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quote: Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty: quote: Originally posted by L0A1: quote: Originally posted by rayld2: quote: Originally posted by FlankerFlyer: quote: Originally posted by Anbar7:
WHO THE HELL IS OBAMA TO SAY WHO IS PRESIDENT OF WHAT COUNTRY. NOBODY THAT IS WHO.
We have enough problems here in the States and he is trying to dictate who is president of another country. Not within his bounds.
When a person wants to be king of the world, that person thinks his opinion is all that matters.
Another person letting hate override the FACT that by US LAW (treaties are US law) the US is REQUIRED to oppose the overthrow of any elected government. Add in the FACT you are ignoring that ALL members of the OAS have opposed this (as REQUIRED by OAS charter) overthrow and that the UN has opposed it and it is obvious YOU don't let facts get in the way of attacking people.
Didn't president Obama state it wasn't his place to meddle in other country elections? Didn't he say this recently? Can't have it both ways can we?
OAS Charter ... quote: e) Every State has the right to choose, without external interference, its political, economic, and social system and to organize itself in the way best suited to it, and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. Subject to the foregoing, the American States shall cooperate fully among themselves, independently of the nature of their political, economic, and social systems;
Then there is this ... quote: Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
... now what in the OAS charter forms the basis for Obama claiming the action taken within the Honduras was "not legal" ... or that compelled him to render a judgement at all? BTW ... if what Obama states is true, he is also compelled by our law to cut off aid to the Honduras ... and has failed to do so.
The OAS General Assembly HAS declared it to be an illegal coup. "http://www.oas.org/juridico/english/charter.html#ch2 OAS Charter Chapter 2 quote: Article 9
A Member of the Organization whose democratically constituted government has been overthrown by force may be suspended from the exercise of the right to participate in the sessions of the General Assembly, the Meeting of Consultation, the Councils of the Organization and the Specialized Conferences as well as in the commissions, working groups and any other bodies established.
a) The power to suspend shall be exercised only when such diplomatic initiatives undertaken by the Organization for the purpose of promoting the restoration of representative democracy in the affected Member State have been unsuccessful;
b) The decision to suspend shall be adopted at a special session of the General Assembly by an affirmative vote of two-thirds of the Member States;
c) The suspension shall take effect immediately following its approval by the General Assembly;
d) The suspension notwithstanding, the Organization shall endeavor to undertake additional diplomatic initiatives to contribute to the re-establishment of representative democracy in the affected Member State;
e) The Member which has been subject to suspension shall continue to fulfill its obligations to the Organization;
f) The General Assembly may lift the suspension by a decision adopted with the approval of two-thirds of the Member States;
g) The powers referred to in this article shall be exercised in accordance with this Charter.
"http://www.oas.org/charter/docs/resolution1_en_p4.htm INTER-AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC CHARTER September 11, 2001 quote:
Article 19
Based on the principles of the Charter of the OAS and subject to its norms, and in accordance with the democracy clause contained in the Declaration of Quebec City, an unconstitutional interruption of the democratic order or an unconstitutional alteration of the constitutional regime that seriously impairs the democratic order in a member state, constitutes, while it persists, an insurmountable obstacle to its government’s participation in sessions of the General Assembly, the Meeting of Consultation, the Councils of the Organization, the specialized conferences, the commissions, working groups, and other bodies of the Organization.
Article 20
In the event of an unconstitutional alteration of the constitutional regime that seriously impairs the democratic order in a member state, any member state or the Secretary General may request the immediate convocation of the Permanent Council to undertake a collective assessment of the situation and to take such decisions as it deems appropriate.
The Permanent Council, depending on the situation, may undertake the necessary diplomatic initiatives, including good offices, to foster the restoration of democracy.
If such diplomatic initiatives prove unsuccessful, or if the urgency of the situation so warrants, the Permanent Council shall immediately convene a special session of the General Assembly. The General Assembly will adopt the decisions it deems appropriate, including the undertaking of diplomatic initiatives, in accordance with the Charter of the Organization, international law, and the provisions of this Democratic Charter.
The necessary diplomatic initiatives, including good offices, to foster the restoration of democracy, will continue during the process.
Article 21
When the special session of the General Assembly determines that there has been an unconstitutional interruption of the democratic order of a member state, and that diplomatic initiatives have failed, the special session shall take the decision to suspend said member state from the exercise of its right to participate in the OAS by an affirmative vote of two thirds of the member states in accordance with the Charter of the OAS. The suspension shall take effect immediately.
The suspended member state shall continue to fulfill its obligations to the Organization, in particular its human rights obligations.
Notwithstanding the suspension of the member state, the Organization will maintain diplomatic initiatives to restore democracy in that state.
"http://www.csis.org/publication/military-coup-honduras-under-what-circumstances-did-president-manuel-zelaya-leave-hondur "Military Coup in Honduras: Under What Circumstances Did President Manuel Zelaya Leave Honduras?" quote: Q2: What international legal norms have been breached by this military coup?
A2: The coup is in violation of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, which was signed in Lima, Peru, in 2001. This charter, affirming defense of democracy in the hemisphere, has been ratified by all member states of the Organization of American States (OAS). Article 9 of the charter specifically addresses coups and the actions to be taken—including suspension from OAS membership—as a result of an illegal takeover of government. Not one government in the Americas has recognized the newly installed government, all citing it as an illegal entity in violation of international law.
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