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To them we are just a bunch of thugs getting paid in oil, and if we say anything they cut back on the supply. That is why oil is $100.00 per barrel.

Oil is $100 a barrel because we have OIL MEN running our country, and they have ALLOWED it to cost that much, and because we are in the middle east and we won't leave, so until we do they OPEC nations there) are going to rape us for gas by driving the prices up, and up and up. Mexico, Canada, Venezuela, Russia... they ALL profit handsomely as long as we stay in the middle east.

And gas price hikes because of supply problems? Think about it... where are the lines for gas? Tell us where even ONE station has closed because of a shortage?

There are NO shortages, the world is AWASH in Oil... and when we get OUT of the Middle East, those prices will go DOWN.. worldwide.

It seems we have let Musharaf off the hook for quite sometime. We told him that if you take care of the terrorists in your country we will give you money. Well they have done nothing except take our money and made a deal with bin Laden to give him a portion of the U.S. aid if you not cause problems within the country.

Now Pakistan in harboring al Qaeda. And if the world has forgotten we did say we will carry the fight into any place that harbors terrorists. So if we have the resources it is time to move into Pakistan. Sorry Charlie we will also kill the replacement terrorists. We have lots of bullets.

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Originally posted by Xtrooper1:
What needs to happen is to find these anonomous scources and put them in some prison. Information on secret operations does not belong on the front page of the NY Times, it only helps people like Osama, who by all reports spends a lot of time watching TV in order to glean information.

Oh c'mon, "Secret"?

We HAVE special-ops teams in Pakistan already. It's NOT a secret.

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Originally posted by woodyarn:

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Originally posted by vsaws:
There goes the NY Times, Trying to sabotage any future efforts by the CIA before they might even have a chance of being implemented.Free Press , does not give the Times the right ot undermine tactics or policy during a time of war. They are giveing Aid an Comfort to the enemy. When is the irresponsible media going to wise up? Will they be satisfied when their efforts allow a Terrorist to Blow up a Good part of a large City or will that help them sell more papers?

Maybe we should have the CIA/FBI smash all the presses, put all the editors in some secret prison. Not let the American people know whats going on in the world, install Bush as supreme leader and live happily ever after. Yea, thats it , we can follow Russia's lead.

The NYT is not even worth wiping my azz with. frigging commie paper of the year. If they heard(beforehand) the CIA was working to stop 9/11 they would have published the details.
Maybe we should covertley drop a 50 megaton bomb on pakistan/pretty much all of the middle east.

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Originally posted by vsaws:
There goes the NY Times, Trying to sabotage any future efforts by the CIA before they might even have a chance of being implemented.Free Press , does not give the Times the right ot undermine tactics or policy during a time of war. They are giveing Aid an Comfort to the enemy. When is the irresponsible media going to wise up? Will they be satisfied when their efforts allow a Terrorist to Blow up a Good part of a large City or will that help them sell more papers?

One thing a genuis like you should have figured out and pointed out, though of course you would not, is that the CIA is incapable of keeping a secret. If the NY Times can find out this info, Osama is surely four steps ahead both... So what good would it do to keep these non-secrets?

it takes one to tell a secret and another to repeat it.
loose lips sink ships- if you hear some secret stuff- does not mean you have to publish the crap for all the world to see.

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Originally posted by vsaws:
There goes the NY Times, Trying to sabotage any future efforts by the CIA before they might even have a chance of being implemented.Free Press , does not give the Times the right ot undermine tactics or policy during a time of war. They are giveing Aid an Comfort to the enemy. When is the irresponsible media going to wise up? Will they be satisfied when their efforts allow a Terrorist to Blow up a Good part of a large City or will that help them sell more papers?

That is what I see in this story.

...Well we can all agree you do not see much...

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The NYT is not even worth wiping my azz with. frigging commie paper of the year. If they heard(beforehand) the CIA was working to stop 9/11 they would have published the details.
Maybe we should covertley drop a 50 megaton bomb on pakistan/pretty much all of the middle east.

Yeah, that'll sure fix things.

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Originally posted by Cleatus45:
it takes one to tell a secret and another to repeat it.
loose lips sink ships- if you hear some secret stuff- does not mean you have to publish the crap for all the world to see.

WHAT secret stuff? I am serious... what "secret stuff" has the Times published?

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Originally posted by Xtrooper1:
What needs to happen is to find these anonomous scources and put them in some prison. Information on secret operations does not belong on the front page of the NY Times, it only helps people like Osama, who by all reports spends a lot of time watching TV in order to glean information.

