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Don't those things have to be armed before using?

Never heard of an unarmed one going off. But they have fallen off aircraft before. How do you think you and the neighbours would react would be to one in your street?

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Originally posted by Cleatus45:
its Bushes fault....

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Cleatus, how could you have left out, Rove, the VP, the neo cons. I bet Bush was going to use one of the missles to fire on an American city and then blame it on Iran. Yeah, that's the ticket.

How do you know all that?
Them little voices tellin' you things again Sarge?

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This thread seems to wander through la la land.
I remember standing orders. The NUKE security discussed on this thread is about what I remember it to be. I enjoyed watching the APs go into flip out mode when we moved a NUKE. They went max flip out when we exchanged one. That required the C-130 to haul one in and one out. Security??? well that's another issue. Our bomb storage was in a strange place. The NUKE had to be hauled down a wooded road surrounded by private land. Under a public road and on to the storage. Any civilian could get to within 20 feet of the bomb no problem. No one secured the civilian side of the fence. The convoy of APs was so obvious anyone knew what they were moving. Civilians on the other side of the fence would get curious at all the commotion and stop to watch on the over pass. They had to go directly under them, with no security on the over pass.
After Chrome Dome. When we went on alert. The AC remained parked in the hardened shelters. Standing orders were, if we got the order to launch, we were to go directly to target, yea I know, the box with the 2 keys drill. If we were contacted by anyone and told to turn back we were to assume the command post had been compromised and ignore, even if we recognized the voice. If we launched it was and would be nuclear war. The only turn back would be to shoot us down. We did black powder starts and run ups in the shelter only. The only AC movement was the refuelers. We called that exercise walking the elephants. Nobody moved any NUKES anywhere, except for the Navy. They had them on subs and ships, both portable and both moving somewhere on the oceans.
This story sounds like someone popped open the NUKE locker, clipped an upload onto a BUFF and boogied. Almost as possible as getting a notice in the mail to pay no more income tax. Broken Arrows happened during Chrome Dome. After that things got so tight nothing with the NUKE word attached to it went anywhere without notification and paper work up the wazoo. There was even a provision to always make notification to the CIC when one was transported. This is like reading Red October. Enough information to make it almost believable, but not enough to make it true. Hey there is nothing like getting a good nights rest on the flight deck floor of a BUFF, in a sleeping bag. We'll leave the light on for ya.

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popsiq - what do you think would have happened if one of the ACMs had departed the acft?

Answer - certainly not detonation (as the weapons were not armed) and probably nothing at all. Warheads are designed to take shock without spilling their radioactive components.

So what is the big OOPS you refer to?

The only accidental departures were over water. Even then the retrievals were classified so we don't know the condition of the warheads.

I know that a minute quantity of medical grade material being transported by small plane in a 'crash proof' container caused no small concern when the plane went down in Winnipeg two years ago.

A cruise missile's safety systems, I'm not up on. (Aren't old warheads being replaced to make them "safer" and "more reliable"?) I can't find anything about them being tested for integrity in a free drop from 30 000 feet. Sparing accidental detonation which would make the following a moot point, would you like to see one in your back garden?

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Thank goodness bombs are 'safe'.

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Particularily Russia, the country that keeps flying their "Bear" bombers into NATO airspace and our (U.S.) own.

You're the second one to-day to come out with this. Is this something you know to be a fact? (Prove it.)

Or is it something you were told, or imagined?

Do you not get the complete news up there in Canada. Russia flew one into US airspace last week, and one into British airspace yesterday or today.

I always take the news with a grain of salt, but come on.......Russia is on a path to re-establish their military stregnth. The writing has been on the wall for the last few years.

Don't be THAT GUY

Cite your source bub, will ya?

I read about the 'Bears' yesterday, and last week too. Our papers tend to print stuff yours' 'miss'. They were in international airspace near Norway, Scotland and the East Coast. Before that near Guam.

I agree that the Russkis are trying to stage a comeback. I'm surprised that GWB didn't see that in Putin's soul when he gazed in there. Sticking a missile defense system up his backside was not a smart move.

