Is it just me or does it seem like our whole damn military seems to be in melt down mode??

Jes__ H CHR_ST What the F___ is going on?

- BAD BOYS TALKIN' 'BOUT BAD BAD BOYS

- wherefore art thou Einstein? ...

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Originally posted by 14866897:
"MY BAD" doesn't really cut it

- WHAT HAPPENED TO CHAIN OF COMMANDS?

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Originally posted by jdksfcret:
Is it just me or does it seem like our whole damn military seems to be in melt down mode??

Jes__ H CHR_ST What the F___ is going on?

How in the world did the plane take off without the flightcrew asking any questions. Also how could you mistakingly take off with a load of nukes. Atlleast it was in the country and not in some country that just waits for something like this to happen and then goes beserk with the story.
And who was the idiot that just happens to let this out to the press smart person, ever heard of opsec or comsec ? People let's get a clue there are some people out there who just waits for a story like this to get out and ride it like it was a free round the world trip with all the bells and whistles.
Nukes are safe as they can be when all the safety precautions are there, did someone think that they would be fired off at the pilots discretion ? Let's be smart people investgate then tell the story .

Haven't read all the posts on this, but having been on a nuclear loading team in the U.S.N., unless the computers and the weapons were properly configured and talking to each other, in essence, you could drop them all day and nothing would go "BOOM"...
Here's a little FYI for you fine folks, WE DO HAVE NUKES that have been lost in the U.S. and they're still are unaccounted for. One, in particular, is deep in a swamp and at the last I heard, it's still lost in there, since about, I think 1957 or so. During the "cold war", nukes flew over your heads seven days a week on a continuous basis. There were also U.S. cities that were used as practice targets to train the crews. Did they, those involved in this incident, scr-w the pooch? Appears so and will they get the big one for it? Yup, probably so!
The point being, that the U.S. population was in no danger of a nuclear detonation...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
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Also, no, not by dropping them on US targets, but by bringing them to the Barksdale staging ground to then be delivered to Iran via B-2. That being said, I wouldn't put it past this cabal to detonate a nuke in some liberal city and then blaming it on Iran in order to get their next war on. SNIP FOR BREVITY

The B2 doesn't launch cruise missiles. Never has, never even intended to do so.

Any nuke made anywhere in the history of nuclear weaponry has a very specific chemical/radionuclear signature. Bomb goes off, samples of the components of the bomb are dispersed into the atmosphere. Collect the samples and you now know where the bomb came from. That's not even bothering with things like satellite coverage showing delivery vehicles and the like.

A nuke isn't like crazy uncle Earl's pipe bombs. They're incredibly complex and literally every bomb ever built has an individual signature that can't be hidden.

The war was perfectly legal. Both houses of Congress agreed it was. International law is an interesting fiction but has very little bearing on the rational operation of a modern government.

You're currently an end stage consumer of oil. Your computer has polymer products in it that started in wells most likely in the middle east.

I'm too tired to go into a long discussion of the international strategic advantage the US has by having aircraft within an unrefueled sorty range of virtually all of the significant areas of concern in the Middle East and the rest of the area. Whether you like it or not, you're using the product of your "illegal war."

Bring SAC back.

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Originally posted by gmcneill:
Bring SAC back.

Right on!
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

The AP needs to get their aircraft right. When they said a "b-52 like this one" it was a c-5 and not a b-52. This is why i never take the ap seriously.

BIG OOOPS!Thats why SAC should be back.

I have said it before and will probably say it again. My biggest gripe with articles such as this is with the individual giving out information who is granted immunity because "he was not "AUTHORIZED" to release the information. In my book, that is a leak and the leaker should be prosecuted. The perpetrator is not a whistle-blower. He should keep his mouth shut.

LaMay would have smoked the leaks arse.Nav I hadn't thought of it that way but your right.

I guess we found where the weapons of mass destruction are: IN AMERICA!

How could we possibly be angry with other countries developing nukes when we openly admit to having them ourselves? Isnt it sort of a DUH moment when they begin building them to match us?

OK; WHO TALKED?

no one talked they rather tell the truth than have russia find out that the us broke several treatys by hiding the fact they carried live nucler weapons in a bomber wich is againt singd treaty by russia and the us we are only allowed to transport live nukes in cargo planes such as c-17 or c-130 not b-2 or b-52 we cant even have a super sonic bomber carry nukes thats why the b-1 is not configured to carry nukes besides that i think the pentagon did the right thing by telling the press than have the us trying to conseal it had just violeted its own nuclear treatys

I spent 21 years working nuc weapons in the Navy so I know (in my mind at least) what the problem was and the solution. Nothing on a nuc weapon gets done that's not reader/worker routine. In other words every bolt turned, amphoenal hooked up, piece of loading equipment utilized; is inspected, serial number checked, weight test verified, then the step to be performed is read, the worker confirms he understands the step, and then the step is performed by one person and verified by another. So the techs simply blew off their procedures. They should be busted as well as the NCOIC and then the officer cognacent of the operation should be fired. The base CO should also be relieved, not because he knew or did not know or ever really had his hand in this, but so in the future base COs will through fear for their jobs make sure everyone under them is trained, spot checks are done often, random monitoring of these proceedures is instituted, and the fear of God is in every nuc weapons worker up and down the chain. Why? Because we (the United States)need nuc weapons in this world I'm sorry to say, and an accident that produces any yield at all(no matter how small or insignificant), or any dispersal of radiological material BY ACCIDENT (and if this plane had gone down for any reason, and planes do from time to time) would set back our nuclear program to where it would be impossible to maintain them. There are so many proceedures now that it's a major evolution just to hook up a crain to a weapon to move it. We screw up in a big way and those proceedures will go from the current redicules to the absurd. Of course if you don't follow those proceedures I guess it just does not matter. My 2 cents.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT EVERY TIME INFO SUCH AS THIS COMES UP IT IS RELEASED UNDER CONDITION OF "ANONYMITY". THAT IS "B.S." ! WHEN THIS HAPPENS WE SHOULD HAVE THE CID AND OSI LOOKING FOR THIS BIG MOUTH TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THEM. I'LL BET IT WAS SOME POLITICAL HACK INVOLVED.

