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Originally posted by Grimmity:
The B2 doesn't launch cruise missiles. Never has, never even intended to do so.

Any nuke made anywhere in the history of nuclear weaponry has a very specific chemical/radionuclear signature. Bomb goes off, samples of the components of the bomb are dispersed into the atmosphere. Collect the samples and you now know where the bomb came from. That's not even bothering with things like satellite coverage showing delivery vehicles and the like.

A nuke isn't like crazy uncle Earl's pipe bombs. They're incredibly complex and literally every bomb ever built has an individual signature that can't be hidden.

The war was perfectly legal. Both houses of Congress agreed it was. International law is an interesting fiction but has very little bearing on the rational operation of a modern government.

You're currently an end stage consumer of oil. Your computer has polymer products in it that started in wells most likely in the middle east.

I'm too tired to go into a long discussion of the international strategic advantage the US has by having aircraft within an unrefueled sorty range of virtually all of the significant areas of concern in the Middle East and the rest of the area. Whether you like it or not, you're using the product of your "illegal war."

Ummmm, I am not going to argue the whole "illegal war" thing with you but you are DEAD WRONG about the B-52 not launching cruise missiles.
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As to your comment about every weapon having a signature well, I dont know if they can tell EVERY SINGLE ONE apart but they sure can tell where it came from, how old it is, and if it was intended to be a weapon or if it was some other type of nuclear material.
See HERE

Your comment sounded more like that movie with Ben Affleck in it about terrorists bombing Baltimore.

I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.!!!![/QUOTE] Nowhere do I read a b-52 refered to.In the beginning of his post I see a b-2 refered to. Ya'll tested the buff tossin cruises up here in th eighty's. I don't even know if the rotary launcher's for the buff will even fit in the payload bay's of the B-2.

After eight pages and only scarcely being touched on,here goes.What if it was a planned event by some forces trying to make a point, Possibly a coup? Would we even hear about it if it was? Or will it get scratched under th rug real quick? Everything I ever read, researched, or heard about nukes is this can't happen.Why did it? Even if they couldn't have been launched,because even I, a lowly canuck, know's about the safety's and redundancys in the system to prevent such an event happening.

They just didnt have any enlisted pukes left.They are all already in the joint.

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Guess they couldn't find any enlisted men to fire so they canned the commander.

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Originally posted by popsiq:

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Originally posted by BrandonKnight:
Particularily Russia, the country that keeps flying their "Bear" bombers into NATO airspace and our (U.S.) own.

You're the second one to-day to come out with this. Is this something you know to be a fact? (Prove it.)

Or is it something you were told, or imagined?

Do you not get the complete news up there in Canada. Russia flew one into US airspace last week, and one into British airspace yesterday or today.

I always take the news with a grain of salt, but come on.......Russia is on a path to re-establish their military stregnth. The writing has been on the wall for the last few years.

Don't be THAT GUY

you'll read about the enlisted people involved in awaiting courts-martial here in a few days...the commanders will just get "fired", and be sent to be put in command of a different section...HOOAH UCMJ!!!

SO....These Bombs just happened to get thru all the security.. Loaded by mistake on a B 52. Flew all that distance and no one knew it until it arrived............

If that really happened then a lot of people need to see some UCMJ in action.

When I heard this on the news, I had to laugh. We were stationed in Minot during 96-2000. What a stupid base. I think because no one actually wants to go there, and if they get orders there, you are there FOREVER. This base is ALWAYS on the equal listing. The morale at this base was crap, about as frozen as it gets in the winter, all anyone seemed to come away with was a severe case of depression. We think it might be due to the 'open sewer systems' that used to defrost in the spring, the smell was soooo bad, and we didn't have air conditioning, (because apparently it doesn't get hot there, ha, we went through many 90 plus summers ) I think the smell must have rotted people's minds. A personal example: North Dakota has lots of tornadoes, (I know, above the tornado alley, but they have about as many as Nebraska) and some soldier told his troops to go inside, underground, while he and his weapon went outside and held on to B 52 bomber's front tire. God knows what he was trying to do. He ended up dislocating arm....... and was called a hero in the paper........ we had other names for him.. My point is, I guess, I hate Minot. Why not Minot? the reason it's freezin'....... horrible place.. you go there to hibernate... and maybe freeze to death, and someone will find you in the spring when your body defrosts.

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Originally posted by mainedawg:
SO....These Bombs just happened to get thru all the security.. Loaded by mistake on a B 52. Flew all that distance and no one knew it until it arrived............

If that really happened then a lot of people need to see some UCMJ in action.

That was my point exactly Dawg. When I first saw this I thought I would let the AF guy's respond. Now I can see no one want's to touch the unreal posibility of the insane.

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Originally posted by PBACanuck:

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Originally posted by Grimmity:
The B2 doesn't launch cruise missiles. Never has, never even intended to do so.

Any nuke made anywhere in the history of nuclear weaponry has a very specific chemical/radionuclear signature. Bomb goes off, samples of the components of the bomb are dispersed into the atmosphere. Collect the samples and you now know where the bomb came from. That's not even bothering with things like satellite coverage showing delivery vehicles and the like.