Flying bombers into OP's airspace, particularly Mr. Bush's, is 'asking for' a retaliatory strike.

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A COUP?! Geeez! You've been watchin' way to many movies...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

It wouldnt be the first time sunliner. Remember Prescot Bushes plan to overthrow Roosevelt in the 30s and align with the Nazis? The trial of the General involved? Prescots harriman group charged with trading with the enemy in the early forties, Its the same family so why so far out in the 21st century? Its a thought and if we forget history we are doomed to repeat it. Constant vigilance.And most plans in life that succeed are the in your face unexpected and most unlikly ludicris ones that people dont even consider.

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fmfdoc451

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The commander was fired? Gee, I thought that was what chief master sergeants were for, that is, to have someone to blame when things go tango uniform.

Hey, we are talking AirForce, here..... not Army attached to an Iraq Prison.

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john2x

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Another "Bush basher" suffering from "BDS"...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

There you go again sunliner Why is that not Possible? Not saying it is true but certainly not dimissing it in the name of Patriotism. Have you ever dealt with the criminal mind like in profiling? Not the street purse snatcher the clever ones corporate organized? There like magicians they create an illusion by distracting and doing the completely unexpected

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Originally posted by TucsonTrek:
I used to be a USAF "mushroom canner" on a B-52 base, and without divulging anything classified I can tell you that ANY nuclear weapons movements require coordinated activity between munitions control, the weapons storage area, security police central security control, and security police WSA patrols, just to open the closet door! EVERY action is done according to a checklist that is checked and rechecked. To actually MOVE a crowd-pleaser requires even more coordination, to include the base command post notifying MAJCOM HQ. And that is just to move it a few hundred feet to the maintenance shack, inside the bomb dump!

ALCMs or ACMs with full-up nukes on board would be under continuous munitions troop two-man policy and also have continuous security provided by multiple layers of armed guards. Anyone even farting in the general direction of an uploaded B-52 would initiate a major response from SPS, to include several Peacekeeper APCs armed with M-60s or Ma-Deuces and LOTS of very upset SPs with every conceivable man-portable weapon. Those SPs are trained to stop anything from one disgruntled ammo troop who has gone kookoo for cocoa puffs, all the way to an armed terrorist attack with air support. And, just in case the SPs decide to secede from the US and become a nuclear power, the ammo troops had their own separate arsenal of weapons with orders to kill anyone who tried to touch the party favors.

That six full-up cosmic catastrophes were loaded on a BUFF, which then took off without being shot to pieces before it taxied off the hard stand is an incredible FUBAR. And this doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that after it happened, some loose-lipped idiot let it leak. Whatever happened to, "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear weapons at any Air Force installation"? In MY day, the person(s) responsible for the unauthorized release of nuclear weapons would be subject to the UCMJ and a trip to Kansas. The person who blabbed it off would have been personally shot by CINCSAC.

This is what happens when you take a great organization like the Strategic Air Command apart, and bastardize the remnants with TAC mentality. General Curtis Emerson LeMay is now busy clawing his way out of his grave, to go and haunt the living crap out of the entire command staffs of Minot and Barksdale AFBs....

I AM a SAC asset, eleven years into retirement - and I can tell you that it won't take many incidents like this before CSAF realizes that SAC needs to come back.

After reading all of these posts, espeically yours, I don't think that this "FUBAR" was a mistake at all, but a "warning" to Iran or a dis information tatic designed to scare the enemy and all of those Airmen who were "fired" will be quietly shuffled of to cushy jobs in the Pentagon until their retirement.

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I just don't think this was an accident, we are trying to send someone a message.

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Originally posted by 09Recon:
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Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
SNIP FOR BREVITY
The fact that they were taking anthrax vaccine a full month before the first reported case of anthrax poisoning is at the very least highly suspicious.

Cipro isn't exclusive to Anthrax. It's used for hundreds of other pathogens.

Anthrax is very much the 'Top-40' bioweapon because it's easy for people to remember, it sounds very scary and it's been threatened before.

