Well, so much for that conspiracy theory!
Andrew Breitbart Died Of Heart Failure, Coroner Rules
Associated Press 04/20/2012 11:22 pm
LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles County coroner’s office has ruled that conservative blogger and commentator Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure stemming from coronary disease.
Coroner spokesman Craig Harvey said Friday that a negligible amount of alcohol was found in Breitbart’s system but no prescription or illicit drugs.
Harvey says foul play is not suspected and the case has been closed.
Breitbart, 43, died March 2 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center after collapsing as he was walking his dog near his Brentwood home.
That's good news.......of a sort.
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I thought that, that was what was reported all along. Did someone say or claim something different?
Erythropoietin or it`s alternatives
can cause cardiac malfunctions
by stimulating the blood to thicken dangerously
It is undetectable in an autopsy
....Just a thought
If that were the case the autopsy would have found both an injection site and elevated EPO levels in his blood.
I’m just sayin’ …
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Wait! Andrew Breitbart died?
I thought the flowers were more vivid and the air seemed fresher these last few weeks.
Injection sites have to be searched for carefully....could be missed. Who knows how long ago the trigger hormone was administered, could have healed quite a bit.
New devices can also inject with small needles or no needles at all (transdermal inert gas injection)
Elevated EPO levels are common in autopsies, the ones artificially raised through hormones like Erythropoietin blend in.
......However, mildly to moderately elevated serum EPO levels were sporadically found in acute deaths due to mechanical asphyxiation, fire fatality, and acute ischemic heart disease, and in fatal hypothermia cases, especially for elderly subjects
Elevated EPO is almost a normal thing to detect...even in amniotic fluid analysis for stillborns
Atheletes artificially raise EPO levels now to increase performance....it is undetectable to competition testing proceedures.
EPO doesn`t make the list for toxicology either...
Yelling "CONSPIRACY !!!" when ever a leftist can is one of their tried and true tactics to ridicule their opposition....In this case Breitbart, being a right-wing version of Michael Moore, had garnered more than a few enemys....and a 43 year old just keeling over and droping dead in the middle of the street is bound to create some suspicion, just as it would if that fat pig Moore would suddenly choke on his own Bull $hit.....so it provides an excellent opportunity to brand the entire right wing as a bunch of loons. First they create the narrative that the right was looking all over hell and high water for the enemy assasin, and now because there is proof that Breitbart suffered a natural death, that proves that they are all loons who believe in crazy conspiracys..and should never be taken seriously....See how that works???
So you're saying the left has a conspiracy to portray the right as a bunch of conspiracy theorists? How ironic can you get? Moore and Breitbart are/were slimey characters but I seriously doubt any sane person actually thought they needed to be killed.
The scumbag wasn't worthy of that kind of elaborate attention.
Perhaps these quotes will refresh your memory. They all came from the http://forums.military.com/eve...8221/m/3590096782001 thread.
“Who knows how long ago the trigger hormone was administered, could have healed quite a bit.”
OK. Perhaps that works for you, but if some bozo comes up & gives me a shot of something, and I didn’t know what it is, I’m not going to wait several days until it has “healed quite a bit” before I find out what the skinny is. Other’s responses may vary.
The highest concentration commercially available of PROCRIT® (epoetin alfa) is 40,000 units/ml. During testing they injected test subjects at the rate of 600 units/kg of body mass. Estimating AB’s weight at 175, (80 kg) that dose would be 48,000 units, approximately 1.2 ml. Since that was a testing dose, a lethal dose would be considerably higher. With another hour of research I could probably tell you how much higher it would need to be, but I’m really not that interested. Suffice to say that in all probability it would need to at least double and may even go ten or twenty times as high.
Another thing that your “conspiracy” theory ignores is that he “died of heart failure stemming from coronary disease.” “Coronary disease” is not something that pops up in a few hours, or even a few months. Many times it has a genetic factor, but diet & exercise are the main factors that contribute to it.
