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Yes my hair is grey(er). THis has no direct relevance to the thread but I happen to be watching "strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart on my classic movie channel as I write this. Damn that B-47 is sexy.
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Some more intersting stuff I got from here that I will cut and paste. There is more, but I only did those that happened in the US.

May 22, 1957, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico

A nuclear weapon without its fissile core fell from the bomb bay of a B-36 at an altitude of 1,700 feet and exploded upon impact. The bomber was transporting both the weapon and its fissile core, which had been removed for safety, from Biggs Air Force Base in Texas to Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Although parachutes attached to the weapon were deployed during its descent, they did not function properly.

The nuclear weapon was completely destroyed in the detonation which occurred approximately 4.5 miles south of the Kirtland control tower and 0.3 miles west of the Sandia Base reservation, creating a blast crater approximately 25 feet in diameter and 12 feet deep. Fragments of the bomb and debris were scattered over a one mile area. A radiological survey of the area was conducted, but revealed no radioactive contamination beyond the lip of the crater.

November 26, 1958, Chennault Air Force Base, Lake Charles, Louisiana

A B-47 bomber caught fire on the ground, destroying the single nuclear weapon onboard. Contamination was limited to the immediate vicinity of the aircraft wreckage.


July 6, 1959, Barksdale Air Force Base, Bossier City, Louisiana

A C-124 aircraft transporting a nuclear weapon without its fissile core crashed during takeoff, completely destroying the aircraft and nuclear weapon. There was a limited amount of contamination immediately below the destroyed weapon, but not enough to hamper rescue or firefighting operations.


June 7, 1960, McGuire Air Force Base, near Trenton, New Jersey

A BOMARC* air defense missile being stored in a ready state that permitted its launch in two minutes was destroyed after a high pressure helium tank exploded and ruptured the missile's fuel tanks. Although the warhead was also destroyed by the fire, the safety devices acted properly and prevented the weapon's high explosives from detonating. A New York Times article described a near nuclear disaster, noting that the missile "melted under an intense blaze fed by its 100-pound detonator TNT...The atomic warhead apparently dropped into the molten mass that was left of the missile, which burned for forty-five minutes." The ensuing radiation "had been caused when thoriated magnesium metal which forms part of the weapon, caught fire." The Pentagon report said that only the area immediately beneath the weapon and an adjacent elongated area approximately 100 feet long were contaminated by water runoff from fighting the fire.

December 8, 1964, Bunker Hill (now Grissom) Air Force Base, Peru, Indiana

A B-58 bomber lost control and slid off a runway during taxi, causing portions of the five nuclear weapons onboard to burn in an ensuing fire. There were no detonations and contamination was limited to the immediate area of the crash.


October 11, 1965, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, near Dayton, Ohio

A C-124 transport aircraft containing nuclear weapons components and a dummy training unit caught fire while being refueled. The fire started at the aft end of the refueling trailer and destroyed the aircraft's fuselage. There were no casualties and the resultant radiation hazard was minimal.

September 19, 1980, Damascus, Arkansas

Fuel vapors from a Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) exploded in the missile's silo, blowing off the 740-ton silo door of reinforced concrete and steel and catapulting the missile's nuclear warhead 600 feet. The accident occurred when an Air Force repairman dropped a heavy wrench socket that struck the missile, causing a leak in the missile's pressurized fuel tank. The fuel caught fire and exploded approximately 8 � hours later, killing one person and injuring twenty-one others. The missile's reentry vehicle, which contained a nuclear warhead, was recovered intact.


July 28, 1957, Over the Atlantic Ocean

A C-124 transport aircraft that was having mechanical problems jettisoned two nuclear weapons without their fissile cores off the east coast of the United States. The C-124 was en route from Dover Air Force Base in Delaware when it lost power to its number one and two engines. The crew determined that level flight could not be maintained with the weight of the weapons onboard and decided to jettison the cargo. Although neither weapon detonated, both are presumed to have been damaged from impact with the ocean surface and to have sunk almost instantly. Neither the weapons nor debris were ever found. The C-124 safely landed at an airfield near Atlantic City, New Jersey, with the remaining weapon and nuclear warhead aboard.


