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Experienced Member |
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,144715,00.html
Sounds like a good system. Now if they can get it to receive video from the drones that fly overhead & look down. Maybe even the in orbit satellites. REX |
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If it works and enables our soldiers to do their job more efficienly, it will save lives, so can't be a bad thing . . . and yep, a satellite link would be great, then the planes and satellites could direct the troops on the ground.
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Let those that have to wear it decide and it won't take long!
What happens when the PRC takes down our satellites, which they are planning on doing, what then? What happens on the truly modern battle field when EMP is used as a weapon and all our electronics go bye-bye? The article said not a map in the bunch and I'll wager, not a compass either! This is 'Nam and the stupid people sniffer all over again! What happens when all the batteries go south and they will, when you need them the most. You'll drop the gear and guess what, the "bad guys" will come up with batteries, probably U.S. surplus and then it'll be turned against us. Wow, then there's the "plug in to the Stryker and leave your batteries in the hooch, yeah that makes sense, 'specially when the the vehicle you're riding in takes a hit and you gotta bail, no batteries, 'cause their back in your hooch. The Army defunded this cr@p for a reason, yet some "tron chaser" won't just let it die... Yeah, like I said, let the user decide it and it won't take long... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 This message has been edited. Last edited by: SUNLINER81, |
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Basic Training |
I think the maps and video surveillance capabilities are exactly what our soldiers on the ground need. I hope that the Army does not plan on using these systems to "help" and micromanage the battle from long distance.
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Experienced Member |
KSU, X-TOPEKAN HERE. have you been to FORTS & POSTS that I started? You could keep the FORT RILEY update. I agree it is going to be too tempting for the KNOW IT ALLS to micromanage the WAR. REX
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Remember the first cell phones? Looked like a guy holding a shoe box up to his head, a smaller version of the WWII "walkie talkie".
This technology could go the same way, if it gets a half a chance. The cell phone is an excellent communication's device. Gets smaller and better with use and refinements. If the cell phone went military in it's development phase, it would be as large as a refrigerator one size fits all, developed by experts each wanting his piece of the pie built into it. Hopefully this project won't go that way and get so top heavy the funding gets cut. The cell phone has a very small battery, which lasts a long time. Looking around corners with a cell phone is no big deal, it has a camera built right into it and you can send video pictures from it in real time right now. It's already past that phase. Everyone must have read a news article by this time about some guy doing underwear inspection in a public rest room or under a table. Nope he didn't have his head popped under the restroom stall partition and it fits in his pocket. Could be some very interesting advances here, if the military don't mess it up. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Funding has already been cut, this is a hold over from last years budget. The Army had the good sense to cut it and this is the, "last spending of funds" so it can all be spent, spent on a project the Army already found to be impractical at this time and for the foreseeable future... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Forgot; the cell phones have GPS right now and they have the on board map built into them also.
What are they? $150 each, right now. If you are in danger of loosing the dam thing to your enemy, it's drop it and step on it or a well place round through it. I remember all to well the Nam stuff Sunliner. As fast as we would dream something up. The bad guys would figure it out and it became useless. The air drop listening "thing" we plunked along the "trail". Looked like unexploded ordinance. When they figured out we were listening to them, they really had fun with us. Drive the same truck past it 100 times and we would think CONVOY, go looking for one and never find it, or march 10 guys past it all night long and we would think a division was headed our way. The best one was MTI, man was that unreliable. The military canned it, so they sold it to civilian police departments as "The Radar Gun", get them speeders. I guess it doubles as a device to make police offices sterile also. NICE STUFF!!!!!! |
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Basic Training |
Hey I have something to say here about Land Warrior, if it works, it works.
Let the soldiers use it. Complaining is a service members best friend, it gets your mind working on how to make the system better. As for the Democrats controlling the house. "If you don't have to stick your head out around a corner, just the gun cam, less of a target." Saves lives you gawldayum dolts! As for EMP attacks...the homocidists are far from that. If they adapt, we'll have adapted tatics to counter those. Don't fear folks, them thar soldiers are doing fine, they like it and they will get it. These kids are a lot smarter than most of us ole warhorses who were in during the "20th" century LOL! Just use your voice. It's called a VOTE! They will find out when they're out of office that they should have taken better care of the troops. Land Warrior works. |
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Basic Training |
Then there was the dog sh@t transmitter dropped by the 100s by the CIA along the HCM Trail. It was a seismic detector that shot a signal when someone walked by it. Looked just like a dog turd. There is one on display at the Spy Museum in DC and one at the Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia.
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If it helps, and saves lives, then by all means let's give it a try
As long as we're 'equiping the man', and not 'manning the equipment', drive on |
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Basic Training |
I think this land warrior could be a great counter -measure against IED's, lets hope that we hear more great things about the land warrior.
