Washington Post:

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A man has been convicted of second-degree manslaughter because a jury rejected defense lawyers' arguments that his actions were justified...

White, 54, remains free on bail until sentencing, when he faces a prison term of five to 15 years. White was also convicted of a weapons-possession misdemeanor that carries a penalty of two to seven years in prison; it would probably run concurrently with the other sentence...

The shooting happened outside White's home in Miller Place, a community on eastern Long Island. His 19-year-old son, Aaron, had awakened him around 11 p.m. to say that he had been feuding with other teenagers after being asked to leave a party and that several of them were headed to the Whites' house for a confrontation.

John White grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage. He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the group in the street.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," Brewington said in closing arguments.

White contended that the gun fired accidentally when Cicciaro lunged for it.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have locked the door and called police, rather than going outside to confront the unarmed teenagers with a gun.

Your reactions?

FYI: I purposely left out a portion of the news story, which I will add after hearing some of your comments. Then I will ask if you might change your opinions.

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Originally posted by Fightdirector:
Washington Post:

quote:

A man has been convicted of second-degree manslaughter because a jury rejected defense lawyers' arguments that his actions were justified...

White, 54, remains free on bail until sentencing, when he faces a prison term of five to 15 years. White was also convicted of a weapons-possession misdemeanor that carries a penalty of two to seven years in prison; it would probably run concurrently with the other sentence...

The shooting happened outside White's home in Miller Place, a community on eastern Long Island. His 19-year-old son, Aaron, had awakened him around 11 p.m. to say that he had been feuding with other teenagers after being asked to leave a party and that several of them were headed to the Whites' house for a confrontation.

John White grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage. He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the group in the street.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," Brewington said in closing arguments.

White contended that the gun fired accidentally when Cicciaro lunged for it.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have locked the door and called police, rather than going outside to confront the unarmed teenagers with a gun.

Your reactions?

FYI: I purposely left out a portion of the news story, which I will add after hearing some of your comments. Then I will ask if you might change your opinions.

I will stay out of this one for I am interested in the responses too. All I will say is the man I shot was in my home and I still got six years of which I did 5 years, eight months.

And like you I have left some of the story out - mostly because it is already on the boards and I am not going to be redundant., I will post my response after all others, though most probably know it already.

Patti

Let's see... No mention of anyone in the White's residence calling 911 to have law enforcement intervene... "Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have locked the door and called police, rather than going outside to confront the unarmed teenagers with a gun."

The old reliable "Race Card" was played..., I see. "The defendant, John White, raised the nation's history of racist violence in describing why he brandished a gun at a group of angry white teenagers..."

I believe a 17 year old is not considered an adult, so..., Mr White killed a teenaged child (without a criminal record...no mention) instead of an adult with a checkered past...

No mention of the victim shot ON the White's Property... "John White grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage. He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the group in the street."

The good Mr White went on the OFFENSIVE, not a DEFENSIVE posture... One of those CLINTOON Supporters that believes in, "Do as I say..., NOT as I do..." An anti-NRA, GUN CONTROL Advocate that has a gun...I bet...YA THINK

Now, with the items previously edited out restored:

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A black man who invoked images of lynch mobs in explaining why he killed a white teenager has been convicted of second-degree manslaughter because a jury rejected defense lawyers' arguments that his actions were justified…

White, 54, remains free on bail until sentencing, when he faces a prison term of five to 15 years. White was also convicted of a weapons-possession misdemeanor that carries a penalty of two to seven years in prison; it would probably run concurrently with the other sentence…

The shooting happened outside White's home in Miller Place, a predominantly white community on eastern Long Island. His 19-year-old son, Aaron, had awakened him around 11 p.m. to say that he had been feuding with other teenagers after being asked to leave a party and that several of them were headed to the Whites' house for a confrontation.

John White grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage. He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the group in the street.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," Brewington said in closing arguments.

White contended that the gun fired accidentally when Cicciaro lunged for it.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have locked the door and called police, rather than going outside to confront the unarmed teenagers with a gun.

Change any opinions now that you know it was a black homeowner shooting a white member of a mob?

Basically, dude's an idiot who should never have left his property, especially with a gun.

and no, it doesn't change my opinion, because I read the article from WashPost anyway.

