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It's not really surprising that Achmadinejerk would want to cling to power. However, if the reformist candidate Mousavi wins, will this mean new beginning in relations between Iran and the US/the West?

++http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090612/world/international_us_iran_election

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Both sides claim victory in Iran election
39 minutes ago

By Parisa Hafezi and Zahra Hosseinian

TEHRAN (Reuters) - State media declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of Iran's election on Friday, but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself.


The head of the state election commission said Ahmadinejad was leading Mousavi by 69 percent to 28 percent with about 19 percent of ballots counted.


The official news agency IRNA said: "Dr Ahmadinejad, by winning most votes at the 10th presidential election, has secured his victory."


Mousavi had earlier tried to pre-empt official announcements by calling a news conference at which he alleged there had been irregularities, including a shortage of ballot papers.


"I am the definite winner of this presidential election," he declared.



There was no immediate response from Mousavi to the election commission's figures.


A bitterly fought campaign has generated intense excitement inside Iran and provoked strong interest around the world, with policymakers looking for signs of a change of approach by Tehran, whose ties with the West worsened under Ahmadinejad.


A victory for Mousavi could help ease tensions with the West, which is concerned about Tehran's nuclear ambitions, and improve chances of engagement with U.S. President Barack Obama, who has talked about a new start in ties with Tehran.


Mousavi, a former prime minister, said many people had not been able to cast their ballots even after voting was extended by four hours.


(...)


Under the election rules, if no candidate wins 50 percent of the votes, a run-off will be held on June 19 between the two front-runners.


(...)

Although Ahmadinejad, 52, says his government has revived economic growth and curbed price rises, inflation and high unemployment were the main campaign issues. Official inflation is around 15 percent.

Social issues, such as strict dress codes for women, as well as Iran's ties with the outside world, also featured in the campaign but the outcome of the vote will not bring a major shift in Iran's foreign policy, which is determined by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.


The United States has had no ties with Iran since shortly after the revolution but Obama said in Washington that the United States had "tried to send a clear message that we think there is the possibility of change" in relations.

Mousavi, 67, rejects Western demands that Iran halt uranium enrichment but analysts say he would bring a different approach to Iran-U.S. ties and talks on Tehran's nuclear program, which the West fears is a cover to build bombs. Iran denies this.

(...)

The three-week election campaign was marked by mudslinging, with Ahmadinejad accusing his rivals of corruption. They said he was lying about the state of the economy.

Ahmadinejad's election rivals, who also include liberal cleric Mehdi Karoubi and former Revolutionary Guard leader Mohsen Rezaie, have urged the Interior Ministry and Khamenei to ensure there is no vote rigging.


Mousavi's wife Zahra Rahnavard broke new ground in the conservative Islamic state by actively campaigning for her husband, a move hailed by women's rights activists.

(...)

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It's not really surprising that Achmadinejerk would want to cling to power. However, if the reformist candidate Mousavi wins, will this mean new beginning in relations between Iran and the US/the West?

++http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090612/world/international_us_iran_election

quote:
Both sides claim victory in Iran election
39 minutes ago

By Parisa Hafezi and Zahra Hosseinian

TEHRAN (Reuters) - State media declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of Iran's election on Friday, but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself.


The head of the state election commission said Ahmadinejad was leading Mousavi by 69 percent to 28 percent with about 19 percent of ballots counted.


The official news agency IRNA said: "Dr Ahmadinejad, by winning most votes at the 10th presidential election, has secured his victory."


Mousavi had earlier tried to pre-empt official announcements by calling a news conference at which he alleged there had been irregularities, including a shortage of ballot papers.


"I am the definite winner of this presidential election," he declared.



There was no immediate response from Mousavi to the election commission's figures.


A bitterly fought campaign has generated intense excitement inside Iran and provoked strong interest around the world, with policymakers looking for signs of a change of approach by Tehran, whose ties with the West worsened under Ahmadinejad.


A victory for Mousavi could help ease tensions with the West, which is concerned about Tehran's nuclear ambitions, and improve chances of engagement with U.S. President Barack Obama, who has talked about a new start in ties with Tehran.


