We wont have any choice BUT to respond with nukes.We are strung out way past thin.

For those of us who can remember the actual release of Dr. Strangelove:

Colonel Kong as portrayed by Slim Pickens....classic.

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Originally posted by rm444:
Colonel Kong as portrayed by Slim Pickens....classic.

I liked when he was inventorying the "bail out" kit, I think his words were, "Shoot you could have a good time in Vegas with this!".
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81

You just may be right on that, I hope you're not, but, I'm beginning to think otherwise.
I mean what better time to come after us, when
SUNLINER81

we are wrapped up in a war, over extended economically with our factories off shored, in hock to a potential enemy, the PRC, and our economy in a shambles with massive amounts of people loosing their homes to repossession and the loan companies and banks going broke.
Yup, it might be a good time to think about it, on the part of others.
I hope not, but...



maybe its just my age but I find it so hard to believe That the american People have allowed our country to be put in this position. We are so vulnerable and weakened that we could not Take on any formidable foe without resorting to nuclear halocaust.

Americans constantly Quote the constitution and yet ignore the most significant safeguards placed in there by the forefathers who foresaw these problems back then. The Impeachment process a tool to ensure the elected officials were kept in check and that the people maintained the power.

Jefferson warned against allowing Government and Industry to form an alliance and thats exactly what we have allowed. And now with this Northern states agreement we are moving toward loosing our very Sovernty. We have met the enemy and it is us and have no one to blame but ourselves. We the people have become powerless since polititions are one and the same.

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Originally posted by john2x:
You just may be right on that, I hope you're not, but, I'm beginning to think otherwise.
I mean what better time to come after us, when
SUNLINER81

we are wrapped up in a war, over extended economically with our factories off shored, in hock to a potential enemy, the PRC, and our economy in a shambles with massive amounts of people loosing their homes to repossession and the loan companies and banks going broke.
Yup, it might be a good time to think about it, on the part of others.
I hope not, but...



maybe its just my age but I find it so hard to believe That the american People have allowed our country to be put in this position. We are so vulnerable and weakened that we could not Take on any formidable foe without resorting to nuclear halocaust.

Americans constantly Quote the constitution and yet ignore the most significant safeguards placed in there by the forefathers who foresaw these problems back then. The Impeachment process a tool to ensure the elected officials were kept in check and that the people maintained the power.

Jefferson warned against allowing Government and Industry to form an alliance and thats exactly what we have allowed. And now with this Northern states agreement we are moving toward loosing our very Sovernty. We have met the enemy and it is us and have no one to blame but ourselves. We the people have become powerless since polititions are one and the same.

Actually, I don't think that it's the "military industrial complex", if there were actually such a thing, it would in this day and age be a benefit. It would have maintained our industries on shore, paranoid against the destruction, by enemies, of it's ability to wage war.
What has happened to us, is more along the lines of what Theodore Roosevelt and retired Marine General Smedley Butler warned of.
That is, industry run amok, severing not the nation in which it resides, but only true to itself and it's own bottom line, PROFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF ALL ELSE...
For many years, we had two things that were the counter balance to the corporations, they were the laws enacted by the federal government to keep the corporations from exploiting the American people and collective bargaining through the trade unions.
With the passage of NAFTA and it's Asian equivalent, it was a way to remove the U.S. regulations, the minimum wage and collective bargaining, sold with the siren song of "cheaper prices for the things you want"...
The sacrifice of sovereignty, rights and humanity for the self perpetuating, all powerful, "New World Order" of "Global Economy", is the siren's song of our destruction as human beings.
We are victims of our own greed, avarice and being too busy trying to get, and keep the "American Dream" sold to us on "Easy Credit" with exorbitant interest rates. Interest rates that cannot be escaped due to the change in the bankruptcy laws, spurred by those "lending institutions" through a Congress bought and paid for by those self same institutions, through massive campaign contributions.
Our politicians are not chosen by the American people for their intellect, but by the "New World Order" of self serving international industrial mega corporations, for their corruption and stupidity...
We, the American people, must stop this "My party right or wrong!" and start to chose our "representatives" based on honesty, a sense of morality, intelligence and the willingness to end the rule of the "New World Order"...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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agreed, SUNLINER81.

the number of alleged aircraft/airbase incidents involving nukes is over 255 in Russia from 1955-1999, some severe enough to warrant the sudden permanent abandonment of the airbase on at least 3 instances. I doubt anyone here would question the high number of such incidents given thier record on submarines.

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:

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Originally posted by rm444:
Colonel Kong as portrayed by Slim Pickens....classic.