You know, one explanation is that the "leak" could have been on purpose, in order to scare Pakistan... But then again, I personally agree that the CIA is inept and really doesn't want to keep their secrets....

I do find one thing you said hilarious, it helps Osama Glean info? News FLASH, he probably has better info than A-He could ever need from simply watching what we as a nation does, B-Have better intel than our securit branches have...

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I think that the unique opportunities we offer as a nation draw people much more than the thought that "I'm going to get rich picking those heads of Lettuce"... ???

And just what unique opportunities would those be, WG?

Didn't President Bush once say we would go after terrorist anyplace, anytime? Guess pakistan is calling our bluff.

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Maybe we should have the CIA/FBI smash all the presses, put all the editors in some secret prison. Not let the American people know whats going on in the world, install Bush as supreme leader and live happily ever after. Yea, thats it , we can follow Russia's lead.

Now Woody, I thought that was the plan. You've gone and spilled out secret information again.

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Originally posted by Cleatus45:
it takes one to tell a secret and another to repeat it.
loose lips sink ships- if you hear some secret stuff- does not mean you have to publish the crap for all the world to see.

True, but at least they expose the flaws for what they are worth (our nation's security for one thing!)

I believe the news is like a gun, it is the people who use it that determine if something bad happens...

Case in point, if no one ever watched the Commie Fox network, then they could do no harm (They would sink in short time due to lack of profits)

I do not support all the actions by the Bush administrations; they have been awkward and clumsy in the actions with the middle east nations...but this looming clash between East and West has been going on for nearly a hundred years and will continue for years and decades to come. We are not served by the news media when they place every scrap and tidbit of news about covert activities on the front pages of major news outlets. If 9/11 was not an example of what these animals are about, and if we cannot get more descretion from media, we are simply up the proverbial creek. We must use any means we can come up with the stop these human vermon.

I believe we should keep in place the assets we already have, and re-direct our other assets in the region to the appropriate hot zones and actual troubled spots. Especially now that operation "clean up daddy's dirty laundry" (Yes, I'm talking about the Bush's) has been nearly completed.

We all know that Musharraff had his hand in Benezir Bhutto's assasination, and that he is knowingly housing and protecting active terrorist camps and extremisms. Our current commander and chief said that he would fight terrorism and those who protect their ideals anywhere around the world. Well guess what? It's not where we are now! Where we are now is juat a place where 3 different factions of the same religion have warred for generations to gain control of the area. So let them have their civil war, and deal politically on a world stage, with whomever comes out on top. That's a much better idea, I think, than spreading our assets so thin that we become vulnerable to a hungry, somewhat organized, and very determined group of extremists with many homes. What about the Kingdom of Saud and all the paper trails that connect them to the tragedies that occurred in our great nation? Or Darfur, Africa, where Al Qaeda has gained safe haven and the people there are living in a state of terror much like the Kuwaitis in the early 90's. Or Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the freaking list goes on!

Moreover, how about cleaning up our halls at home! The borders, the poverty, the homeless children and families, the rising cost of everything because corporations are making a ton more money due to kickbacks by the government for off shoring their companies and positions which takes away from the American worker, the American economy, and the American family. What about that? What about the sleeper cells that already have been lieing in wait on our soil? Or the fact that China has purchased our national debt around the world, has been buying up all of our exportable natural resources like hot cakes, and for at least the past six months, have been playing war games with Russia and Iran. What about that? That's the stuff that worries me to no end!

Let's not dwell on a 3rd world country leader with a bad hair piece and a worse mousetache. He will be dealt with properly in time. The fact remains that you can not set an example of leadership and democracy around the world if you can not even keep your own house clean and respectable!

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:

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The NYT is not even worth wiping my azz with. frigging commie paper of the year. If they heard(beforehand) the CIA was working to stop 9/11 they would have published the details.
Maybe we should covertley drop a 50 megaton bomb on pakistan/pretty much all of the middle east.

Yeah, that'll sure fix things.

just trying to help.

Maybe they don't want any more of our money either. So the stop sending us any more cab drivers for NY, or 7/11 operators along the expressways of our country.

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Originally posted by PaulJ:
Maybe they don't want any more of our money either. So the stop sending us any more cab drivers for NY, or 7/11 operators along the expressways of our country.

And don't forget the tech support from Dell computers.

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Originally posted by TPCAT:

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I think that the unique opportunities we offer as a nation draw people much more than the thought that "I'm going to get rich picking those heads of Lettuce"... ???

And just what unique opportunities would those be, WG?

If I have to tell you the obvious answers, then you don't live here.