You folks would have had a stroke back in the 60's. 52s with nukes were flown all over the US everyday. Every SAC base had alerts that put their 52s in the air. The crews of these 52s didn't know whether it was the real thing or a practice run. Only after they were airborn would they open the safe aboard and see what the mission was. I worked a alert flight line that had 52s that contained a total of 15 nuke bombs that would have wiped out the south eastern half of the US if the were to have gone off. This is just another anon. person opening the yap when they should keep it closed. Stealth and secrecy is the first prioty and that is why we are in the shape we are in now. The news channels putting out THEIR stories is alerting the enemy to what we are doing. Get the press out of the military's business and we will have less dead.

The sky is falling!!!!
What is the big deal here. Da ya tinks we hauled those things around on the back of a pickup truck?
Nuclear weapons have to be maintained frequently. In my time they were flown in and out by C-130s. My favorite day was NUKE swap out day. The APs would go into ballistic mode. Only a total fool would not know they were about to move a NUKE. They had the first try at an armored up vehicle. Made by Chrysler. It liked to twist off the rear drive axles. They were supposed to go to Vietnam for convoy protection but ended up parked around SAC for NUKE convoy guard. The only aircraft in was a C-130. Carrying a NUKE no other aircraft was allowed to be in the approach. If the axle didn't twist off the "armored" vehicle with several other light vehicles crammed with APs a tug with bomb cart convoy would approach the C-130. APs would establish a secure area, by encircling the C-130 with ARs prominently displayed. Anyone on the base parimiter which was unsecured, would clearly know the target aircraft. They would remove the NUKE and place it on the bomb cart, line up and escort it to the NUKE storage. Load up the NUKE going back for service and escort that back to the waiting C-130. Place it in the C-130 and it would depart. The armored vehicles and the escort couldn't fly, so it had to go un-escorted from there. NUKES flew every day over the U.S. somewhere.
Then there was CHROME DOME, a NUKE aloft 24/7 in the world somewhere. The refueled was the KC-97 a radial engine aircraft that couldn't fly as fast as the B-52. To mid-air refuel a B-52 with a KC-97 the two had to "link up" then they had to descend during the entire refueling to keep the B-52 above stall. With the boom attached, if the B-52 pilot was not extremely careful, a very small amount of up control pressure would snap the B-52 in half and the tail would fall off. It did exactly that over Spain and the NUKES went splashing into the MED and into a farmers field. Oops BROKEN ARROW.
The B-52 bomb bay was designed exclusively for the NUKE, it had to be refit for conventional bombs. The NUKE went up between friction pads that held it in place when it was uploaded. During the good old "ALERT" days the crew climbed into the B-52 and sat there until relieved. The relieving crew would arrive via bus and and go through the process of checking the NUKE and taking possession of same. To do so the bomb bay doors had to be opened so you could see the weapon and check out the serial numbers and verify it was there and properly uploaded.
Wives being deprived of their male companion would wait outside the alert facility compound for hubby. It looked like shift change at a factory, it went off so smooth. Right on time the relieved crew would arrive at the gate and pour out. This one morning while the routine process of crew change was going on. Some one got on the intercom and said hey get a load of this, sortie #5 just dropped a NUKE, it's rolling down the ramp and there is a guy running down the ramp with is hands over his ears. Yep NS a guy running way from a nuclear explosion, with his ears covered. A new form of duck and cover. No I'm not going to say where the "incident" happened. Now the who is responsible is going to happen. The base is locked down, none of this is to get to the folks in town. The men don't show up at the alert gate as expected so one of the more "with it" wives, finds a line truck gets on it's radio and inquires as to where her husband is. A line truck parked down at the "incident location" tells her that one of the aircraft just dropped a NUKE and it's going to be a long day. They ask her to make a run to dunkin donuts and they will send a line truck up to pick them up. She complies and tells the clerk at dunkin donuts that they dropped a NUKE out at the base and here husband is stuck there. Not a single person in town knew anything about the incident for at least another 2 seconds after that. Oh yea it made the papers and the nightly snooze, but not the national snooze.
It clearly says on the check list, CHECK, the weapon release switch is in the locked position. It don't say lift the protector and check it, or wiggle it, or even touch it. It says check it. Pilots get in the habit of touching things as they go through the check list. Just one "TOUCH" of the weapon release can and often does cause the weapon to drop. When the bay doors are closed, it sets against them. Sometimes in flight, Ooops the doors can't hold the weight and O, O, gee we just got lighter, what happened. Bombs away, aw snot, this is going to be a long complicated debrief now, ain't it.
So someone flew and aerial weapon on an aircraft, now that's real news. There is no way possible they could have had them armed. The safest way to transport them was just the way they did it. Or would everyone prefer and Amtrack crash or Oops what rail yard is that darn bomb in now. The security for ground transportation would have been large, the cost in the hundreds of thousands. Every location it travels through has to be notified. Probably only a company like Hallerberton could handle this one. I can find no be deal here. Must be another slow news day.