Mousavi, a former prime minister, said many people had not been able to cast their ballots even after voting was extended by four hours.


(...)


Under the election rules, if no candidate wins 50 percent of the votes, a run-off will be held on June 19 between the two front-runners.


(...)

Although Ahmadinejad, 52, says his government has revived economic growth and curbed price rises, inflation and high unemployment were the main campaign issues. Official inflation is around 15 percent.

Social issues, such as strict dress codes for women, as well as Iran's ties with the outside world, also featured in the campaign but the outcome of the vote will not bring a major shift in Iran's foreign policy, which is determined by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.


The United States has had no ties with Iran since shortly after the revolution but Obama said in Washington that the United States had "tried to send a clear message that we think there is the possibility of change" in relations.

Mousavi, 67, rejects Western demands that Iran halt uranium enrichment but analysts say he would bring a different approach to Iran-U.S. ties and talks on Tehran's nuclear program, which the West fears is a cover to build bombs. Iran denies this.

(...)

The three-week election campaign was marked by mudslinging, with Ahmadinejad accusing his rivals of corruption. They said he was lying about the state of the economy.

Ahmadinejad's election rivals, who also include liberal cleric Mehdi Karoubi and former Revolutionary Guard leader Mohsen Rezaie, have urged the Interior Ministry and Khamenei to ensure there is no vote rigging.


Mousavi's wife Zahra Rahnavard broke new ground in the conservative Islamic state by actively campaigning for her husband, a move hailed by women's rights activists.

(...)


Let's hope so...
However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81
 
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We won't know until tomorrow anyway.


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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


I don't know about Sunliner, but I would think, "Vote rigging." If Almidinajad claims 70 percent of the vote, but he actually lost - We will see civil war over there. Maybe the whole corupt house of cards will cave in.

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Wow...go figure Roll Eyes


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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


I don't know about Sunliner, but I would think, "Vote rigging." If Almidinajad claims 70 percent of the vote, but he actually lost - We will see civil war over there. Maybe the whole corupt house of cards will cave in.

Dave


He doesn’t have that big of a support from the Mullah. He can clam whatever he wants, but when the numbers come out (probably tomorrow) he’ll have no choice but to accept whatever the outcome.

Last election was fair and square; when Al…. surprisingly won; so I don’t know where this “vote rigging” comes from!


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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


I don't know about Sunliner, but I would think, "Vote rigging." If Almidinajad claims 70 percent of the vote, but he actually lost - We will see civil war over there. Maybe the whole corupt house of cards will cave in.

Dave

If this election accomplishes nothing else, the openness of the debate may prove to be a democratic bag of worms the ruling clergy won’t easily sweep under the carpet.
 
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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


I don't know about Sunliner, but I would think, "Vote rigging." If Almidinajad claims 70 percent of the vote, but he actually lost - We will see civil war over there. Maybe the whole corupt house of cards will cave in.

Dave

If this election accomplishes nothing else, the openness of the debate may prove to be a democratic bag of worms the ruling clergy won’t easily sweep under the carpet.



....wow....can't make a remark about this statement without risking suspension... Eek


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And this disputed election leads to violent clashes between supporters of both candidates after Ahmadinejad is declared the winner.

++http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090613/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election

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Clashes erupt in Iran over disputed election
Ali Akbar Dareini And Anna Johnson, Associated Press Writers – 8 mins ago
TEHRAN, Iran – Supporters of the main election challenger to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad clashed with police and set up barricades of burning tires Saturday as authorities claimed the hard-line president was re-elected in a landslide. The rival candidate said the vote was tainted by widespread fraud and his followers responded with the most serious unrest in the capital in a decade.

Several hundred demonstrators — many wearing the trademark green colors of pro-reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi's campaign — chanted "the government lied to the people" and gathered near the Interior Ministry as the final count from Friday's presidential election was announced. It gave 62.6 percent of the vote to Ahmadinejad and 33.75 to Mousavi — a former prime minister who has become the hero of a youth-driven movement seeking greater liberties and a gentler face for Iran abroad.