I liked when he was inventorying the "bail out" kit, I think his words were, "Shoot you could have a good time in Vegas with this!".
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81

]]]]]]]]]]] He had the greatest lines in history! When they confirmed the attack code: WING ATTACK PLAN R, he said, "boys, I know all of you probably have some real personal feelings about nuclear combat"! His dedication to mission was paramount, "I am going to crawl into the bombay and manually engage release mechanism"! To get the exact words from those scenes I am renting this if not available on classic movies. I think it will be shown this week because of the Minot to Barksdale flight that caused all this excitement. Funny how real life can come and revisit all these memories. Thanks to all the SAC and NORAD veterans who pitched in on this story. We are learning how close we came to permanent glow a few times too many. Know anyone at Turner Entertainment? Lobby for a showing--Failsafe also.

ONE OF THE MINOT AIRMEN DIED WHILE ON LEAVE

The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Sep 13, 2007 6:25:09 EDT

MINOT, N.D. — Minot Air Force Base officials say an airman from the base has died while on leave in Virginia.

A statement from the base says Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, 20, died Monday while visiting with family members in Wytheville, Va. The statement did not say how he died but said the incident is under investigation.

The base says Blue was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. He enlisted in the Air Force in March 2006 and was assigned to the Minot base the following August.

“He constantly stepped up to help out his fellow airmen and was a vital presence in squadron sports and volunteer programs,” Lt. Col. John Worley, the 5th Security Forces Squadron commander, said in the base statement.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/ap_minotairman_070912/

Looks like somebody knew too much.

PERSONNALY I THINK THAT IT WAS SAFER, CHEAPER AND FASTER TO DO IT THAT WAY. THE NUKES WOULD'NT HAVE GONE OFF UNLESS ARMED ANYWAY. PEOPLE FORGET WE'VE ALREADY HAD ACCIDENTS WITH A/C THAT CARRIED NUKE AND BECAUSE OF FAIL-SAFE MEASURES CAN'T GO BOOM.

Todd's death was actually the third of young airmen stationed at Minot since July 2.

http://www.topix.net/city/wytheville-va/2007/09/minot-b...while-on-leave-in-va

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Originally posted by Jonathan_Pollard:
Todd's death was actually the third of young airmen stationed at Minot since July 2.

http://www.topix.net/city/wytheville-va/2007/09/minot-b...while-on-leave-in-va

What's your point?
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

what kind of training is the air forc giving there people?

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Originally posted by pjmurray62:
what kind of training is the air forc giving there people?

Depends on their AFSC (MOS). I'm a helicopter crew chief. I don't know squat about what the sky cops do in the dark nor do I care to know. I don't know what the bee-bee stackers are doing nor will I inquire within. I do my job and keep my eyes open for the bad guy hopping the fence. I don't blindly volunteer for "additional duties" and stay out of places I don't belong. I am quite irritated though, in those who think a conspiracy by our gov't is happening to our troop at Minot. (responding to the above mentioned link) Young Airman die because they take unneccessary risks with their lives. People commit suicide because their lives are not up to speed with their own perceptions. And the Blackwater guys, they just were pissed that someone spoke babdly of them. Hell. Even I have wear those big black sunglasses they were pictured with...they're called safety glasses.

The video shows a C-5 taxiing. I was a maintainer on B-52s and KC -135s for over 20 years. Wish the video was accurate.

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Originally posted by 14696684:
I guess Sadam is totally innocent of all crimes against humanity. How about you go over there and ask the relatives of all the hundreds of thousands his own people. Get a life.

quote:

Originally posted by 14696684:

quote:

Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
For Example:

UN & Nuremberg Charters part of "the supreme Law of the Land" Article VI of the US Constitution states that:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"

Because Bush violated International Laws that we agreed to by treaty, then he is also violating the supreme Law of the Land which is an impeachable offense. Note that it says "or which shall be made" so treaties signed after the Constitution was adopted are still covered.
Violation of The United Nations Charter
Chapter 1, Article 2 of the UN Charter states:

3.All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

4.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Bush lied to the UN and to Congress about the seriousness of the threat from Iraq, and invaded Iraq in defiance of a vote from the UN Security Council. His actions inflamed the Arab world and set a dangerous precedent for any other country that wants to defy the UN and start their own war.
Violation of the Nuremberg Charter
Principle Vl of the Nuremberg Charter states:

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:
a. Crimes against peace:
i. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or
a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
ii .Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment
of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

Bush's invaded a sovereign country that had not threatened the United States and had no ability to do so. Bush had been making plans to invade Iraq even before 9/11.

So far, we've killed a whole bunch more innocent Iraqi's than Saddam ever did. That's quite an accomplishment.