February 5, 1958, Savannah River, Georgia

A nuclear weapon without a fissile core was lost following a mid-air collision. A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon without its fissile core collided with a F-86 aircraft near Savannah, Georgia. Following three unsuccessful attempts to land the plane at Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia, the weapon was jettisoned to avoid the risk of a high explosive detonation at the base. The weapon was jettisoned into the water several miles from the mouth of Savannah River in Wassaw Sound off Tybee Beach, but the precise point of impact is unknown. The weapon's high explosives did not detonate on impact. A subsequent search covering three square miles used divers and sonar devices, but failed to find the weapon. The search was ended on April 16, 1958, and the weapon was considered to be irretrievably lost.


Some accounts of nuclear weapon accidents list a February 12, 1958, accident involving a B-47 near Savannah, Georgia. "The best estimate" of the weapon's location, an earlier DoD narrative noted, "was determined to be 31 degrees 54' 15" North, 80 degrees 54' 45" West." The B-47 was on a simulated combat mission from Florida's Homestead Air Force Base.


September 25, 1959, Off Whidbey Island, Washington

A U.S. Navy P-5M aircraft carrying an unarmed nuclear depth charge without its fissile core crashed into Puget Sound near Whidbey Island, Washington. The weapon was never recovered.

January 24, 1961, Goldsboro, North Carolina

In what nearly became a nuclear catastrophe, a B-52 bomber on airborne alert carrying two nuclear weapons broke apart in midair. The B-52 experienced structural failure in its right wing and the aircraft's resulting breakup released the two weapons from a height of 2,000-10,000 feet. One of the bomb's parachutes deployed properly and that weapon's damage was minimal. However, the second bomb's parachute malfunctioned and the weapon broke apart upon impact, scattering its components over a wide area. According to Daniel Ellsberg, the weapon could have accidentally fired because "five of the six safety devices had failed." Nuclear physicist Ralph E. Lapp supported this assertion, saying that "only a single switch" had "prevented the bomb from detonating and spreading fire and destruction over a wide area."
Despite an extensive search of the waterlogged farmland where the weapon was believed to have landed, the bomb's highly enriched uranium core was never recovered. In order to prevent any discovery of the lost portion of the weapon, the Air Force purchased an easement which required that permission be obtained before any construction or digging could begin in the area. Three crew members were killed in the crash.
The accident was apparently so serious that it was reported to newly-elected President John F. Kennedy. According to Newsweek, President Kennedy was informed after the accident that "there had been more than 60 accidents involving nuclear weapons" since World War II, "including two cases in which nuclear-tipped anti-aircraft missiles were actually launched by inadvertence." As a result of the Goldsboro accident, the U.S. placed many new safety devices on its nuclear arsenal and the Soviet Union was encouraged to do the same.

April 11, 1950, Manzano Base, Albuquerque, New Mexico

A B-29 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon, four spare detonators, and a crew of thirteen crashed into a mountain near Manzano Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The crash occurred within three minutes of departure from the Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and resulted in a major fire which was reported by the New York Times as being visible from "fifteen miles." The bomb's casing was completely demolished and its high explosives ignited upon contact with the plane's burning fuel. However, according to the DoD, the four spare detonators and all nuclear components were recovered. A nuclear detonation was not possible because the weapon's core, while being carried on-board, was not placed in the weapon for safety reasons. All thirteen crew members were killed.

November 4, 1958, Dyess Air Force Base, Abilene, Texas

A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon caught fire during takeoff and crashed from an altitude of 1,500 feet, killing one crew member. The resulting detonation of high explosives created a crater 35 feet in diameter and six feet deep. Nuclear materials from the weapon were recovered near the crash site.


October 15, 1959, Hardinsberg, Kentucky

A B-52 bomber carrying two atomic bombs collided at 32,000 feet with a KC-135 refueling aircraft shortly after initiating refueling procedures near Hardinsberg, Kentucky. The ensuing crash killed 8 crew members and partially burned one of the weapons. No nuclear material was released, however, and the unarmed weapons were recovered intact. Both planes had departed from Columbus Air Force Base in Mississippi.


