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Motive25

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
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Originally posted by rayld2:
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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
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Sounds like maybe we oughta let them sort things out. Meantime keep the commies at bay.
Yepper ... but that doesn't sound like what Obama is doing.
By treaty the US is REQUIRED to oppose coups against any legally elected government in SA.
LMAO

Just one of those stubborn facts...

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
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Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
We'll see if they step aside or not.
Yep ... we will. Of the people, by the people, for the people ... and if the people are supportive as appears to be the case, who is Obama, Chavez, Castro ... and you ... to say otherwise? Their country and it seems to me that the left has been pretty vocal on their contention that we shouldn't interfere in another country's self determination. Hope Obama butts the hell out of where he doesn't belong ... particularly when he is spouting meaningless platitudes like "illegal coup".

This is the THIRD time you've given that list of names while leaving out Uribe of Columbia, the government of Brazil, in fact EVERY country in Latin America.

Are you going to give up eating apple pie, because Chavez loves the stuff?

Dave

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Motive25

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
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Originally posted by Motive25:
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No, I am not "for" Zelaya, but I am not "for" the coup either. What I am for is a legal political process to play itself out. The Honduran military has no business getting involved in that process. If these countries are going to advance their democratic institutions, then they have to work these things out peacefully and the military needs to stay in their barracks.

There I have to disagree ... when there is a real threat to a country's Constitution, that is precisely when the military needs to come out of its barracks and defend it ... even here in the U.S. of A should the situation arise.

There is no way the military can "defend" the constitution by taking over the government.
BS ... what a stupid comment. An LTC that has sworn to support and defend the constitution should know better. And ... in the Honduras ... free and open elections have been promised for this Fall ... with the military stepping aside.

From your comment, I should know better than you, since I am the only one of us that actually swore the oath. Nowhere in my oath or in the Constitution is there ANY provision for a military take-over of the duly elected civilian government.

And if you believe the promises of a military-led putsch to "step aside" then I have a beach in Kansas to sell you. History is not on your side.

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rayevinsonsr

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As we continue to receive lessons on coup would someone answer why or how any one person can determine the fate of a nation. There is no reasonable way you can change our constitution without Congress and the Supremes. Common sense.

Hondurans want to know why the President of the United States is siding with Chavez.

"http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288508

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rayevinsonsr

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From your comment, I should know better than you, since I am the only one of us that actually swore the oath. Nowhere in my oath or in the Constitution is there ANY provision for a military take-over of the duly elected civilian government.

One guy don't make up a damn government. That is pretty lame. One elected official against hundreds of elected representing hundreds of thousands. Did you swear to the President of the US, if you did you committed sacriledge. I sure didn't swear to President Eisenhower.

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
As we continue to receive lessons on coup would someone answer why or how any one person can determine the fate of a nation. There is no reasonable way you can change our constitution without Congress and the Supremes. Common sense.

Hondurans want to know why the President of the United States is siding with Chavez.

"http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288508

And how brave they must be to do this, considering that there's a curfew on, and no one is allowed on the streets.

When all is said and done, all of Latin America, not JUST Chavez and Castro, refer to this as an assault on Democracy itself. Except of course for those who see nothing wrong with the military overthrowing a government.

Why aren't they demanding that Columbia and Brazil mind their own business?

And oh yes, they had a "Good Excuse." He wanted to hold a non-binding referendum. Oh the horror of this leftist actually asking the people to express what THEY think. No wonder these demonstrators, obviously spontanious if they violated a curfew, are so outraged! The absolute horror of asking people to actually vote is the very definition of totalitarianism...

Dave

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Motive25

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
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From your comment, I should know better than you, since I am the only one of us that actually swore the oath. Nowhere in my oath or in the Constitution is there ANY provision for a military take-over of the duly elected civilian government.

One guy don't make up a damn government. That is pretty lame. One elected official against hundreds of elected representing hundreds of thousands. Did you swear to the President of the US, if you did you committed sacriledge. I sure didn't swear to President Eisenhower.

OK, what's YOUR magic number? Deposing one President is acceptable, but how about him & the VP? How about him, the VP and the #3 person????

Talk about lame logic!

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usa_girl

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Just curious, but why does he say Iran is none of our business and then want to take a stand on Honduras?

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rayevinsonsr

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Originally posted by Grachus:
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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
As we continue to receive lessons on coup would someone answer why or how any one person can determine the fate of a nation. There is no reasonable way you can change our constitution without Congress and the Supremes. Common sense.

Hondurans want to know why the President of the United States is siding with Chavez.

"http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288508

And how brave they must be to do this, considering that there's a curfew on, and no one is allowed on the streets.