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Originally posted by 11120525:

quote:

Originally posted by 14696684:
I guess Sadam is totally innocent of all crimes against humanity. How about you go over there and ask the relatives of all the hundreds of thousands his own people. Get a life.

quote:

Originally posted by 14696684:

quote:

Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
For Example:

UN & Nuremberg Charters part of "the supreme Law of the Land" Article VI of the US Constitution states that:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"

Because Bush violated International Laws that we agreed to by treaty, then he is also violating the supreme Law of the Land which is an impeachable offense. Note that it says "or which shall be made" so treaties signed after the Constitution was adopted are still covered.
Violation of The United Nations Charter
Chapter 1, Article 2 of the UN Charter states:

3.All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

4.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Bush lied to the UN and to Congress about the seriousness of the threat from Iraq, and invaded Iraq in defiance of a vote from the UN Security Council. His actions inflamed the Arab world and set a dangerous precedent for any other country that wants to defy the UN and start their own war.
Violation of the Nuremberg Charter
Principle Vl of the Nuremberg Charter states:

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:
a. Crimes against peace:
i. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or
a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
ii .Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment
of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

Bush's invaded a sovereign country that had not threatened the United States and had no ability to do so. Bush had been making plans to invade Iraq even before 9/11.

So far, we've killed a whole bunch more innocent Iraqi's than Saddam ever did. That's quite an accomplishment.

Does my name show now?

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January 24, 1961, Goldsboro, North Carolina

In what nearly became a nuclear catastrophe, a B-52 bomber on airborne alert carrying two nuclear weapons broke apart in midair. The B-52 experienced structural failure in its right wing and the aircraft's resulting breakup released the two weapons from a height of 2,000-10,000 feet. One of the bomb's parachutes deployed properly and that weapon's damage was minimal. However, the second bomb's parachute malfunctioned and the weapon broke apart upon impact, scattering its components over a wide area. According to Daniel Ellsberg, the weapon could have accidentally fired because "five of the six safety devices had failed." Nuclear physicist Ralph E. Lapp supported this assertion, saying that "only a single switch" had "prevented the bomb from detonating and spreading fire and destruction over a wide area."
Despite an extensive search of the waterlogged farmland where the weapon was believed to have landed, the bomb's highly enriched uranium core was never recovered. In order to prevent any discovery of the lost portion of the weapon, the Air Force purchased an easement which required that permission be obtained before any construction or digging could begin in the area. Three crew members were killed in the crash.
The accident was apparently so serious that it was reported to newly-elected President John F. Kennedy. According to Newsweek, President Kennedy was informed after the accident that "there had been more than 60 accidents involving nuclear weapons" since World War II, "including two cases in which nuclear-tipped anti-aircraft missiles were actually launched by inadvertence." As a result of the Goldsboro accident, the U.S. placed many new safety devices on its nuclear arsenal and the Soviet Union was encouraged to do the same.

This is the incident that ended the practice of flying nukes over the CONUS and initiated many of the SOP's that were broken in this last incident. There is simply no way this was an accidental occurance, it hasn't happened once in the last 40 years for a reason. The only thing worst than accidentally nuking a foreign country would be to accidentally nuke our own country.

Maybe some of the WEPS guys can tell me if these newer nukes in ALCM's are armed the same way they were in the old days, by keeping the fissile core seperate from the other component that makes it go bang. I thought the new weaponry is all computerized, programmed by loading flight data, setting yield and det sequence. IDK, but I'd like to. I just want to get a general idea, nothing specific.

Also, there was an event in Greenland, 1968....a B52 crash I think that ended the practice all together.

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Originally posted by 14696684:

quote:
Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
For Example:

UN & Nuremberg Charters part of "the supreme Law of the Land" Article VI of the US Constitution states that:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"

Because Bush violated International Laws that we agreed to by treaty, then he is also violating the supreme Law of the Land which is an impeachable offense. Note that it says "or which shall be made" so treaties signed after the Constitution was adopted are still covered.
Violation of The United Nations Charter
Chapter 1, Article 2 of the UN Charter states:

3.All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

4.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Bush lied to the UN and to Congress about the seriousness of the threat from Iraq, and invaded Iraq in defiance of a vote from the UN Security Council. His actions inflamed the Arab world and set a dangerous precedent for any other country that wants to defy the UN and start their own war.
Violation of the Nuremberg Charter
Principle Vl of the Nuremberg Charter states:

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:
a. Crimes against peace:
i. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or
a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
ii .Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment
of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

Bush's invaded a sovereign country that had not threatened the United States and had no ability to do so. Bush had been making plans to invade Iraq even before 9/11.


That says it all. How can that not be acknowlegded by those who claim to be avid constitutionalists and defend the indefensible. This is what scares me the fact that he can go on his merry way supported by even a small percentage of Americans. I see it as missguided patriotisim in many cases. This country should be up in arms for his impeachment and the congresses explanation of why they have failed to pursue it.

"Accidentally" loaded nukes on a BUFF!?

Yeah, right. 20 years in SF and I don't believe it. I would love to know the details about what really happened.

As for Iraq never having attacked us, I remember Iraq trying to shoot down US, British, and French aircraft enforcing the UN no-fly zones that were supposed to protect the Kurds in the north and the Shia in the south...