Pardon me..., I TOTALLY overlooked the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS of your thread!!!

YES..., YES..., release him instantly from all charges... Mr White is without sin, he killed a white subhuman.

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Originally posted by ELLIOTT1980:
Pardon me..., I TOTALLY overlooked the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS of your thread!!!

YES...YES...release him instantly from all charges...Mr White is without sin, he killed a white subhuman.

Actually, that was not necessarily my reason for bringing this up.

But where are all those who supported the man in Texas who shot two people robbing his neighbor's house?

Why aren't they posting here, supporting this man shooting a member of a mob who was threatening his son's life?

Surely a man defending his son's life from a mob is more justified than a man shooting someone robbing his neighbor's house?

But I suspected that, if I had mentioned the races of the shooter and the member of the mob, I would get a difference in response than if I kept the race of the shooter and the mob member concealed.

In a famous case in 1925, several hundred white men attacked a house owned and occupied by a black man in a previously white-only section of Chicago. Shots were fired and a white member of the mob was killed - and the black occupants of the house were charged with 1st degree murder. They were defended by the famous lawyer Clarence Darrow. The first trial ended in a mistrial. Eleven trials later, they were aquitted.

"History repeats itself...that's what's wrong with history" - Clarence Darrow

Sounds as if the pistol was unlicensed. So, call the cops, go for the shotgun and wait o the front porch. If a kid comes up on the porch, shoot him. hAD HE DONE THAT AND KILLED THE VERY SAME KID, HE'D HAVE WALKED.

Don't think I'll go fishing with the bait provided. Elliot summed it up pretty good.


Frisco Lady. If that dude was in your home unwelcomed I can't see any jury convicting you.

Some State laws expect you to vacate your property if there is a home invasion. In Florida the gun laws are not as restricted as New York. In fact in the southeast the States law accept gun licence from one State in many of the several.

Mr. White should have - could have saved himself trouble and a life by a 911.

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
Sounds as if the pistol was unlicensed.

So, call the cops, go for the shotgun and wait on the front porch.

If a kid comes up on the porch, shoot him. HAD HE DONE THAT AND KILLED THE VERY SAME KID, HE'D HAVE WALKED.

Pete..., ENOUGH with the LOGIC...

This is all about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and The RACE CARD... Ole Fight_Director (FD) is baiting us...

Good ole FD wants to compare/contrast this event with the JOE HORN (Evil Whitey) of Texas incident...

Joe kills two ADULT CRIMINALS with CRIMINAL RECORDS (also Illegals) on his/neighbor's property, not on a PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE (street)...

O K there FD, spout off with your perceived injustices and "Evil whitey gets away with everything..."

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Fightdirector:
Washington Post:

quote:

A man has been convicted of second-degree manslaughter because a jury rejected defense lawyers' arguments that his actions were justified...

White, 54, remains free on bail until sentencing, when he faces a prison term of five to 15 years. White was also convicted of a weapons-possession misdemeanor that carries a penalty of two to seven years in prison; it would probably run concurrently with the other sentence...

The shooting happened outside White's home in Miller Place, a community on eastern Long Island. His 19-year-old son, Aaron, had awakened him around 11 p.m. to say that he had been feuding with other teenagers after being asked to leave a party and that several of them were headed to the Whites' house for a confrontation.

John White grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage. He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the group in the street.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," Brewington said in closing arguments.

White contended that the gun fired accidentally when Cicciaro lunged for it.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have locked the door and called police, rather than going outside to confront the unarmed teenagers with a gun.

Your reactions?

FYI: I purposely left out a portion of the news story, which I will add after hearing some of your comments. Then I will ask if you might change your opinions.

I will stay out of this one for I am interested in the responses too. All I will say is the man I shot was in my home and I still got six years of which I did 5 years, eight months.

And like you I have left some of the story out - mostly because it is already on the boards and I am not going to be redundant., I will post my response after all others, though most probably know it already.

Patti

Patti..., IF one lives in a "blue" state..., one must live with the "blue" laws...

Had one lived in a "red" state..., one would be hailed as a hero for shooting a thief...

Such is life...

The thread title is inaccurate. He was not convicted of murder.