Mousavi rejected the result as rigged and urged his supporters to resist a government of "lies and dictatorship."


But Khamenei closed the door on any chance he could use his limitless powers to intervene in the election dispute. He urged the nation to unite behind Ahmadinejad in a message on state TV, calling the result a "divine assessment."

The demonstrations began Saturday morning shortly before the government announced the final results.

Protesters set fire to tires outside the Interior Ministry and anti-riot police fought back with clubs and smashed cars. Helmeted police on foot and others on buzzing motorcycles chased bands of protesters roaming the streets pumping their fists in the air. Officers beat protesters with swift blows from their truncheons and kicks with their boots. Some of the demonstrators grouped together to charge back at police, hurling stones.

Plumes of dark smoke streaked over the city, as burning barricades of tires and garbage bins glowed orange in the streets.


(...)

The powerful Revolutionary Guard cautioned Wednesday it would crush any "revolution" against the Islamic regime by Mousavi's "green movement." The Revolutionary Guard is directly under the control of the ruling clerics and has vast influence in every corner of the country through a network of volunteer militias.

Even before the vote counting began, Mousavi declared himself "definitely the winner" based on "all indications from all over Iran." He accused the government of "manipulating the people's vote" to keep Ahmadinejad in power and suggested the reformist camp would stand up to challenge the results.

 
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It's the city (viz urban professional) class against the local yokels.

Achmedinjad calls them the 1000 families. Technically he could be one of them, but he claims to stay true to his roots.

If the 'expat' Iranians voting at their embassies and legations were an indicator, I hope the police, army and the mullahs are on his side, because the 'moderates' are his diametrical opposite, and they're 'taking it to the streets'!

In America they'd be called lefty pacifist, democrat, hippie protestors and social anarchists. Sore losers.

And if they were doing this in America, it wouldn't be called 'debate'.

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It's the city (viz urban professional) class against the local yokels.

Achmedinjad calls them the 1000 families. Technically he could be one of them, but he claims to stay true to his roots.

If the 'expat' Iranians voting at their embassies and legations were an indicator, I hope the police, army and the mullahs are on his side, because the 'moderates' are his diametrical opposite, and they're 'taking it to the streets'!

In America they'd be called lefty pacifist, democrat, hippie protestors and social anarchists. Sore losers.


Right. Can't trust these sore loser leftists. Hopefully Eagle and Flanker and all the rest will rally around the Conservative Ahmadninajad, and teach these lefty scum a lesson they'll never forget! And Soros is part of the plot. Yup, all the key lefties are trying to overthrow the Freedom loving duly elected leader. For Shame!!!!! Big Grin

Heck, Juan Cole, the lefty America Hater has joined in BIG TIME, actually writing a piece that he CLAIMS proves that there was fraud! Can you imagine?

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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


People rioting over a disputed election in a religiously controlled dictatorship...
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However, why does this situation in Iran, not surprise me?...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81


What (Iran specific) situation would that be?


I don't know about Sunliner, but I would think, "Vote rigging." If Almidinajad claims 70 percent of the vote, but he actually lost - We will see civil war over there. Maybe the whole corupt house of cards will cave in.

Dave


He doesn’t have that big of a support from the Mullah. He can clam whatever he wants, but when the numbers come out (probably tomorrow) he’ll have no choice but to accept whatever the outcome.

Last election was fair and square; when Al…. surprisingly won; so I don’t know where this “vote rigging” comes from!


Seems now that the vote is in, some of the Iranian populace doesn't share your optimism about the election having been so "fair"...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81
 
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Seems now that the vote is in, some of the Iranian populace doesn't share your optimism about the election having been so "fair"...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81



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Seems now that the vote is in, some of the Iranian populace doesn't share your optimism about the election having been so "fair"...
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True enough...
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And thousands continue to rally for Mousavi in spite of the ban imposed by Ahmadinejerk on any opposition rallies:

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By ANNA JOHNSON and ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writers Anna Johnson And Ali Akbar Dareini, Associated Press Writers – 44 mins ago
TEHRAN, Iran – Hundreds of thousands of opponents of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defied an Interior Ministry ban Monday and streamed into central Tehran to cheer their pro-reform leader in his first public appearance since elections that he alleges were marred by fraud. Gunfire from a compound used by pro-government militia killed one demonstrator.

