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The anthrax had to have come from a US facility because the water used to process the anthrax spores came from a source in the northeastern United States.
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Here's what's happened to the price of oil as the result of Bush's folly, so no, I don't like it. Well, I guess I don't know how to paste an image. :sad: This message has been edited. Last edited by: GavriloPrincip322, |
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Not necessarily true. Could have come from overseas and been processed in the US. In any event, my challenge is to your stating on the duplicate thread that it was an "unauthorized departure" from Detrick. You have no basis for making such a statement. |
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You know as well as I that the anthrax mailing was part of an orchestrated propaganda campaign designed to introduce the American public to the horrors of WMDs when they were at their most vulnerable: right after 9/11. The White House started taking Cipro on 9/11 (as evidenced by the Judicial Watch lawsuit), so what did they know about the anthrax mailings? |
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You been listening to the news lately? Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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In fact, Russia was just snooping around Norwegian airspace just the other day (like yesterday...). Although they were keeping to international airspace, why would they start flying all these Cold War-era flight paths again?
Just my two cents, Helen |
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A COUP?! Geeez! You've been watchin' way to many movies... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Another "Bush basher" suffering from "BDS"... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Mr. Putin is rebuilding the Russian military and these flights are designed to put "pride" back into a demoralized Russian military and populace! They should be watched! Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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You're using a computer made of plastic filled with polymer parts and electronic components that were made from petroleum based products. Your hardware got to you by way of petroleum products ranging from the soles on the roughneck's shoes when the well came in to the cargo ship that brought your RAM from Malaysia or whereever it came from. You're using a cable tv or telephone network that's made entirely of products that wouldn't exist without worldwide petroleum production. Top it all off, the war was as legal as can be. And the idea of "international law" is something that really needs to be forgotten about the time someone makes their first class in high school. It's a convenient fiction and gives Greenpeace some sort of comfort when they're protesting the French nukes at Mururoa but that's about all. Propriety and decent behavior in the international community comes from two sources. It comes from a fear of a stronger nation squashing a weaker one for doing something perceived as 'wrong'. Or it comes from a specific financial or tangible material incentive to behave that way. |
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If they hadn't started prophylactic antibiotics, they'd have been profoundly negligent in their duties. If the senior members of the government weren't bright enough to start popping Cipro the second there was a biological threat, they aren't smart enough to have their jobs. It has nothing to do with conspiracy. it's common sense. "I say, Mr. Bush, a nutter from the Hindu Kush has flown airliners into several of our buildings and I believe he'd like to see you dead as well. Just in case, start taking these antibiotics in the event the airliner attacks were diversions and we're now downwind of a 55 gallon drum of mixed Anthrax spores and Botulin toxin." |
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Right, that makes sense. Sure, some planes just flew into buildings, let's start taking a very powerful antibiotic just in case somebody starts mailing anthrax around the country. The fact that they were taking anthrax vaccine a full month before the first reported case of anthrax poisoning is at the very least highly suspicious. |
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I believe you're right, Sunliner. I was just posing that question to popsiq, see why he thinks that our not so friendly neighbors are taking to the skies once again.