Where do you get your medical advice? Exercise is a contributing factor to getting Coronary disease? My doctor tells me to workout a few times a week is he trying to kill me?
I just wanted to point out that there are undetectable substances that can kill and look like natural causes.
The hormone I quoted is one such...it doesn`t have a lethal dose...it is a hormone that causes the blood to thicken to the point of circulatory collapse.
It can take weeks or even months
Now, look at the new painless substance delivery systems on the market...
Someone could walk up to you in a crowd, bump into you and inject whatever they wanted without you feeling a thing or even leaving a mark
Sorry, I guess I should have said “an improper diet & lack of exercise!”
Could be...see, if the doc gets you sick, he gets to treat you and charge you more money for it, it is all a vast conspiracy concocted by the government (they want the tax money), the insurance companies (they want the premiums), the doctors (they want your money), and the pharmacy people (they also want your money). The way it works is if they get enough people sick, they all get a boatload of cash, then, before you have time to become completely broke and get through the process of qualifying for government aid, you kick the bucket, so even the government gets to keep the money they raked in as taxes, rather than sending it back as medicare/medicaid payments... Now, where did I put my medications...
“If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution, secession is not rebellion...His (Jeff Davis') capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason." Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, 1867.
Sorry, but you need to tie your bull up outside. And you might cut down on the reruns of “The Man from Uncle.” Napoleon & Ilya are both long since retired. I think Mr. Waverly ran off to some island with a few of the secretaries.
Anything that penetrates the skin is going to leave a wound, particularly if it’s big enough to push three or four ML through in a reasonable time. Yes, they have fine needles. Some of the insulin needles are 31 gauge (31g), which is about the size of a hair. Nevertheless, you aren’t going to push a lot of fluid through them very fast.
Some months back one of our cats went into renal failure, so we had to give her 500ml of subcutaneous (SQ) normal saline (NS) twice a day. They gave us 18g needles to use, which would deliver the NS in about 5 minutes. Since the cat was pretty frail (the needle looked bigger than her spine!) I asked the vet about using a smaller gauge. He said we could try as small as 21g, but any smaller and she’d never sit still long enough to get it all in.
In the situation you describe, where you’re injecting surreptitiously, and in all likelihood through clothing, both the nanotech & the laser would be out because you couldn’t guarantee them getting the drug clear through to where it needs to go. With a needle, you need it of sufficient heft to make it through whatever layers of clothing without bending or breaking plus have sufficient bore to deliver the drug quickly, most likely in about ½ a second so you don’t arouse suspicion.
Yes, making the injection in a crowd is, of course, the sensible place to do this type of operation, with the buttocks being the logical injection site. It’s also likely to have the thickest coverage of clothing.
Not to mention that injecting 4-5ml SQ is going to leave a lump under the skin.
I hope you’re finished with all of these “hypotheticals”, because I’m getting tired of responding to them!
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Breitbart was the first assasination of an American under NDAA.
Look up "falacies in Logic"
Conspiracy theory and rhetorical fallacy
Deriding opposing views as 'conspiracy theory' and labelling their proponents as 'conspiracy theorists' is a very successful strategy, but due to the law of diminishing returns, it is wearing rather thin. It's success comes from its amalgamation of a number of rhetorical sleight-of-hands, which are set forth in Schopenhauer's classic on the subject,
Rule 19: Generalize the Matter, Then Argue Against it
Should your opponent expressly challenge you to produce any objection to some definite point in his argument, and you have nothing much to say, you must try to give the matter a general turn, and then talk against that.
Therefore, by labelling a specific position, for instance the belief that Dr David Kelly was murdered rather than committed suicide, as a conspiracy theory, and then pulling the focus back to conspiracy theories in general and lingering on those that are most outlandish or the easiest to debunk, such as the moon landings being fake or better still alien abduction, you can argue there's no point spending time dealing with the specific in question.
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