S7

Elliot what you said is so true! We no longer live in a a blue state, well we split time in between coast, until hubby retires next year, what can I say.

Patti

Thank God I live in Texas.

Color aside...mob attacks my home, somebody gets shot. period

So the streets belong to punks and pimps, your home belongs to gangbangers, your family belongs to rapists and child molesters and the law belongs to lawyers who live in well-guarded fortified castles.
This isn't acceptable

So where were the individuals when the shooting actually happened - was the man standing on his own property? Was the person shot also on the man's property? Did the person shot actually get his hand on the gun? Not enough information to make a real judgment, but if the answers to the above are "Yes" - the man with the gun was within his Constitutional Rights - - which doesn't mean a thing in this country anymore - right?

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
Don't think I'll go fishing with the bait provided. Elliot summed it up pretty good.


Frisco Lady. If that dude was in your home unwelcomed I can't see any jury convicting you.

Some State laws expect you to vacate your property if there is a home invasion. In Florida the gun laws are not as restricted as New York. In fact in the southeast the States law accept gun licence from one State in many of the several.

Mr. White should have - could have saved himself trouble and a life by a 911.

I took a plea, there were several factors that my husband (an attorney but in corporate law - sorry hon if you read this - I wish now I had fought it) and my attorney felt that the better part of valor was to take the plea. But I must admit that in reaality it was the best move for if convicted at jury I would not be home for quite some time instead of having been home for almost 5 years now.

I do have a problem from the way I read this article that they - Mr. White & son went to the street to seek the confrontation instead of waiting either inside or on the front porch and letting the individuals come to them.

I know (boy do I!) the laws however I believe that these laws must be changed to allow the defense of life, limb, and property, both inside and outside of the home - within the boundaries of the property.

For those of you that know my posts - I normally believe that most laws such as these should be within the purview of the states - however in the case of self defense laws I think a National (Federal) law defining the use of deadly force in personal and property defense situations - are very much needed. As long as those laws both allow self defense on any level up to and including deadly force and err on the side of the person who percieves the threat - not the criminal.

If he had remained on the porch and the individuals came up the driveway instead of vice versa, it should be a rightous shoot (I know under present law it is not).

But anyway, am fighting an up hill battle to have these laws changed. Can you say tilting at windmills? But still trying.

Patti

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Originally posted by ELLIOTT1980:

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
Sounds as if the pistol was unlicensed.

So, call the cops, go for the shotgun and wait on the front porch.

If a kid comes up on the porch, shoot him. HAD HE DONE THAT AND KILLED THE VERY SAME KID, HE'D HAVE WALKED.

Pete..., ENOUGH with the LOGIC...

This is all about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and The RACE CARD... Ole Fight_Director (FD) is baiting us...

Good ole FD wants to compare/contrast this event with the JOE HORN (Evil Whitey) of Texas incident...

Joe kills two ADULT CRIMINALS with CRIMINAL RECORDS (also Illegals) on his/neighbor's property, not on a PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE (street)...

O K there FD, spout off with your perceived injustices and "Evil whitey gets away with everything..."

Drunk, underage, went to the Man's house WITH a Mob, a gun is present (I say for protection), one of the mobbers is shot?

I hate to say, somewhere in there is an injustice if the PERSON who feels threatened is found Guilty.

In comparison to SIMILAR cases, to include LawEnforcement, who've also been FOUND not guilty under similar circumstances (perceived threat).

However, in this 2nd Amendment Culture of ours, these incidents will happen.

Curious, is there a similar incident WITH THE RACES REVERSED and the shooter being found guilty of Manslaughter?

Regardless, a KID is dead that I wish were alive.

In most states, the right to defend one's person (or possessions) doesn't usually extend beyond the front door. In some, it doesn't even extend inside (which personally I find ludicrous).

This guy (as some pointed out) made several key mistakes.
1 - He didn't call the cops right off, and stay inside
2 - He armed himself and went OUTSIDE of his house
3 - He confronted the victim with a loaded weapon, without clear evidence that he (or his son) was being threatened with immediate grevious bodily harm
The prosecutor had a cakewalk re this case.....no matter what state. And race has nothing at all to do with the outcome of the trial. Anyone who thinks otherwise better do a gut-check on their own racism tendencies.