*January 19, 1961, Monticello, Utah

A B-52 bomber carrying one or more nuclear weapons was reported to have exploded in midair about 10 miles north of Monticello, Utah. The bomber had left Biggs AFB near El Paso, Texas, bound for Bismarck, North Dakota, on a routine "round-robin" training mission. Near Monticello the aircraft began climbing from 36,000 to 40,000 feet and soon experienced a violent bump followed by a descending right roll of about 410 degrees, a short period of wings-level, nose-down flight, and then a violent spin. The aircraft descended rapidly and at an elevation of 7,000 feet broke into several pieces that landed within an area two miles wide by 11 � miles long. Observers on the ground said the plane's left-wing engine caught fire, after which there was a midair explosion. Five crewmen were killed in the accident.

October 11, 1957, Homestead Air Force Base, Homestead, Florida

A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon and its separated fissile core crashed shortly after takeoff. The aircraft crashed in an inhabited area approximately 3,800 feet from the end of the runway, enveloping the nuclear weapon and its fissile core in flames which burned and smoldered for approximately four hours. Although two small explosions occurred during the burning, the weapon core and its carrying case were recovered intact and only slightly damaged by the heat. Approximately one-half of the weapon remained and all its major components were recovered but damaged.


March 11, 1958, Florence, South Carolina

A B-47E accidentally jettisoned an unarmed nuclear weapon without its fissile core at 15,000 feet, which impacted in a sparsely populated area 6-1/2 miles east of Florence, South Carolina. The bomb's high explosive material exploded on impact, causing property damage and several injuries. The aircraft, which was heading to an undisclosed overseas base, returned to Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia without further incident.
Numerous accounts of the accident describe the bomb falling in the garden of Mr. Walter Gregg in Mars Bluff, South Carolina. The high explosive detonation virtually destroyed his house, creating a crater 50-70 feet in diameter and 25-30 feet deep. It caused minor injuries to Mr. Gregg and five members of his family, and damaged five other houses as well as a church. Following the accident, Air Force crews were ordered to "lock in" their nuclear bombs, which reduced the possibility of accidental drops but increased the danger during a plane crash.


If these make your hair a little grayer The Russian standards for handling NUKES and reporting of accidents is way below ours. If you ever find out how many of theirs, have been lost, dumped or consumed by fire and accidents. Our problems are minor. There are open "hot spots" in Russia today that no one monitors or checks for emissions of radio active dust and contaminants into the atmosphere. They go up into the jet stream and around the world. Our detection devices find the radio activity but have no idea of it's source.
Nothing has ever been just casual in handling any and all nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal


"Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes
 
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Some more intersting stuff I got from here that I will cut and paste. There is more, but I only did those that happened in the US.

May 22, 1957, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico

A nuclear weapon without its fissile core fell from the bomb bay of a B-36 at an altitude of 1,700 feet and exploded upon impact. The bomber was transporting both the weapon and its fissile core, which had been removed for safety, from Biggs Air Force Base in Texas to Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Although parachutes attached to the weapon were deployed during its descent, they did not function properly.

The nuclear weapon was completely destroyed in the detonation which occurred approximately 4.5 miles south of the Kirtland control tower and 0.3 miles west of the Sandia Base reservation, creating a blast crater approximately 25 feet in diameter and 12 feet deep. Fragments of the bomb and debris were scattered over a one mile area. A radiological survey of the area was conducted, but revealed no radioactive contamination beyond the lip of the crater.

November 26, 1958, Chennault Air Force Base, Lake Charles, Louisiana

A B-47 bomber caught fire on the ground, destroying the single nuclear weapon onboard. Contamination was limited to the immediate vicinity of the aircraft wreckage.


July 6, 1959, Barksdale Air Force Base, Bossier City, Louisiana

A C-124 aircraft transporting a nuclear weapon without its fissile core crashed during takeoff, completely destroying the aircraft and nuclear weapon. There was a limited amount of contamination immediately below the destroyed weapon, but not enough to hamper rescue or firefighting operations.


June 7, 1960, McGuire Air Force Base, near Trenton, New Jersey

A BOMARC* air defense missile being stored in a ready state that permitted its launch in two minutes was destroyed after a high pressure helium tank exploded and ruptured the missile's fuel tanks. Although the warhead was also destroyed by the fire, the safety devices acted properly and prevented the weapon's high explosives from detonating. A New York Times article described a near nuclear disaster, noting that the missile "melted under an intense blaze fed by its 100-pound detonator TNT...The atomic warhead apparently dropped into the molten mass that was left of the missile, which burned for forty-five minutes." The ensuing radiation "had been caused when thoriated magnesium metal which forms part of the weapon, caught fire." The Pentagon report said that only the area immediately beneath the weapon and an adjacent elongated area approximately 100 feet long were contaminated by water runoff from fighting the fire.