 Probably wouldn't have hurt to say so.....Helen |
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Cipro isn't exclusive to Anthrax. It's used for hundreds of other pathogens. Anthrax is very much the 'Top-40' bioweapon because it's easy for people to remember, it sounds very scary and it's been threatened before. There's nothing suspicious about the governmental leadership taking steps to prophylax against an agent that's almost certain to be used especially when it's so incredibly easy to do so. When I was on active duty, every time some 4th world warlord would jump up and down in front of an Africa based Reuters news crew, I went in and got all of my shots updated. Everything from plague to dengue fever to yellow fever. Cipro isn't some magical element that's only useable by the chosen few. It's just another antibiotic. It happens to work against Anthrax. If there was to be a bioweapon attack, Anthrax is likely to be used because the western news viewing public's limited attention span can understand things like, "Anthrax, it's almost always fatal, it's easy to use, it's bad stuff." There's nothing out of place to take countermeasures especially when you belong to a group of people who are above the 99th percentile of probability for targeting. It's a case of taking precautions against the attacks that are almost certain to be aimed at you. It's exactly why the President wears body armor. There's no mysterious and eldritch reasoning that leads one down the path of mystery and dark dealings. It's a guy who's almost 100% certain to have some nutjob wanting to spray his house with a biological weapon. It's protecting against a bioweapon that's almost 100% certain to be chosen by the nutjob. It's prophylaxis, not conspiracy. |
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Wow. It appears we have a few CNN viewers who are wearing tin foil hats. (maybe the space diapers too)
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So we aren't allowed to fly nukes over our own country anymore without somebody bringing on the Inquisition?
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I used to be a USAF "mushroom canner" on a B-52 base, and without divulging anything classified I can tell you that ANY nuclear weapons movements require coordinated activity between munitions control, the weapons storage area, security police central security control, and security police WSA patrols, just to open the closet door! EVERY action is done according to a checklist that is checked and rechecked. To actually MOVE a crowd-pleaser requires even more coordination, to include the base command post notifying MAJCOM HQ. And that is just to move it a few hundred feet to the maintenance shack, inside the bomb dump!
ALCMs or ACMs with full-up nukes on board would be under continuous munitions troop two-man policy and also have continuous security provided by multiple layers of armed guards. Anyone even farting in the general direction of an uploaded B-52 would initiate a major response from SPS, to include several Peacekeeper APCs armed with M-60s or Ma-Deuces and LOTS of very upset SPs with every conceivable man-portable weapon. Those SPs are trained to stop anything from one disgruntled ammo troop who has gone kookoo for cocoa puffs, all the way to an armed terrorist attack with air support. And, just in case the SPs decide to secede from the US and become a nuclear power, the ammo troops had their own separate arsenal of weapons with orders to kill anyone who tried to touch the party favors. That six full-up cosmic catastrophes were loaded on a BUFF, which then took off without being shot to pieces before it taxied off the hard stand is an incredible FUBAR. And this doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that after it happened, some loose-lipped idiot let it leak. Whatever happened to, "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear weapons at any Air Force installation"? In MY day, the person(s) responsible for the unauthorized release of nuclear weapons would be subject to the UCMJ and a trip to Kansas. The person who blabbed it off would have been personally shot by CINCSAC. This is what happens when you take a great organization like the Strategic Air Command apart, and bastardize the remnants with TAC mentality. General Curtis Emerson LeMay is now busy clawing his way out of his grave, to go and haunt the living crap out of the entire command staffs of Minot and Barksdale AFBs.... I AM a SAC asset, eleven years into retirement - and I can tell you that it won't take many incidents like this before CSAF realizes that SAC needs to come back. |
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Do you people seriously think we were going to nuke Iran? Honestly you really think we would launch a nuclear ALCM on another country. That would be he end of the world. We have nukes to ensure that if someone else uses them we will use them back. Its assured mutal total distruction. Im sure if we did want to Nuke them it would be a bit more tactical and invlolve a dirty bomb or something a little more low key
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While using nukes against Iran would be insane have you seen much sanity in our government lately?
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Ok smart guy, read my profile again. I not in the HG anymore. I spent my first 6 years in the AF Honor Guard. That means I was taken from basic training and put into the HG. How many people do you know that made anything higher than E-5 in less than 6 yrs? I would say it's safe to say NO ONE! I had to wait the same amount of time to test just like everyone else. I then retrained into Command and Control at a E-5 (at my 6 yr mark). Which was 4 yrs ago and I promise to you, as soon as I make Tech I will let you know. BTW how do you have a problem with the edited profanity but no problem with the garbage that spews from people that have no idea as to which they speak? |
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