well I think it's stupid to lift sanctions on North Korea. I think it's stupid to give in to leaders of Nations who kill their own people to further their own political agenda. I think it's stupid to think that just because North Korea blew up a cooling tower that all of the sudden their good enough to deal with the rest of the civilized world.

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I think it's stupid to give in to leaders of Nations who kill their own people to further their own political agenda. I think it's stupid to think that just because North Korea blew up a cooling tower that all of the sudden their good enough to deal with the rest of the civilized world.

What's stupid is thinking that we must get 100% our way or the highway in every diplomatic problem that arises. They concede we concede. Diplomacy 101. Do I think President Bush is doing a particularly good job? No. I think he's doing too much too early. Oh well. Any progress is progress right now.

If we can stare down the USSR, we can stare down Uncle Kim and his firecracker.

And oh please...killing their own people? We really don't have a problem when the Saudis or Chinese kill their own people. We hardly batted an eye at the Soviets back in the day, Saddam back in the day, et al when they killed their own people. We still had open diplomatic channels. Interests are interests. Real world is the real world.

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Originally posted by goarmy06:

And oh please...killing their own people? We really don't have a problem when the Saudis or Chinese kill their own people. We hardly batted an eye at the Soviets back in the day, Saddam back in the day, et al when they killed their own people. We still had open diplomatic channels. Interests are interests. Real world is the real world.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think it sucks, but that's the real world. Get a helmet, ya know? We can't make everything go our way, so we have to deal with the cards we're dealt. We have a crappy hand in the DPRK, that's for sure.

I'd would've like some serious verification on this nuke issue before we lifted sanctions, especially after that Syrian reactor was attacked. That's what I care about...protecting our interests. If the NK's starve, that really sucks, I feel for them. But we still have to deal with their government and get this resolved in a way that is acceptable to US and OUR interests.

Sorry; jrnh5150 -- I sure your opinion is based on a lot of information. But, the 6-Country negotiation group has a different opinion and their opinion trumps your opinion. That's just how life is! It's not Fair; I understand -- but; just learn to accept it.

This is what the President Said:

"The six-party talks are based on a principle of "action for action." So in keeping with the existing six-party agreements, the United States is responding to North Korea's actions with two actions of our own:

First, I'm issuing a proclamation that lifts the provisions of the Trading with the Enemy Act with respect to North Korea.

And secondly, I am notifying Congress of my intent to rescind North Korea's designation as a state sponsor of terror in 45 days. The next 45 days will be an important period for North Korea to show its seriousness of its cooperation. We will work through the six-party talks to develop a comprehensive and rigorous verification protocol. And during this period, the United States will carefully observe North Korea's actions -- and act accordingly.

The two actions America is taking will have little impact on North Korea's financial and diplomatic isolation. North Korea will remain one of the most heavily sanctioned nations in the world. The sanctions that North Korea faces for its human rights violations, its nuclear test in 2006, and its weapons proliferation will all stay in effect. And all United Nations Security Council sanctions will stay in effect as well.

The six-party process has shed light on a number of issues of serious concern to the United States and the international community. To end its isolation, North Korea must address these concerns. It must dismantle all of its nuclear facilities, give up its separated plutonium, resolve outstanding questions on its highly enriched uranium and proliferation activities, and end these activities in a way that we can fully verify."

We understand jrnh5150; that in your well informed opinion, you believe it is stupid.

Me, I'll accept the logic of the 6-Country negotiation group on the matter.

From A Proud Vietnam Veteran

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Originally posted by jrnh5150:

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Originally posted by WesLemmon:

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Originally posted by jrnh5150:
Story.

Maybe GW can have sleepovers with Kim Jong-il now.

This is an incredible "stupid" comment!

Why would President Bush want to have "sleepovers" in North Korea?

Really? You think it's a stupid comment? Well I think it's stupid to lift sanctions on North Korea. I think it's stupid to give in to leaders of Nations who kill their own people to further their own political agenda. I think it's stupid to think that just because North Korea blew up a cooling tower that all of the sudden their good enough to deal with the rest of the civilized world.