December 8, 1964, Bunker Hill (now Grissom) Air Force Base, Peru, Indiana

A B-58 bomber lost control and slid off a runway during taxi, causing portions of the five nuclear weapons onboard to burn in an ensuing fire. There were no detonations and contamination was limited to the immediate area of the crash.


October 11, 1965, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, near Dayton, Ohio

A C-124 transport aircraft containing nuclear weapons components and a dummy training unit caught fire while being refueled. The fire started at the aft end of the refueling trailer and destroyed the aircraft's fuselage. There were no casualties and the resultant radiation hazard was minimal.

September 19, 1980, Damascus, Arkansas

Fuel vapors from a Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) exploded in the missile's silo, blowing off the 740-ton silo door of reinforced concrete and steel and catapulting the missile's nuclear warhead 600 feet. The accident occurred when an Air Force repairman dropped a heavy wrench socket that struck the missile, causing a leak in the missile's pressurized fuel tank. The fuel caught fire and exploded approximately 8 � hours later, killing one person and injuring twenty-one others. The missile's reentry vehicle, which contained a nuclear warhead, was recovered intact.


July 28, 1957, Over the Atlantic Ocean

A C-124 transport aircraft that was having mechanical problems jettisoned two nuclear weapons without their fissile cores off the east coast of the United States. The C-124 was en route from Dover Air Force Base in Delaware when it lost power to its number one and two engines. The crew determined that level flight could not be maintained with the weight of the weapons onboard and decided to jettison the cargo. Although neither weapon detonated, both are presumed to have been damaged from impact with the ocean surface and to have sunk almost instantly. Neither the weapons nor debris were ever found. The C-124 safely landed at an airfield near Atlantic City, New Jersey, with the remaining weapon and nuclear warhead aboard.


February 5, 1958, Savannah River, Georgia

A nuclear weapon without a fissile core was lost following a mid-air collision. A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon without its fissile core collided with a F-86 aircraft near Savannah, Georgia. Following three unsuccessful attempts to land the plane at Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia, the weapon was jettisoned to avoid the risk of a high explosive detonation at the base. The weapon was jettisoned into the water several miles from the mouth of Savannah River in Wassaw Sound off Tybee Beach, but the precise point of impact is unknown. The weapon's high explosives did not detonate on impact. A subsequent search covering three square miles used divers and sonar devices, but failed to find the weapon. The search was ended on April 16, 1958, and the weapon was considered to be irretrievably lost.


Some accounts of nuclear weapon accidents list a February 12, 1958, accident involving a B-47 near Savannah, Georgia. "The best estimate" of the weapon's location, an earlier DoD narrative noted, "was determined to be 31 degrees 54' 15" North, 80 degrees 54' 45" West." The B-47 was on a simulated combat mission from Florida's Homestead Air Force Base.


September 25, 1959, Off Whidbey Island, Washington

A U.S. Navy P-5M aircraft carrying an unarmed nuclear depth charge without its fissile core crashed into Puget Sound near Whidbey Island, Washington. The weapon was never recovered.

January 24, 1961, Goldsboro, North Carolina

In what nearly became a nuclear catastrophe, a B-52 bomber on airborne alert carrying two nuclear weapons broke apart in midair. The B-52 experienced structural failure in its right wing and the aircraft's resulting breakup released the two weapons from a height of 2,000-10,000 feet. One of the bomb's parachutes deployed properly and that weapon's damage was minimal. However, the second bomb's parachute malfunctioned and the weapon broke apart upon impact, scattering its components over a wide area. According to Daniel Ellsberg, the weapon could have accidentally fired because "five of the six safety devices had failed." Nuclear physicist Ralph E. Lapp supported this assertion, saying that "only a single switch" had "prevented the bomb from detonating and spreading fire and destruction over a wide area."
Despite an extensive search of the waterlogged farmland where the weapon was believed to have landed, the bomb's highly enriched uranium core was never recovered. In order to prevent any discovery of the lost portion of the weapon, the Air Force purchased an easement which required that permission be obtained before any construction or digging could begin in the area. Three crew members were killed in the crash.
The accident was apparently so serious that it was reported to newly-elected President John F. Kennedy. According to Newsweek, President Kennedy was informed after the accident that "there had been more than 60 accidents involving nuclear weapons" since World War II, "including two cases in which nuclear-tipped anti-aircraft missiles were actually launched by inadvertence." As a result of the Goldsboro accident, the U.S. placed many new safety devices on its nuclear arsenal and the Soviet Union was encouraged to do the same.

