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""http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091030/ap_on_re_as/as_china_us_military""

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HONG KONG – A U.S. Navy admiral expressed new concern Friday over China's military buildup and urged Beijing to be clearer about its intentions.

With China's military growing at an "unprecedented rate," the U.S. wants to ensure that expansion doesn't destabilize the region, Rear Adm. Kevin Donegan told reporters on a visit to the Chinese territory of Hong Kong.

Donegan referred to China's expanded weaponry. His remarks echoed the concerns of other U.S. military leaders who have said the growth in China's military spending — up almost 15 percent in the 2009 budget — raises questions about how Beijing plans on deploying its new power.

"When we see a military growing at that rate, we're interested in transparency and the understanding of the uses of that military," said Donegan, commander of the USS George Washington aircraft carrier strike group, a key part of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

Donegan's comments come as a top Chinese general visits the United States on a mission to strengthen trust between the two militaries and dispel U.S. concerns about the growth of the People's Liberation Army.

Xu Caihou, the PLA's second-highest ranking officer, told President Barack Obama on Wednesday that ties between the two countries' militaries play "an important role in enhancing strategic mutual trust and deepening their pragmatic cooperation," according to Chinese media reports.

China has boosted military spending by more than 10 percent annually for almost two decades, and the official figure of $71 billion this year is thought by many analysts to represent only a portion of total defense spending. It still amounts to only a fraction of U.S. defense spending.

China says much of the increase is used to improve salaries and living conditions for soldiers, but it has also been adding sophisticated new warships, submarines, fighter jets and other weapons systems to its arsenal. PLA leaders have also said they are considering building an aircraft carrier, but such a development is thought to be years, if not decades, away.

Donegan acknowledged the possibility of a Chinese aircraft carrier, but also said he was concerned with anti-access weapons. This class of weapons includes missiles and submarines that can threaten U.S. forces in the region and prevent them responding in the event of a crisis.

"I am absolutely concerned," Donegan said.

He went on to say, "When a navy is doing that, we just want to make sure it's transparent enough so those in the region understand what they're doing."

At the same time, Donegan described positive exchanges between the two militaries that he said he hoped would continue, including a visit by five Chinese army generals aboard the George Washington during its call in Hong Kong this week.

Ties between the two militaries have been repeatedly roiled by China's objections to U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, claimed by Beijing as its own territory, as well as Chinese efforts to disrupt Navy surveillance missions off its shores.

A series of confrontations involving vessels from the two navies has raised concerns over China's rising determination to defend what it sees as its territorial interests in the South China Sea, where the U.S. has long operated as the major international power.

Donegan said the Navy would continue to operate in international waters — something that could come in defiance of Beijing's claims it has the right to bar surveillance work inside its exclusive economic zone.

"We are going to continue to operate in the South China Sea and international waters and not in territorial seas of another country," he said.

The visit of the George Washington, considered the crown jewel of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, is its first to Hong Kong in its 17-year history.


This For me is Great move on our part. Our sailor's get to see a great city. They get to have fun. USS George Washington Get's to force our policy.

For me The USS George Washington Tell's china. We are here we aren't scared of you. Look at us we are bad to the bone but at the same time we come in peace and friendly.


Also some quick read and look at the Washington though there website. If you want know more about it.

http://gw.ffc.navy.mil/
 
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How is this news? We have carriers & other ships visiting HK on regular basis! Confused


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How is this news? We have carriers & other ships visiting HK on regular basis! Confused


The hookers of Wan Chai and Tsam Shui Po will be busy again tonight when all those Sailors and Marines go out on Liberty. Angel/Devil
 
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How is this news? We have carriers & other ships visiting HK on regular basis! Confused
How is it new's um high level talk's between two of the worlds biggest military's. The kitty hawk was banned last time from entering Hong Kong. Um We are also showing a more friendly side of the united states towards old enemy's. Plus my sister is on the Washington so it's new's to me.

Dude quite frankly if you don't think it is new's then don't post on it read something that is "news". might not be news to you but its news to someone else.
 
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How is this news? We have carriers & other ships visiting HK on regular basis! Confused


The hookers of Wan Chai and Tsam Shui Po will be busy again tonight when all those Sailors and Marines go out on Liberty. Angel/Devil


I was thinking along those lines as well!

It's amazing how many "pub-crawls" you can squeeze into a five day Liberty call! Dvlish


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I use to get told story's of sailors bring on some crap and spreading it everywhere. out break anyone
 
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China has boosted military spending by more than 10 percent annually for almost two decades, and the official figure of $71 billion this year is thought by many analysts to represent only a portion of total defense spending. It still amounts to only a fraction of U.S. defense spending.