When all is said and done, all of Latin America, not JUST Chavez and Castro, refer to this as an assault on Democracy itself. Except of course for those who see nothing wrong with the military overthrowing a government.

Why aren't they demanding that Columbia and Brazil mind their own business?

And oh yes, they had a "Good Excuse." He wanted to hold a non-binding referendum. Oh the horror of this leftist actually asking the people to express what THEY think. No wonder these demonstrators, obviously spontanious if they violated a curfew, are so outraged! The absolute horror of asking people to actually vote is the very definition of totalitarianism...

Dave

You're stating the referendum should have taken place and the hell with the Legislature, Suprime Court, his own damn party, the military, and the guy on the street, were all against it. His power play was against the law Dave, binding or non-binding he is not a king. No way can Obama or any other US President run an election for the sake of expediency. When elected it was for one term, four years and then retire, adios. Not to be retread over and over by control of election laws and threatening your opposition as your hero in Venezuela does. And you can rest assure the country is in good hand because the new President is from the same party and is left leaning. Under the Constitution the once Speaker of the House takes the oath.

"http://www.as-coa.org/article.php?id=1726

Also be aware the new President of neighbor El Salvador Mauricio Funes, Marti National party, is left leaning. So your Marxist south America is safe for the moment.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
Just curious, but why does he say Iran is none of our business and then want to take a stand on Honduras?

Do we give foreign aid to Iran? Nope - But we not only give foreign aid to Honduras, we built, created and support their military.

Do we trade with Iran? Nope - But we sure as hell trade with Honduras.

Is Iran our ally?

But we sure as hell are allied to Honduras.

Does this mean we are NOT doing as best we can to influence Iran? Sure we are, but in Iran our interference would be exactly what the Mullahs want.

There are a host of reasons why we have more of a right to put direct presure on Honduras. Does this mean we have the right to use our military? Absolutely not!

Dave

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
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Originally posted by Grachus:
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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
As we continue to receive lessons on coup would someone answer why or how any one person can determine the fate of a nation. There is no reasonable way you can change our constitution without Congress and the Supremes. Common sense.

Hondurans want to know why the President of the United States is siding with Chavez.

"http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288508

And how brave they must be to do this, considering that there's a curfew on, and no one is allowed on the streets.

When all is said and done, all of Latin America, not JUST Chavez and Castro, refer to this as an assault on Democracy itself. Except of course for those who see nothing wrong with the military overthrowing a government.

Why aren't they demanding that Columbia and Brazil mind their own business?

And oh yes, they had a "Good Excuse." He wanted to hold a non-binding referendum. Oh the horror of this leftist actually asking the people to express what THEY think. No wonder these demonstrators, obviously spontanious if they violated a curfew, are so outraged! The absolute horror of asking people to actually vote is the very definition of totalitarianism...

Dave

You're stating the referendum should have taken place and the hell with the Legislature, Suprime Court, his own damn party, the military, and the guy on the street, were all against it. His power play was against the law Dave, binding or non-binding he is not a king. No way can Obama or any other US President run an election for the sake of expediency. When elected it was for one term, four years and then retire, adios. Not to be retread over and over by control of election laws and threatening your opposition as your hero in Venezuela does. And you can rest assure the country is in good hand because the new President is from the same party and is left leaning. Under the Constitution the once Speaker of the House takes the oath.

"http://www.as-coa.org/article.php?id=1726

Also be aware the new President of neighbor El Salvador Mauricio Funes, Marti National party, is left leaning. So your Marxist south America is safe for the moment.

Ahh! So if it was a Rightest President, and a leftist legistalture, you would be outraged.

Well, for your information "his" party is NOT a leftist Party. It's about as left wing as our Republican Party. Nor have you made ONE comment on the fact that ALL of Latin America, including such people as Uribe, are against this Coup. To do so blows your whole knee jerk, "He's a leftist, he comes out of the cookie cutter machine - He probably worships Kim Jung Il."

Dave

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crackerjacks61

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Could it be that Obama is scared sh*tLiss that the AMERICAN PEOPLE might start to take their cues from those in Honduras

No because the MAJORITY of the American people back him.

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crackerjacks61

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Ain't that the truth ... and here I thought that Obama and his administration were going to put American principles over expediency ...

I'm surprised at you IM. If you had bothered to even read their constitution, you would see that he is putting American and democratic principles first. You should Educate yourself and then reconsider your post.

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I'm not surprised Obama is siding with dictators since there is much evidence he wants to be one himself. He, right now, has minions trying to find a way to get rid of term limits, and with all of the czars he keeps appointing, soon even congress will no longer be relevant. The czars will rule the country under the direction of Obama. That's one way to get rid of an enept congress...