April 11, 1950, Manzano Base, Albuquerque, New Mexico

A B-29 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon, four spare detonators, and a crew of thirteen crashed into a mountain near Manzano Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The crash occurred within three minutes of departure from the Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and resulted in a major fire which was reported by the New York Times as being visible from "fifteen miles." The bomb's casing was completely demolished and its high explosives ignited upon contact with the plane's burning fuel. However, according to the DoD, the four spare detonators and all nuclear components were recovered. A nuclear detonation was not possible because the weapon's core, while being carried on-board, was not placed in the weapon for safety reasons. All thirteen crew members were killed.

November 4, 1958, Dyess Air Force Base, Abilene, Texas

A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon caught fire during takeoff and crashed from an altitude of 1,500 feet, killing one crew member. The resulting detonation of high explosives created a crater 35 feet in diameter and six feet deep. Nuclear materials from the weapon were recovered near the crash site.


October 15, 1959, Hardinsberg, Kentucky

A B-52 bomber carrying two atomic bombs collided at 32,000 feet with a KC-135 refueling aircraft shortly after initiating refueling procedures near Hardinsberg, Kentucky. The ensuing crash killed 8 crew members and partially burned one of the weapons. No nuclear material was released, however, and the unarmed weapons were recovered intact. Both planes had departed from Columbus Air Force Base in Mississippi.


*January 19, 1961, Monticello, Utah

A B-52 bomber carrying one or more nuclear weapons was reported to have exploded in midair about 10 miles north of Monticello, Utah. The bomber had left Biggs AFB near El Paso, Texas, bound for Bismarck, North Dakota, on a routine "round-robin" training mission. Near Monticello the aircraft began climbing from 36,000 to 40,000 feet and soon experienced a violent bump followed by a descending right roll of about 410 degrees, a short period of wings-level, nose-down flight, and then a violent spin. The aircraft descended rapidly and at an elevation of 7,000 feet broke into several pieces that landed within an area two miles wide by 11 � miles long. Observers on the ground said the plane's left-wing engine caught fire, after which there was a midair explosion. Five crewmen were killed in the accident.

October 11, 1957, Homestead Air Force Base, Homestead, Florida

A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon and its separated fissile core crashed shortly after takeoff. The aircraft crashed in an inhabited area approximately 3,800 feet from the end of the runway, enveloping the nuclear weapon and its fissile core in flames which burned and smoldered for approximately four hours. Although two small explosions occurred during the burning, the weapon core and its carrying case were recovered intact and only slightly damaged by the heat. Approximately one-half of the weapon remained and all its major components were recovered but damaged.


March 11, 1958, Florence, South Carolina

A B-47E accidentally jettisoned an unarmed nuclear weapon without its fissile core at 15,000 feet, which impacted in a sparsely populated area 6-1/2 miles east of Florence, South Carolina. The bomb's high explosive material exploded on impact, causing property damage and several injuries. The aircraft, which was heading to an undisclosed overseas base, returned to Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia without further incident.
Numerous accounts of the accident describe the bomb falling in the garden of Mr. Walter Gregg in Mars Bluff, South Carolina. The high explosive detonation virtually destroyed his house, creating a crater 50-70 feet in diameter and 25-30 feet deep. It caused minor injuries to Mr. Gregg and five members of his family, and damaged five other houses as well as a church. Following the accident, Air Force crews were ordered to "lock in" their nuclear bombs, which reduced the possibility of accidental drops but increased the danger during a plane crash.