When I made the comment about the "official" figure being much lower than the actual one and how we need to be aware of the Chinese buildup back 3 years ago I cant tell you how many posters here wanted links and accused me of all kinds of stuff. Well finally, you got a link to a source that references it.
BTW, as that 71 billion figure is closer to 100 billion, that 100 billion is equivalent to 350 billion in US defense spending. They are a solid second in defense spending and while our military is being squeezed by this president they are going full steam ahead. 5-7 more years gives them as many modern submarines and surface ships as our Navy with them only lacking carriers in their fleet. Their air force has nearly as many modern fighters as ours and their army is more than 4 times larger.
I guess calling them a potential threat in the region would be a gross understatement. Wink
 
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SSBN-598 George Washington-Class FBM Submarines
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"The USS George Washington (SSBN 598) was the world’s first nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine. Arguably, it can be considered the submarine that has most influenced world events in the 20th Century. With its entry into service in December 1959 the United States instantly gained the most powerful deterrent force imaginable - a stealth platform with enormous nuclear firepower"

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SSBN-598 George Washington-Class FBM Submarines
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"The USS George Washington (SSBN 598) was the world’s first nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine. Arguably, it can be considered the submarine that has most influenced world events in the 20th Century. With its entry into service in December 1959 the United States instantly gained the most powerful deterrent force imaginable - a stealth platform with enormous nuclear firepower"





EAG154,

Did you even read the article?

The ship visiting Hong Kong is the AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN73) not the nuclear submarine.

That submarine was retired long before the carrier went into service, IIRC.

 
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The USS George Washington was decommissioned on 24 January 1985, was struck from the Naval Vessel Registry on 30 April 1986, and was scheduled for disposal through the Ship-Submarine Recycling Program at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. Recycling of the ship was completed on 30 September 1998. Her sail was removed prior to disposal and now resides at the Submarine Force Library and Museum, New London, Connecticut. The "Georgefish" made 55 deterrent patrols in both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans in her 25-year career.


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SSBN-598 George Washington-Class FBM Submarines
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"The USS George Washington (SSBN 598) was the world’s first nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine. Arguably, it can be considered the submarine that has most influenced world events in the 20th Century. With its entry into service in December 1959 the United States instantly gained the most powerful deterrent force imaginable - a stealth platform with enormous nuclear firepower"





EAG154,

Did you even read the article?

The ship visiting Hong Kong is the AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN73) not the nuclear submarine.

That submarine was retired long before the carrier went into service, IIRC.



ya but I toured the SSBN-598 when I was on the Obsevation Island EAG154!

In March 1959 Observation Island returned to Norfolk Naval Shipyard for installation of additional equipment, including the Ships Inertial Navigation System (SINS). In June she steamed for her new homeport, Port Canaveral, Fla., and made preparations for the first at-sea launch of a Polaris missile. Designated UGM–27, the missile was successfully launched from Observation Island 27 August.



Following this milestone, Observation Island returned to Norfolk Naval Shipyard for installation of a fire control system to enable her to launch more sophisticated guided versions of new generation Polaris missiles. She also received a new launcher, the developmental prototype of those installed in the FBM submarines.



This work was completed in January 1960 and Observation Island returned to Port Canaveral to continue Polaris test launch operations. After a total of six launchings, the ship commenced support of Polaris launchings from FBM submarines. She provided optical and electronic data gathering services, and acted as communications relay station between submerged submarines and the supervisor of range operations at the Cape. The first successful fully guided Polaris missile launching from a submerged submarine took place 20 July 1960 from George Washington (SSBN–598). Through October Observation Island also supported launches from Patrick Henry (SSBN–599).



Following further modifications at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in the fall of 1960, Observation Island returned to Port Canaveral in December to continue FBM support work and systems test and evaluation. She received the Navy Unit Commendation 15 December; launched the new A–2 Polaris 1 March 1961; and supported the first submerged A–2 launch from Ethan A lien (SSBN–608) 23 October.



"In late 1961 Obervation Island served as a survey ship on the Atlantic Missile Range, and in January 1962 she again put in at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, this time for modifications preparatory to launching the new A 3 Polaris. Returning to Port Canaveral in March, she supported FBM submarines through the following autumn, when she steamed for two months of operations on the Pacific Missile Range."



"http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/o1/observation_island.htm

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How is this news? We have carriers & other ships visiting HK on regular basis! Confused


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BTW, as that 71 billion figure is closer to 100 billion, that 100 billion is equivalent to 350 billion in US defense spending. QUOTE]

i don't know where u get the 350B number but please provide some facts. china military force is still 20yr lag behind US. they don't even have a carrier yet, their sub is too noisy, their best fighter is j10 which equal to later block of f16. they don't even have the ability to sucessfully invade taiwan yet.
 
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