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Basic Training |
Being that the gooks would crack open UXBs and take out the HE for use in other devices, it shouldn't have taken them long to find the ones full of radio gear.
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The only problem I have with the new techno stuff is that soldiers forget the basic stuff like land nav. You end up with soldiers dieing because they cannot do something simple when needed.Like the soldier at fort Hood that got lost and died. When the system takes a crap, and they do, what then?
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Basic Training |
A bigger bill for Joe Taxpayer and more of an oportunity for the trough swillers and more junk for the GI's to lug around in 120 degree weather. meanwhile all the rag heads scramble around in their night shirts With efficient AK's while we stay huddled up with our puny pea shooters. looking for Land Warrior batteries that we left in the Stryker that was just destroyed by a lucky RPG. Ain't Technology great?
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Never shall I fail my comrades... |
Sunliner81,
You say, "Let the user decide..." Please read the Army Times story from 26 JUN 07 titled "Troops in Iraq give thumbs up to Land Warrior". The users give Land Warrior a "GO". http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/06/army_warrior_070623p/ I liked the post by Eyesight01, comparing our current technology (Land Warrior) with the old cell phone. I'm close to this project and I've seen every change and update since 1998. Land Warrior has survived budget cuts, congress cuts, training failures, and troop distrust. Each time is has gone back to the lab and become smaller, lighter, and better. And each time the Soldier has liked it more and more. The funding was not renewed for 2008 because the program had accomplished what it was supposed to do: full operational integration with a Stryker Infantry battalion. That is what the budget was for. The entire R&D was complete. All tests had passed and it was time to deploy the system. This unit was selected to take this equipment into battle and assess whether it helped them close with and destroy the enemy. It looks like it does. The base model is out. You can call this LW 1.0 It has been a part of the Soldier's kit since Spring 2006. They have come up with so many good ideas, and have worked this into their tactics so well. The guys that stay on the Strykers (driver, gunner, vehicle commander) are hard wired into a mounted version of LW. LW also interacts with other technology built into the vehicle. Once the unit rotates back to the States, you can expect all of the data and results of the deployment to be poured over by the decision makers. I foresee Congress approving a lot of money for further upgrades in the 2009 budget. Imagine LW 2.0 I don't understand people who insist that a compass and paper map are all our Infantry needs. "It was good enough for me" attitudes confuse me. By the way... if his system batteries do die early, all he does is walk over the Stryker and get new ones out of the built in charger. I also don't understand the post about the EMP or someone turning off the satellites. You are arguing that we should forgo development and fielding of advanced technological combat systems because someone might set off an electromagnetic pulse? Here's a hint... billions of dollars have been spent to R&D shielding for our electronics. I don't think the problem would be all that bad. Besides, the only one's able to turn of the GPS satellites is the USA. They belong to us, and unless somebody finds a way to shoot all those birds from the sky, I think we'll be OK. Just the thoughts of a broken down Ranger who has been lost a few times and would have seen the benefit of Blue Force Tracking. This message has been edited. Last edited by: RangerVet75, |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Things do improve with time, some get dropped when it proves to be no good. The best way to tell a G.I. to use something, is tell 'em they can't have it. There are simpler and more effective ways to see around a corner, the Israelis have such a system with a firearm attached to it and can take out the "bad guy" with it. We have a tendency to try and invent the better mouse trap, which in and of itself is a good thing, but when the "new improved" mouse trap costs millions of dollars, runs off of batteries and is extremely complicated, you have to remember, that the goal is to "catch mice"... If it really works and is needed and is really practical, no problem, the problem is, the Army already canceled it and the Army feels it's un-needed and impractical. This is the "last gasp" for the system, the Army doesn't even intend to field it after this "field test", it's already been canceled... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Never shall I fail my comrades... |
Xtrooper1
The Soldier who died on the Land Navigation Course at Ft. Hood in June was an experienced Soldier just back from Iraq. He was attending the Basic Noncommissioned Officer Course (BNCOC). He worked in the criminal investigation division of Fort Hood. I doubt if he ever saw a Land Warrior system. He was just bad at Land Navigation and succumbed to the heat. The only technology he had on him was a compass and paper map. He also had a cell phone, which the BNCOC instructors used to call him when he didn't come in after time expired. He told them he was fine and was on his way back. Then he disappeared. He had no GPS, no digital map, and no location transponder. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Too bad he didn't have the basic soldier skills of map and compass. It was a tragic loss and should never have happened. Makes one wonder what was up with the "cadre" that let him go out and then just let him "come back" when he was already in extremis... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Basic Training |
 Is it a glorified cel phone? The military just LOVES to spend our money on new gadgets  . Years ago, I wrote a position paper recommending that the system change "specialized" repair parts to commercial specs and got shot down  Remember that "special" hammer that cost $ 500, when you could buy the same piece of crap at your nearest store for $8 ??   |
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