If these make your hair a little grayer The Russian standards for handling NUKES and reporting of accidents is way below ours. If you ever find out how many of theirs, have been lost, dumped or consumed by fire and accidents. Our problems are minor. There are open "hot spots" in Russia today that no one monitors or checks for emissions of radio active dust and contaminants into the atmosphere. They go up into the jet stream and around the world. Our detection devices find the radio activity but have no idea of it's source.
Nothing has ever been just casual in handling any and all nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal


Geeeeeeezzzzzzzzz!
I knew we were really tight azzed when handling "them" aboard ship, but this is beyond the realm of belief! I d@mned near chocked on my hot chocolate this morning reading this...
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I realize the Russians are not as careful on handling them, as we are. One main reason that I posted the list, is because popsiq had made the remark of none ever being dropped in the US other than open water. This list, which hasn't been updated since 1980, just shows some of what has happened in the US.


 
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I realize the Russians are not as careful on handling them, as we are. One main reason that I posted the list, is because popsiq had made the remark of none ever being dropped in the US other than open water. This list, which hasn't been updated since 1980, just shows some of what has happened in the US.


It raised my "pucker factor" by about a quotient of ten bazillion, whew!
I had know of the one that went down in '58, but not about the others...
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The moral of the story boys and girls...."they dont go off by accident". Otherwise we would have had a mess to clean up before now.


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To be honest Sunliner, it raised mine too! I mean, I know Russia doesn't take the care we do, so to see that we have had this many makes me wonder just how many have they had?

And I agree RM444. The fact they had them on a B-52 wasn't a big deal. The big deal is how did it go to the point that they were discovered by folks at Barksdale? Could this be a cover to remind certain countries that we do indeed have deployable nukes? I can think of three that might need to be reminded..... 2 Middle Eastern countries, and one South American country.


 
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To be honest Sunliner, it raised mine too! I mean, I know Russia doesn't take the care we do, so to see that we have had this many makes me wonder just how many have they had?

And I agree RM444. The fact they had them on a B-52 wasn't a big deal. The big deal is how did it go to the point that they were discovered by folks at Barksdale? Could this be a cover to remind certain countries that we do indeed have deployable nukes? I can think of three that might need to be reminded..... 2 Middle Eastern countries, and one South American country.


Interesting speculation...
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The moral of the story boys and girls...."they dont go off by accident". Otherwise we would have had a mess to clean up before now.


Hey, I'm not that old. You have got to remember all the nuclear testing we did here in New Mexico.
Remember the one where they had the Army troops in the duck and cover in the trenches. Touched her off and then had a squad advance into the blast area with radiation detection followed by the troops that had ducked in the open trenches. Well to be fair they did give them goggles. While the civilian population, faces pressed against the chain link fence to watch the action. Perfectly safe???? Huh? Then we blew up most of Bikini with nuclear blasts. Sunk a moored fleet complete with animals tethered on deck with a subsurface blast. No water evaporation from that blast went into the atmosphere. Went to underground testing, safer? We have set off numerous nuclear weapons right here in this country. The Soviet union was trying to out blast us. These things can and will go bang. As we learned about the effects of nuclear radiation and the particles being so small they shot right through the human body doing all kinds of damage to internal organs. We started to "clean up our act". Until then the mental midgets were dreaming of mini nuclear weapons and a controlled nuclear war. We have had plenty of nuclear explosions in the open in this country. Want to take a look at radiation leaks from nuclear power plants and nuclear accidents at these plants. Right in your neighborhood, the real responsible people with nuclear anything became the U.S. military. While we were busy contaminating the heck out of this country, just what do you think the Soviet Union was doing improving road side rest areas in their country?
If your worried about contaminated anything coming from China we did a real good job of contaminating most of our prime agricultural land. The food basket of our nation with radio active particles from our nuclear testing craze post WWII well into the 70's. Now the half life of this stuff is just 2000 years. Must be all gone by now, or have we just quit talking about it. How do you find out if your home is on fire? I believe it's called a smoke detector. Handy little gadget we all got them. How do they work? They look for ionization in the atmosphere of our home. How do they do that? They have a radio active source in them which compares that level of ionization with the level of ionization of the atmosphere in your home. Ionization occurs during the combustion process. Smoke, ionization, beep. It tells you just don't chuck one of these when your done with it. It has a radioactive source in it. I'll just bet everyone of those get handled properly. Radio active Radon boils up out of deep wells right into your house hold. It is harmful when the Radon gas is inhaled. Radiation from granite is everywhere.
Before I became too worried about well trained military people with accountability handling nuclear weapons. I would have a good hard look around my own backyard. Constant exposure to very small amounts of radiation is just as deadly as one big bang.
Another slow snooze day. Should have called this one NUKE ARMED B-52 gone wild. Accidentally flown. How about that. The crew has no idea of the upload, calculating, CG, rotation and fuel consumption. Wow!! smartest air crew I ever heard of.
 
