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FDR was far from perfect, but that garbage about the WPA, NRA, CCC, SOCIAL SECURITY and the revamping of the economic system, saved our azzez. He averted an attempted coup to over throw the U.S. government, which was exposed by retired, two time Medal of Honor holder, General Smedly D. Butler. Yeah there were those that hated him, but far, far more loved him. I talked with my Father about what it was like in the "Great Depression" and he told me that Mr. Roosevelt's actions, literally save the lives of people who sick and starving to death. He wasn't perfect, but he sure did his best with a wrecked economy and a looming world war, one which was, at the time, being won by the bad guys... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 This message has been edited. Last edited by: SUNLINER81, |
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Again, you more than deserved it. |
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I only know what I read about FDR, he was just a bit before my time, and it appears he was an excellent president and was not only tough, but also loved and respected by most all Americans and the world. He won the war, and he didn't have to actually be there for him to get credit for it. Everyone knew he won the war. Much the same as Ronald Reagan is credited for bringing down the communists. Funny here, 2 of our greatest President's responsible for 2 of the greatest diplomatic and wartime feats in our history. One a Democrat, one a Republican. Both truly great men.
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Actually, the programs that FDR put thru combined with his tax structure PRESERVED the depression right up to WW2. As the latest analysis of the economics of his administration shows. Not that the TVA and the Hoover Dam were "bad" and in fact helped with the quality of life in the AREAS they served, they did.
However the plan did NOT lift us out of depression. WW2 did. Think nationalizing the steel tire and rubber and automotive industries would have been a good thing? Think making it illegal to own gold was a good thing? |
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Again, you more than deserved it.[/QUOTE] There you have it folks, Lee Kujawa believes if you dont agree with his views he is entitled to send you Obscenity filled Harrassing E-Mails such as this one: "hahahaha - Eat **** mother****err" sent on May 7th "Eat **** ******" sent on July 24th There's your real Lee Kujawa for you. And I'm not the Only Member here who has recieved such Harrassment from Lee Kujawa. Besides showing appalling lack of grammatical ability, And lack of Parenting skills he was raised with it shows that if you disagree with Lee, be ready to be harrassed. |
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There you have it folks, Lee Kujawa believes if you dont agree with his views he is entitled to send you Obscenity filled Harrassing E-Mails such as this one: "hahahaha - Eat **** mother****err" sent on May 7th "Eat **** ******" sent on July 24th There's your real Lee Kujawa for you. And I'm not the Only Member here who has recieved such Harrassment from Lee Kujawa. Besides showing appalling lack of grammatical ability, And lack of Parenting skills he was raised with it shows that if you disagree with Lee, be ready to be harrassed.[/QUOTE] Obviously I wrote what I did to you (way back when, maybe a year or 2 ago, don't quite remember why) for something far more serious on this public forum than for someone simply disagreeing with me. Your present post more than proves that. hahahaha Rest assured of that. I don't deny a thing, so go and do your baiting somewhere else, because thats exactly what you're again trying to do here. Go on now ... Bye-Bye ...  Plus, if you get any more personal with me, and insulting of my parents as you just did, you WILL again be reported for baiting and harassing. Just letting you know. |
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So Lee, please report it, Firstly you called me a Mother "Fornicator" in an E-Mail accusing me of Incest. I will happily provide it to the mods. You also sent Homophobic remarks as well, while using contact information from Military.com
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Obviously I wrote what I did to you (way back when, maybe a year or 2 ago, don't quite remember why) for something far more serious on this public forum than for someone simply disagreeing with me. Your present post more than proves that. hahahaha Rest assured of that. I don't deny a thing, so go and do your baiting somewhere else, because thats exactly what you're again trying to do here. Go on now ... Bye-Bye ... Plus, if you get any more personal with me, and insulting of my parents as you just did, you WILL again be reported for baiting and harassing. Just letting you know.[/QUOTE]Man what a cry-baby... get a life. |
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Please go away. Warning 2. |
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You threatened Me, and now you make orders like your a Moderator?
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Merry Christmas Line Doggie! Jesus loves you.  |
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Merry Christmas MigBuster. Jesus loves you too! |
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BOTH of you back off..... and THAT is a WARNING..... and I am a Moderator. Both of you need to grow up. If anyone is being threatened by email, I highly recommend that you contact the proper authorities. Making threats via internet or via email is in fact illegal, and can range in scope from a misdemeanor to a felony depending on where you reside.  "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~ |
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Merry Christmas MigBuster. Jesus loves you too! [/QUOTSame to you Lee.. Will chill out for now and get ready for the big battle   next year.... stay safe... |
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You too Mig. Have a good holiday season. I'm sure we'll get into some good tiffs next year. Looking forwrd to it. lol This message has been edited. Last edited by: leekujawa, |
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Other than the old saw of, "it took WW-II to get us out of the depression" which was not true by the way. What can you site? How about a text book on economics, give us the chapter. Because you are not gonna find any economic professor to site. The administration prior to Roosevelt, i.e. Hoover, took the other approach and if President Hoover had been proactive and not hands off, let the economy seek it's own level, the great depression would most probably have been avoided in the United States. The rest of the world had been reeling economically and the United States had been relatively stable... He a little side note, the population of the United States had been so pizzed at Hoover, that the dam had been named Boulder dam instead of Hoover dam and was not given it's intended name, till many years after Hoover and people had begun to cool off concerning his handling of the economy and the first stages of the depression... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Unemployment in 1933, Roosevelt's first year in office, was 24.9%. At the advent of WWII (1Sep39), it remained at 17.2 %. It had dropped to 14.3 %, but after the elections of 1936, again reached 19% when Roosevelt, fearing an unbalanced budget, retreated from Keynesian policies resulting in a recession (1937-1938). American unemployment plummeted to 4.7% in 1942, America's first year as a belligerent power and then fell even further to less than 2% for the remainder of the War. While Roosevelt's efforts had increased employment and provided much needed relief for Americans, it was a slow, laborious process. Sweden had fully recovered by 1934 as a result of Keynesian deficit spending. Germany's recovery was complete by 1936. Roosevelt's policies were slowly having an effect, but dismissing WWII as a major force behind the American economy's recovery is historically inaccurate. http://www.friesian.com/stats.htm http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Timeline.htm http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html Any way, How did we get away from J. Edgar????  |
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Thank you for pulling this thread back from the brink of hell. Couldn't have said it better myself. You could have prefaced with 'being tied to the gold standard in keeping with classical policy, did not allow the American currency levels to accurately reflect economic output...price equilibrium failed to manifest due to the fact that wages and other prices are "sticky" ..leading to a contraction. and post-scripted w/ .. as unemployment fell to an unhealthy low inflationary pressures emerged which were countered with strict rationing..." nonetheless, most excellent rebuttal!!!
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