The outpouring in Azadi, or Freedom, Square for reformist leader Mir Hossein Mousavi — swelling as more poured from buildings and side streets — followed a decision by Iran's most powerful figure for an investigation into the vote-rigging allegations.


Security forces watched quietly, with shields and batons at their sides.

But an Associated Press photographer saw one person shot and killed and several others who appeared to be seriously wounded in the square. The gunfire came from a compound for volunteer militia linked to Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard.

The chanting crowd — many wearing the trademark green color of Mousavi's campaign — was more than five miles (nine kilometers) long, and based on previous demonstrations in the square and surrounding streets, its size was estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.

Mousavi had paused on the edge of the square — where Ahmadinejad made his first postelection speech — to address the throng. They roared back: "Long live Mousavi."

"This is not election. This is selection," read one English-language placard at the demonstration. Other marchers held signs proclaiming "We want our vote!" and raised their fingers in a V-for-victory salute.

"We want our president, not the one who was forced on us," said 28-year-old Sara, who gave only her first name because she feared reprisal from authorities.

Hours earlier, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei directed one of Iran's most influential bodies, the Guardian Council, to examine the claims. But the move by Khamenei — who had earlier welcomed the election results — had no guarantee it would satisfy those challenging Ahmadinejad's re-election or quell days of rioting after Friday's election that left parts of Tehran scarred by flames and shattered store fronts.

The 12-member Guardian Council, made up of clerics and experts in Islamic law and closely allied to Khamenei, must certify election results and has the apparent authority to nullify an election. But it would be an unprecedented step. Claims of voting irregularities went before the council after Ahmadinejad's upset victory in 2005, but there was no official word on the outcome of the investigation and the vote stood.

More likely, the dramatic intervention by Khamenei could be an attempt to buy time in hopes of reducing the anti-Ahmadinejad anger. The prospect of spiraling protests and clashes is the ultimate nightmare for the Islamic establishment, which could be forced into back-and-forth confrontations and risks having the dissidents move past the elected officials and directly target the ruling theocracy.

The massive display of opposition unity Monday suggested a possible shift in tactics by authorities after cracking down hard during days of rioting.


Although any rallies were outlawed earlier, security forces were not ordered to move against the sea of protesters — allowing them to vent their frustration and wave the green banners and ribbons of the symbolic color of Mousavi's movement.

State TV quoted Khamenei as ordering the Guardian Council to "carefully probe" the allegations of fraud, which were contained in a letter Mousavi submitted Sunday.

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I have to laugh at folks in the US, they look down their noses at France or Iran and many other countries but when the other countries have a problem with their government they show up. They don't just sit on their behinds and complain, they go to the capitol or where ever and make themselves heard. This is why the bankers run this nation and own congress lock stock and barrel because Americans are to damn lazy to show up to protect their own interest.
 
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I have to laugh at folks in the US, they look down their noses at France or Iran and many other countries but when the other countries have a problem with their government they show up. They don't just sit on their behinds and complain, they go to the capitol or where ever and make themselves heard. This is why the bankers run this nation and own congress lock stock and barrel because Americans are to damn lazy to show up to protect their own interest.


That’s because; although most will strongly deny it; we ARE afraid of our Government! Wink


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He doesn’t have that big of a support from the Mullah. He can clam whatever he wants, but when the numbers come out (probably tomorrow) he’ll have no choice but to accept whatever the outcome.

Last election was fair and square; when Al…. surprisingly won; so I don’t know where this “vote rigging” comes from!


Seems now that the vote is in, some of the Iranian populace doesn't share your optimism about the election having been so "fair"...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81



I don’t know if the election was fair (and neither do you), but I honestly do hope that the Iranians had more sense, and that there were indeed some “irregularities”!

As far as (percentage of) “populace” discontent regarding elections…….well, we need to only look at our own past experiences. Wink


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