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The moral of the story boys and girls...."they dont go off by accident". Otherwise we would have had a mess to clean up before now.


Hey, I'm not that old. You have got to remember all the nuclear testing we did here in New Mexico.
Remember the one where they had the Army troops in the duck and cover in the trenches. Touched her off and then had a squad advance into the blast area with radiation detection followed by the troops that had ducked in the open trenches. Well to be fair they did give them goggles. While the civilian population, faces pressed against the chain link fence to watch the action. Perfectly safe???? Huh? Then we blew up most of Bikini with nuclear blasts. Sunk a moored fleet complete with animals tethered on deck with a subsurface blast. No water evaporation from that blast went into the atmosphere. Went to underground testing, safer? We have set off numerous nuclear weapons right here in this country. The Soviet union was trying to out blast us. These things can and will go bang. As we learned about the effects of nuclear radiation and the particles being so small they shot right through the human body doing all kinds of damage to internal organs. We started to "clean up our act". Until then the mental midgets were dreaming of mini nuclear weapons and a controlled nuclear war. We have had plenty of nuclear explosions in the open in this country. Want to take a look at radiation leaks from nuclear power plants and nuclear accidents at these plants. Right in your neighborhood, the real responsible people with nuclear anything became the U.S. military. While we were busy contaminating the heck out of this country, just what do you think the Soviet Union was doing improving road side rest areas in their country?
If your worried about contaminated anything coming from China we did a real good job of contaminating most of our prime agricultural land. The food basket of our nation with radio active particles from our nuclear testing craze post WWII well into the 70's. Now the half life of this stuff is just 2000 years. Must be all gone by now, or have we just quit talking about it. How do you find out if your home is on fire? I believe it's called a smoke detector. Handy little gadget we all got them. How do they work? They look for ionization in the atmosphere of our home. How do they do that? They have a radio active source in them which compares that level of ionization with the level of ionization of the atmosphere in your home. Ionization occurs during the combustion process. Smoke, ionization, beep. It tells you just don't chuck one of these when your done with it. It has a radioactive source in it. I'll just bet everyone of those get handled properly. Radio active Radon boils up out of deep wells right into your house hold. It is harmful when the Radon gas is inhaled. Radiation from granite is everywhere.
Before I became too worried about well trained military people with accountability handling nuclear weapons. I would have a good hard look around my own backyard. Constant exposure to very small amounts of radiation is just as deadly as one big bang.
Another slow snooze day. Should have called this one NUKE ARMED B-52 gone wild. Accidentally flown. How about that. The crew has no idea of the upload, calculating, CG, rotation and fuel consumption. Wow!! smartest air crew I ever heard of.


Hmmm, makes one believe that this was message for someone, to take notice, that the weapons are still available. Not too worried about "background radiation", nice phrase huh? It's just the big booms that worry me. I was on a "nukie" loading team in the U.S.N., so I know they just don't go boom on their own, actually really hard to get them to have a nuclear detonation, far easier to get the conventional explosive on board to go. Also the U.S.N. was really "anal retentive" about moving them, even aboard ship, Marines with M-14's have no sense of humor. Well, just wonder who the message was for, by "accidentally" flying some...
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My thanks to those who enjoyed my earlier post. I agree totally with Sunliner81, when he said nukes don't go boom on their own - not even when you accidentally drop them a few thousand feet, or torch them with a couple thousand gallons of JP-4 jet fuel. The DOE tests nuclear safety by torching weapons, slamming them into walls with rockets, all kinds of torture testing. Nukes are engineered not to accidentally go boom because long ago someone realized that if you make them too touchy then some idiot will bump one too hard and then your airplane patch will be an ionized gas cloud at 65,000 ft. That makes for a VERY bad day in Jack Bauer's book (or anybody else's)!