A nuke isn't like crazy uncle Earl's pipe bombs. They're incredibly complex and literally every bomb ever built has an individual signature that can't be hidden.

The war was perfectly legal. Both houses of Congress agreed it was. International law is an interesting fiction but has very little bearing on the rational operation of a modern government.

You're currently an end stage consumer of oil. Your computer has polymer products in it that started in wells most likely in the middle east.

I'm too tired to go into a long discussion of the international strategic advantage the US has by having aircraft within an unrefueled sorty range of virtually all of the significant areas of concern in the Middle East and the rest of the area. Whether you like it or not, you're using the product of your "illegal war."

Ummmm, I am not going to argue the whole "illegal war" thing with you but you are DEAD WRONG about the B-52 not launching cruise missiles.
See Here
Here Too
One More Time

As to your comment about every weapon having a signature well, I dont know if they can tell EVERY SINGLE ONE apart but they sure can tell where it came from, how old it is, and if it was intended to be a weapon or if it was some other type of nuclear material.
See HERE

Your comment sounded more like that movie with Ben Affleck in it about terrorists bombing Baltimore.

I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.!!!!

Nowhere do I read a b-52 refered to.In the beginning of his post I see a b-2 refered to. Ya'll tested the buff tossin cruises up here in th eighty's. I don't even know if the rotary launcher's for the buff will even fit in the payload bay's of the B-2. [/QUOTE]

Oh dear, I thought it was just a mistype. Oh well, for YOUR input then..... the B-2 CAN fly the new cruise missiles under development but was not originally designed to carry ALCMS/CALCMS. The original purpose of the B-2 was to act as a PENETRATOR bomber that could get through the Soviet Air Defense and use Gravity Nuclear Weapons against high value targets. The BUFF would act as the Cruise Missile Platform and pound the rest of the higher value targets.

"See Platforms"
Again under platforms
Under Bombers

Sorry for the mixup
I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.!!!!

No stress Grim.You'll find not many round here as well informed as 09Recon.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the Democrats and Republicans. None of them seem to know how to actually run our government for the People. All they think about is getting relected, getting their pork barrell projects funded for their particular states, and partying; in the case of the Republicans, committing criminal acts, and thinking that they should get away with them scott free. This whole mess of politics is not for the benefit of the people of America, but for the damn politicians to get themselves richer. Nobody is listening to the majority of the American public. If they were, they would have already gotten out of Iraq. All the Democrats do is act like they are trying to expose the Republicans; the Republicans call the Democrats names for trying it, and nothing gets done. The war is still going on in Iraq, and our kids are continuing to die in a war that isn't fixing anything, and sure as hell isn't making the Iraqi government self reliant. Send the kids of our government officials over to fight the war in Iraq. Their kids are the only ones not dying in this war. Hell, send the politicians over there themselves. They sure aren't doing any good sitting in Washington.
Now we have idiots who are making mistakes like this one, who could have caused whole states of Americans to be anilated. If they could make this kind of mistake about flying this mess over several states, they could make the mistakes of setting off the bombs enroute. How could a high ranking officer be so stupid...But then, we have Bush as Commander N Chief, so go figure. Stupidity runs in his administration.

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Originally posted by EyeWideOpen:
I guess we found where the weapons of mass destruction are: IN AMERICA!

How could we possibly be angry with other countries developing nukes when we openly admit to having them ourselves? Isnt it sort of a DUH moment when they begin building them to match us?

Don't forget the nukes in France, England, Italy, Turkey, Germany, Russia, North Korea and probably Ukraine and Israel.

No, it's not a "duh' moment. You're working from the assumption that the world somehow has to be fair. I've got a nuke so somebody else should be allowed to have one.

We've got them. Nobody else should have them. Honestly, nobody should have them, they're too expensive to keep up and running. But as long as some dickwad in a cave in the Hindu Kush tries to get a nuke of his own, he needs to be killed for that desire. We've got them, nobody else should have them. Yes, it's very one-sided. Too bad.

Ruby 1944

What's your point....????

We are on B-52's and nukes

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Originally posted by Grimmity:
The B2 doesn't launch cruise missiles. Never has, never even intended to do so.

Any nuke made anywhere in the history of nuclear weaponry has a very specific chemical/radionuclear signature. Bomb goes off, samples of the components of the bomb are dispersed into the atmosphere. Collect the samples and you now know where the bomb came from. That's not even bothering with things like satellite coverage showing delivery vehicles and the like.

A nuke isn't like crazy uncle Earl's pipe bombs. They're incredibly complex and literally every bomb ever built has an individual signature that can't be hidden.

The war was perfectly legal. Both houses of Congress agreed it was. International law is an interesting fiction but has very little bearing on the rational operation of a modern government.

You're currently an end stage consumer of oil. Your computer has polymer products in it that started in wells most likely in the middle east.