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There's nothing suspicious about the governmental leadership taking steps to prophylax against an agent that's almost certain to be used especially when it's so incredibly easy to do so.

It's prophylaxis, not conspiracy.

Pre-posting shots are one thing, a wide range anti-biotic is something else. Maybe it was legionnaires in the situation room AC unit but how come nobody was prophylaxing the rest of us, even after the Anthrax hit the mail?

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Originally posted by TucsonTrek:
I used to be a USAF "mushroom canner" on a B-52 base, and without divulging anything classified I can tell you that ANY nuclear weapons movements require coordinated activity between munitions control, the weapons storage area, security police central security control, and security police WSA patrols, just to open the closet door! EVERY action is done according to a checklist that is checked and rechecked. To actually MOVE a crowd-pleaser requires even more coordination, to include the base command post notifying MAJCOM HQ. And that is just to move it a few hundred feet to the maintenance shack, inside the bomb dump!

ALCMs or ACMs with full-up nukes on board would be under continuous munitions troop two-man policy and also have continuous security provided by multiple layers of armed guards. Anyone even farting in the general direction of an uploaded B-52 would initiate a major response from SPS, to include several Peacekeeper APCs armed with M-60s or Ma-Deuces and LOTS of very upset SPs with every conceivable man-portable weapon. Those SPs are trained to stop anything from one disgruntled ammo troop who has gone kookoo for cocoa puffs, all the way to an armed terrorist attack with air support. And, just in case the SPs decide to secede from the US and become a nuclear power, the ammo troops had their own separate arsenal of weapons with orders to kill anyone who tried to touch the party favors.

That six full-up cosmic catastrophes were loaded on a BUFF, which then took off without being shot to pieces before it taxied off the hard stand is an incredible FUBAR. And this doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that after it happened, some loose-lipped idiot let it leak. Whatever happened to, "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear weapons at any Air Force installation"? In MY day, the person(s) responsible for the unauthorized release of nuclear weapons would be subject to the UCMJ and a trip to Kansas. The person who blabbed it off would have been personally shot by CINCSAC.

This is what happens when you take a great organization like the Strategic Air Command apart, and bastardize the remnants with TAC mentality. General Curtis Emerson LeMay is now busy clawing his way out of his grave, to go and haunt the living crap out of the entire command staffs of Minot and Barksdale AFBs....

I AM a SAC asset, eleven years into retirement - and I can tell you that it won't take many incidents like this before CSAF realizes that SAC needs to come back.

Thanks for your concise, informative and witty post.

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Someone would snap it up and put it on E-bay.

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Originally posted by joedokes:
Don't those things have to be armed before using?

Never heard of an unarmed one going off. But they have fallen off aircraft before. How do you think you and the neighbours would react would be to one in your street?

"Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes

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GavriloPrincip322

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Originally posted by 09Recon:
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Originally posted by GavriloPrincip322:
SNIP FOR BREVITY
The fact that they were taking anthrax vaccine a full month before the first reported case of anthrax poisoning is at the very least highly suspicious.

Cipro isn't exclusive to Anthrax. It's used for hundreds of other pathogens.

Anthrax is very much the 'Top-40' bioweapon because it's easy for people to remember, it sounds very scary and it's been threatened before.

There's nothing suspicious about the governmental leadership taking steps to prophylax against an agent that's almost certain to be used especially when it's so incredibly easy to do so.

When I was on active duty, every time some 4th world warlord would jump up and down in front of an Africa based Reuters news crew, I went in and got all of my shots updated. Everything from plague to dengue fever to yellow fever.

Cipro isn't some magical element that's only useable by the chosen few. It's just another antibiotic. It happens to work against Anthrax.

If there was to be a bioweapon attack, Anthrax is likely to be used because the western news viewing public's limited attention span can understand things like, "Anthrax, it's almost always fatal, it's easy to use, it's bad stuff."