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Airborneinfantry

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52.9 percent during the election isn't a comfortable majority. I am sure that the numbers are now less if we had the Presidential election right now!

Tea Party Demonstration 4 July 2009...
let's take our country back!

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
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Originally posted by ronald45:
Could it be that Obama is scared sh*tLiss that the AMERICAN PEOPLE might start to take their cues from those in Honduras

No because the MAJORITY of the American people back him.

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XXXhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB124640649700876791.htmlXXX

The Wages of Chavismo
The Honduran coup is a reaction to Chávez's rule by the mob.

As military "coups" go, the one this weekend in Honduras was strangely, well, democratic.

The military didn't oust President Manuel Zelaya on its own but instead followed an order of the Supreme Court. It also quickly turned power over to the president of the Honduran Congress, a man from the same party as Mr. Zelaya. The legislature and legal authorities all remain intact.......

.........We mention these not so small details because they are being overlooked as the world, including the U.S. President, denounces tiny Honduras in a way that it never has, say, Iran. President Obama is joining the U.N., Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez and other model democrats in demanding that Mr. Zelaya be allowed to return from exile and restored to power. Maybe it's time to sort the real from the phony Latin American democrats.........

.........The attorney general and Honduran courts declared the vote illegal and warned he'd be prosecuted if he followed through.

Mr. Zelaya persisted, even leading a violent mob last week to seize and distribute ballots imported from Venezuela.......

.......In Honduras Mr. Chávez funneled Veneuzelan oil money to help Mr. Zelaya win in 2005, and Mr. Zelaya has veered increasingly left in his four-year term. The Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single term, which is scheduled to end in January. Mr. Zelaya was using the extralegal referendum as an act of political intimidation to force the Congress to allow a rewrite of the constitution so he could retain power......

......Such populist intimidation has worked elsewhere in the region, and Hondurans are understandably afraid that, backed by Chávez agents and money, it could lead to similar antidemocratic subversion there. In Tegucigalpa yesterday, thousands demonstrated against Mr. Zelaya, and new deputy foreign minister Marta Lorena Casco told the crowd that "Chávez consumed Venezuela, then Bolivia, after that Ecuador and Nicaragua, but in Honduras that didn't happen."

We recall when the Clinton Administration restored Bertrand Aristide to Haiti, only to have the country descend into anarchy.

As for the Obama Administration, it seems eager to "meddle" in Honduras in a way Mr. Obama claimed was counterproductive in Iran. Yet the stolen election in Iran was a far clearer subversion of democracy than the coup in Honduras

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rayld2

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
I'm not surprised Obama is siding with dictators since there is much evidence he wants to be one himself. He, right now, has minions trying to find a way to get rid of term limits, and with all of the czars he keeps appointing, soon even congress will no longer be relevant. The czars will rule the country under the direction of Obama. That's one way to get rid of an enept congress...

LOL, YOU are substituting BLINDERS for facts becausee it gives you a chance to express your hate for Mr. Obama. This man was NOT a dictator he was overthrown by an Origarthy that saw any attempt to change the Constitution as a threat to their special priviledges.
FACTS
1) Pres of Honduras proposed a change in the Constitution using a referendum
2) Honduran SC ruled that could not be done
3) Pres called fora LEGAL non-binding referendum to determine if there was support for changing the constitution.
4) The Origarths overthrew the Pres. to prevent the vote to determine if there was support for changing the Constitution.
5) The US and all other members of the OAS opposed the coup as REQUIRED by treaty.

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I_M_Qwerty

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Soldiers stormed Zelaya's residence and flew him into exile early Sunday after he insisted on trying to hold a referendum asking Hondurans if they wanted to reform the constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress and the military all deemed his planned ballot illegal.

"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529674,00.html?test=latestnews"

Zelaya got what he deserved, IMHO. He defied his duly elected Congress ... and his country's Supreme Court.

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FlankerFlyer

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FACT: There was no coup. The democratically elected congress acted upon a decision by the supreme court due to the fact that Zelaya was attempting to subvert the constitution.

FACT: One term limit is a provision in their constitution that is NOT subject to change because Hondurans felt that it could give a president a way to become a dictator. After years of military rule this provision is important to the people of Honduras.

FACT: The actions of Zelaya in the weeks before his legally sanctioned removal from office violated the constitution and was causing turmoil and security risks to the country.

FACT: Zelaya was replaced by a person from his own party with views similar to his(well except for the dictator desires)in accordance to the constitution.

It seems the only ones supporting Zelaya are the very ones who wish to take and keep control of their own countries. All leftists and all Marxist. Castro, Chavez, Obama....all cut from the same cloth.

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