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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says the weekend ouster of Honduran leader Manuel Zelaya was a "not legal" coup and that he remains the country's president.

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"http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D994I12O2&show_article=1"

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Obama: Honduras' Coup "Not Legal" ...

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Originally posted by psychoABN:
That's a very good point...
As far as the legislature and the Supreme Court of Honduras is concerned, it's very legal becuase they considered what Zelaya was doing, illegal...checks and balances in action. If you take a look at the leaders that are speaking out against this example of checks and balances, it's very telling...

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Perhaps I've missed it over the years ... but is there a regulation, guidance memo, or something that lays out what is a "legal" coup ... and what is not?

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says the weekend ouster of Honduran leader Manuel Zelaya was a "not legal" coup and that he remains the country's president.

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"http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D994I12O2&show_article=1"

All this time, I've thought a coup was measured by ... whether it was successful or not.

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
Well, lets see

Is 0bama an expert on Honduran Law and it's constitution?

Is 0bama able to order another country's legislature what to do?

Allegedly the Honduran Supreme Court (Highest Judicial body in their country) & the Honduran National Congress both were in agreement that Zelaya was to go.

So here we have 0bama illegally interfering with the Hondurans internal politics.

The question is why?

Knee Jerk reaction?

Support for a fellow leftist?

Trying to curry favor with Chavez?

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Although Honduras is a country with an authoritarian past, in the 1980s there were three free and honest elections. These elections have not, however, taken place in a pluralistic framework, that is in a climate that guarantees the free play of all political parties, with all ideologies having equal opportunities. The electoral game has been circumscribed by a truncated political spectrum that extends from the right to the center. Even when legal impediments for the registration and free functioning of the political parties of the left were absent, the conservative sectors successfully thwarted their operation. They have still not learned the first lesson of democracy -- tolerance.

According to the Honduran Constitution the form of government is republican, democratic, and representative. It is exercised by three branches -- legislative, executive, and judicial -- which are complementary, independent, and not subordinate to each other. In practice, the executive branch dominates the others....

Even though the president makes power concrete and personalizes its exercise, he is also forced to share it with an institution: the armed forces. The Honduran Constitution indicates that the armed forces a permanent national institution -- professional, apolitical, obedient, and nondeliberating. The last three characteristics are simply fictitious. The armed forces of Honduras form the principal political force of the country and thus exercise a tutelary role over the other institutions of government. The armed forces constitute a de facto power, not subordinated to civilian political power.

In the first place, the armed forces are charged with fulfilling eminently political functions: maintaining the rule of the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage, and the alternation of the office of the presidency of the republic. In any liberal democracy these are the tasks of the judicial branch. Because of the armed forces' role in judging the conduct of civilian government, Honduran democracy finds itself under the permanent threat of a coup d'etat. The armed forces determine, in fact, whether the civilian government is maintaining the Constitution.

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My reasoning dave was that the Honduran Supreme Court said Zelaya Goes...... There are the Highest Judicial Body in Honduras, Yes or No?

The Honduran National Congress said Zelaya Goes...... They are the Elected Representatives of all the Honduran Peoples, Yes or No?

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
Well, lets see

Is 0bama an expert on Honduran Law and it's constitution?

Is 0bama able to order another country's legislature what to do?

Allegedly the Honduran Supreme Court (Highest Judicial body in their country) & the Honduran National Congress both were in agreement that Zelaya was to go.

So here we have 0bama illegally interfering with the Hondurans internal politics.

The question is why?

Knee Jerk reaction?

Support for a fellow leftist?

Trying to curry favor with Chavez?

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Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:
So its okay for Obama to loudly demand and dictate to Hondura's that it must "cease and desist" its fight to keep democracy alive?? while its unimaginable for him to demand the theocracy in Iran stop its nuclear weapons program, stop its brutal suppression of protestors..etc??

Why doesn't Mr.Obama talk tuff to Iran? The liberals should be OUTRAGED that he is meddling in Honduras..

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Originally posted by PhoenixDark:

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Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:
So its okay for Obama to loudly demand and dictate to Hondura's that it must "cease and desist" its fight to keep democracy alive?? while its unimaginable for him to demand the theocracy in Iran stop its nuclear weapons program, stop its brutal suppression of protestors..etc??

Why doesn't Mr.Obama talk tuff to Iran? The liberals should be OUTRAGED that he is meddling in Honduras..

What you obviously don't realize is that any interference or involvement in Iran's situation WILL backfire on us - they remember all too well Operation Ajax. The one thing it would accomplish is making sure that Ahmadinejad and Khamenei stay in power for the forseeable future.

The legally elected Honduran government was just overthrown by a military coup - something that directly affects our stability here - and is a situation that demands a more direct and "big stick" approach.