There's nothing out of place to take countermeasures especially when you belong to a group of people who are above the 99th percentile of probability for targeting. It's a case of taking precautions against the attacks that are almost certain to be aimed at you. It's exactly why the President wears body armor. There's no mysterious and eldritch reasoning that leads one down the path of mystery and dark dealings. It's a guy who's almost 100% certain to have some nutjob wanting to spray his house with a biological weapon. It's protecting against a bioweapon that's almost 100% certain to be chosen by the nutjob.

It's prophylaxis, not conspiracy.

There is no logical explanation as to why the administration started taking Cipro on 9/11 except that they knew something about the pending anthrax mailings. Notice how the anthrax mailings were designed to look like they came from Muslims? It's called "false flag" when you stage an event and make it look like someone else is responsible. The anthrax was Ames strain from Fort Detrick and you know that.

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rm444

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Didnt the Air Force do a freefall test in the mid 60s by crashing a KC-135 and a B-52 off the coast of Spain? Lost both ships and crew i think, but recovered the bombs intact.

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Originally posted by sw614:
popsiq - what do you think would have happened if one of the ACMs had departed the acft?

Answer - certainly not detonation (as the weapons were not armed) and probably nothing at all. Warheads are designed to take shock without spilling their radioactive components.

So what is the big OOPS you refer to?

The only accidental departures were over water. Even then the retrievals were classified so we don't know the condition of the warheads.

I know that a minute quantity of medical grade material being transported by small plane in a 'crash proof' container caused no small concern when the plane went down in Winnipeg two years ago.

A cruise missile's safety systems, I'm not up on. (Aren't old warheads being replaced to make them "safer" and "more reliable"?) I can't find anything about them being tested for integrity in a free drop from 30 000 feet. Sparing accidental detonation which would make the following a moot point, would you like to see one in your back garden?

"Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes

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john2x

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It's prophylaxis, not conspiracy.

Pre-posting shots are one thing, a wide range anti-biotic is something else. Maybe it was legionnaires in the situation room AC unit but how come nobody was prophylaxing the rest of us, even after the Anthrax hit the mail?
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This is a perfect example of why a new independant 9/11 commission is desperately required and the only hope we ever have as a nation of pulling ourselves together.

F*** the Dems and The Repubs let the chips fall where they may the nation as a whole has to know and acceptthe truth whatever that may be. Exonerate beyond a doubt or convict and punish accordingly. No cost is to great its just to important and the nation is divided in opposing camps based on politics and slanted media.

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BrandonKnight

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Originally posted by popsiq:
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Originally posted by BrandonKnight:
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Originally posted by popsiq:
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Originally posted by BrandonKnight:
Particularily Russia, the country that keeps flying their "Bear" bombers into NATO airspace and our (U.S.) own.

You're the second one to-day to come out with this. Is this something you know to be a fact? (Prove it.)

Or is it something you were told, or imagined?

Do you not get the complete news up there in Canada. Russia flew one into US airspace last week, and one into British airspace yesterday or today.

I always take the news with a grain of salt, but come on.......Russia is on a path to re-establish their military stregnth. The writing has been on the wall for the last few years.

Don't be THAT GUY

Cite your source bub, will ya?

I read about the 'Bears' yesterday, and last week too. Our papers tend to print stuff yours' 'miss'. They were in international airspace near Norway, Scotland and the East Coast. Before that near Guam.

I agree that the Russkis are trying to stage a comeback. I'm surprised that GWB didn't see that in Putin's soul when he gazed in there. Sticking a missile defense system up his backside was not a smart move.

Flying bombers into OP's airspace, particularly Mr. Bush's, is 'asking for' a retaliatory strike.

International airspace????? debateable, but still close enough that each county had to launch fighter to excort the bombers out of the area.

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:

Holy Crap Batman, the fact that they would broadcast this information scares me more than the accidental loading of the nuke.

One could only imagine the way you feel about the 'secret' peace conference in Finland if you're "scared" by this media item. Secrecy isn't the mark of an open and democratic society.

I don't have a problem releasing the info, it is the fact that they made public the day the entire AF was standing down that I have a problem with, . . . they could have waited until after that for pity sakes. . .until then it should have been on a need-to-know basis.

P.S. Holy Crap pipsqueak, you don't look a thing like Batman.

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