I'm too tired to go into a long discussion of the international strategic advantage the US has by having aircraft within an unrefueled sorty range of virtually all of the significant areas of concern in the Middle East and the rest of the area. Whether you like it or not, you're using the product of your "illegal war."

Ummmm, I am not going to argue the whole "illegal war" thing with you but you are DEAD WRONG about the B-52 not launching cruise missiles.
See Here
Here Too
One More Time

I very specifically said the B52 is the launch platform for Cruise Missiles, what in hell are you talking about?

As to your comment about every weapon having a signature well, I dont know if they can tell EVERY SINGLE ONE apart but they sure can tell where it came from, how old it is, and if it was intended to be a weapon or if it was some other type of nuclear material.
See HERE
They've got date, time and production signatures for every fissionable component built. Chemistry takes care of everything from there on. It's conceivable that two identical warheads from a specific foundry lot and assembly run could have nearly identical radioassay signatures. Similar. Toss in the fact that every warhead is serial numbered, chemically and radiologically assayed and tracked from furnace to ground zero. There's a pretty good chance you can tell which bomb came from where.

Your comment sounded more like that movie with Ben Affleck in it about terrorists bombing Baltimore.
I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on it. My information comes from being a deployment signatory and from having taken freshman and sophomore physics.

Take the time to figure out how the bomb has to work. From there, you've got 100% of the information you need to understand how to trace it back after it's been fired.



I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.!!!![/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by mcgreer:
Well, the squadron commander was rightfully fired. I'd also go after the superintendent.

It's almost impossible for this to have happened by accident.

I dont buy the whole story sounds like BS Journalism. And it is impossible to happen accidently, Nukes are not kept along with conventional ordinance. When Nukes are accessed its no accident and takes specific authorization from high commanders and are never loaded just for practice missions.

However for training purposes duplicate dummy nukes are loaded flown out over the ocean and dropped into the sea, then frog men retrieve them and thier thoroughly cleaned of salt water contamination and stored till next time. It just dont make sense But it does sell papers.

johnx2... I have said it from the beginning also. It just can't happen.

“Duh…which way didja go George…duh, which way didja go…?”

But seriously, aren’t there safe guards in place to prevent this king of accident? You know, Nukes go into this highly guarded… needs the commander's, or some responsible adults key code to get in, bunker? Conventional weapons in this bunker, Chemicals in that one… and don’t forget which is which bunker…?

mainedawg Yea somthing aint right. I was involved with nukes in the early fifties and know the security back then and can only imagine what it is today. They didnt let just any armorer handle nukes these were specially trained security cleared specialists and mistakes were not made by these techs.

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Originally posted by ReaperDoc:
“Duh…which way didja go George…duh, which way didja go…?”

But seriously, aren’t there safe guards in place to prevent this king of accident? You know, Nukes go into this highly guarded… needs the commander's, or some responsible adults key code to get in, bunker? Conventional weapons in this bunker, Chemicals in that one… and don’t forget which is which bunker…?

Another weapon of mass destruction, namely anthrax, is supposed to have safeguards too but nevertheless some anthrax made an unauthorized departure from a military facility and was used in the post-9/11 anthrax attacks. Therefore the possibility exists that the unauthorized departure of the nukes was connected with a plot to use them in a terrorist attack but the plot was foiled or bungled. If the plot involved their detonation in Washington DC, the FBI would have been prepared because it is moving its operations outside the Washington DC nuclear blast and fallout zone, something that did not happen even at the height of the cold war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2006122500637.html

It's also interesting to note that top Bush administration officials made preparations for the anthrax attacks prior to them happening, they started taking the anti-anthrax drug Cipro one week before the first anthrax attack took place.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

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Originally posted by Jonathan_Pollard:

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Originally posted by ReaperDoc:
“Duh…which way didja go George…duh, which way didja go…?”

But seriously, aren’t there safe guards in place to prevent this king of accident? You know, Nukes go into this highly guarded… needs the commander's, or some responsible adults key code to get in, bunker? Conventional weapons in this bunker, Chemicals in that one… and don’t forget which is which bunker…?

Another weapon of mass destruction, namely anthrax, is supposed to have safeguards too but nevertheless some anthrax made an unauthorized departure from a military facility and was used in the post-9/11 anthrax attacks. Therefore the possibility exists that the unauthorized departure of the nukes was connected with a plot to use them in a terrorist attack but the plot was foiled or bungled. If the plot involved their detonation in Washington DC, the FBI would have been prepared because it is moving its operations outside the Washington DC nuclear blast and fallout zone, something that did not happen even at the height of the cold war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2006122500637.html

It's also interesting to note that top Bush administration officials made preparations for the anthrax attacks prior to them happening, they started taking the anti-anthrax drug Cipro one week before the first anthrax attack took place.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

Again, there is no evidence that there was an "unauthorized departure" of anthrax from Ft Detrick. The Detrick strain was disbursed to some 15 stateside bio-research labs and 6 overseas sites, any one of which could be the source of the anthrax used in both the media and Congressional attacks.