My concern is that somehow, six of these suckers got out of their cribs without anyone noticing. It should be a little bit harder to get a live nuke out of the ammo dump than to take your ID card to MWR and get a beach ball handed over the counter. And no, I am not buying it that this was a demonstration to the world that we own nuclear weapons. If anyone doubts that, we could just send them a postcard from the Peace Dome Memorial in Hiroshima. Much safer and lower cost, and just as effective.

And no, it wasn't some secret cabal conspiracy either. If this had been some super-secret hush-hush stuff - then guess what? we wouldn't have heard about it!

What this was, was a supreme cluster-F.

Too bad it wasn't an intentional EWO mission, it woulda been nice to make it 5,000 degrees in the shade for a half-dozen countries that don't like the USA. Maybe make believers out of North Korea, Iran, etc. "Temperatures in Tehran reached a high of four million degrees today, cooling to a mild six thousand tomorrow. Sunrise was at 8:04, 8:07, 8:09, and 8:10. Time to break out your SPF 10,000 sunscreen, folks!" Hehehehehe...
 
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the short answer to Russian "oop-sies" is
yes, there have been at least a similar if not higher number of accidents over the years.
Unlike the US in which a poster was easily able to show many documented instances, the lax record keeping and the lack of a secure organised central repository of such records free from manipulation makes presenting such instances on this thread exceedingly difficult.
As also pointed out, some of these locations make themselves known simply because they are now radioactive "hot spots". There are several bomber staging bases and other facilities that have been "unexpectedly closed" over the years and still have high levels of contamination and often records of the cause were often "lost".

Although there were regulations and procedures in place for the transport and safe keeping of NUKES in the former USSR they were often ignored resulting in several "incidents" over the years. If I get some spare time I will try to post the sites and some of the incidents that occured during these years.
It is no secret that the US was far more careful and had more safety features that thier Soviet counterparts did. Thank God that thier carelessness did not lead to a large catastophe during the cold war
 
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Anyone remember a movie called "Fail Safe" with Hank Fonda? What a piece of work. Applause


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Anyone remember a movie called "Fail Safe" with Hank Fonda? What a piece of work. Applause
}}}}}}}}}One of the greatest works of all time. Also labled "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb". They should show it again this week.
 
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Anyone remember a movie called "Fail Safe" with Hank Fonda? What a piece of work. Applause
}}}}}}}}}One of the greatest works of all time. Also labled "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb". They should show it again this week.


Thought the one your referenced was "Dr. Strangelove"...
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Dr. Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb) is the full title of that one yes.Satire though.Not like "Fail Safe" which was a stark warning.


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Dr. Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb) is the full title of that one yes.Satire though.Not like "Fail Safe" which was a stark warning.


Glad it never happened!
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Dr. Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb) is the full title of that one yes.Satire though.Not like "Fail Safe" which was a stark warning.
}}}}}}}}Right on Dr. Strangelove. I should never have confused those two. Watching the commander ride the bomb down was entertaining. Failsafe was scary in its realism and how well the story was put together. We dodged a huge one a few times during that era. I hope we keep away from replaying that superpower blink game. If someone finds the declassified Russian oooops, that would be of interest to us all.
 
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Dr. Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb) is the full title of that one yes.Satire though.Not like "Fail Safe" which was a stark warning.


Glad it never happened!
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}}}}}}}You are right there. It was calculated in early 1964 that we now had enough between us to destroy the world 20 times over. That probably grew some before they started limiting, then reducing.[In theory] Who knows what can never be verified. I think if we get desperate enough, some of these mountains where the bad guy is still hiding, laughing at us, can be flattened to take away that cover. You can bet the Russians thought about it before they gave up.
 
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Don't mean to be a wet blanket , but with China , Russia , and India ramping up I think it's here we go again .
 
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Don't mean to be a wet blanket , but with China , Russia , and India ramping up I think it's here we go again .


You just may be right on that, I hope you're not, but, I'm beginning to think otherwise.
I mean what better time to come after us, when we are wrapped up in a war, over extended economically with our factories off shored, in hock to a potential enemy, the PRC, and our economy in a shambles with massive amounts of people loosing their homes to repossession and the loan companies and banks going broke.
Yup, it might be a good time to think about it, on the part of others.
I hope not, but...
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