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 Report: Former FBI Director Hoover Planned to Arrest 12,000 Americans Suspected of Disloyalty Sunday , December 23, 2007 WASHINGTON — Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to suspend the rules against illegal detention and arrest up to 12,000 Americans he suspected of being disloyal, according to a newly declassified document. Hoover sent the White House his plan on July 7, 1950, less than two weeks after the Korean War began. Still, there is no evidence to suggest that President Truman or any subsequent president approved any part of Hoover's proposal to house suspect Americans in military and federal prisons. Hoover wanted Truman to declare the mass arrests as necessary to "protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage," The New York Times reported Saturday in a story posted on its Web site. The plan called for the FBI to apprehend all potentially dangerous individuals whose names were on a list Hoover had been compiling for years. "The index now contains approximately 12,000 individuals, of which approximately 97 percent are citizens of the United States," Hoover wrote in the now-declassified document. "In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the writ of habeas corpus." Habeas corpus is the right to seek relief from illegal detention, and a bedrock legal principle in America. Under Hoover's plan, all apprehended individuals would eventually have had the right to a hearing, though the proposed hearing boards — comprised of one judge and two citizens — would not have been bound by the rules of evidence. The details of Hoover's plan were among a collection of Cold War-era documents related to intelligence from 1950-1955. The State Department declassified the documents on Friday. If you need to brag about it, you're probably lying. |
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It was amazing back then the characters they had leading these Departments for life, literally. General Lewis B. Hershey and the Selective Service (it seemed he headed up the draft forever) and J. Edgar of the FBI forever and ever.
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Interesting! My guess is that this administration would love to have the services of J. Edgar (or one just like him). So many of us who do not agree with this administration would find ourselves branded as disloyal and thrown in the slammer.
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FDR, Liberal Democrat actually sent 120,000 to concentration camps, likely the most egregious violation of Americans Civil Liberties in the last 100 years. Executive Order #9066
J. Edgar Hoover actually Opposed it Yet you laud FDR, hypocrites.... |
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I had the pleasure of meeting two Americans who were blacklisted from the entertainment business during the 1950's and ended up making movies in Europe.
One, Howard De Silva, was blacklisted because he refused to "out" his ex-wife as a member of the Communist Party (she had apparently gotten involved after they divorced, but since he wouldn't name her in front of the AUAC, he was blacklisted). He didn't get a chance to work in the U.S. again until he was cast to play Benjamin Franklin in "1776" - he always said it was the height of irony. The other was Lionel Stander (many of you might remember him playing Max the butler on TV's "Hart To Hart"). He was blacklisted because a friend took him to a party in 1936 to pick up girls. He left when he found out it was a CPUSA political meeting. Someone else who was at the party named him to the HUAC 14 years later - and he wasn't able to get work in the U.S. until "Hart To Hart" when Robert Wagner used his clout as star and executive producer to geth him hired. If J. Edgar had gotten his way, they both would probably have been arrested and jailed as "disloyal Americans". |
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Linedoggie, Maybe I missed something on this thread. I do not see a single post "lauding FDR". lt seems to me the subject concerns J. Edgar Hoover. Or is this another diversionary tactic? Will it divert to Bill Clinton next? Mustang |
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Give him time  |
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Back in 1798 President John Adams along with the Federalist passed an Alien and Sedition Act. Citizens or even members of the House Representatives that disagreed with admendements were beaten on the floor of the peoples house and imprisoned. The Alien part of the bill governed the number of emirgrants allowed and how many years living in the new country before citizenship attained. Maybe it's time we revisited Mr. Adams evil mark on our history. Thomas Jefferson upon election, after one term of office of Adams, declare it the act unconstitutional. I doubt if there's enough jails in the country to handle the seditionist these days. |
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Sorry "oldetymer", you guys kvetch endlessly about how J Edgar would be right at home with this admin. When the reality is his most dispicable efforts were under Dem admins of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ. And typically FDR is lauded here by your ilk, so I feel comfortable in pointing out the hypocrisy. |
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Wait a minute.. You're saying you DON'T laud FDR? I do, and I'm a Republican.. go figure
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LineDoggie, My nickname/handle is oldmustang or mustang. As to "you guys" and "your ilk", who knows where you are coming from. Many of us who do not agree with this president and this administration are registered GOP. For that matter, several senior GOP senators have been quite open in their criticism of this administration, e.g., Collins, Hagel, Snowe, Warner, et al. Governor Huckabee recently said that this administration has "an arrogant bunker mentality". Are they part of the "you guys" and "your ilk" you were referring to? mustang |
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Seems that all LD can remember from history class was FDR sending Japanese Americans to concentration camps
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FDR, a Liberal, won WW2. Compare that to the current president in Iraq. |
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LineDoggie starts insulting those who disagree with names like "oldtimer," meaning because we are wiser and older, we are senile or something to that effect. This is common with LineDoggie. |
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Funny FDR was dead on V-E Day, still dead on V-J day Lee. Nevertheless, he still sent 120,000 to concentration camps due to the color of their Skin, not due to any acts of Sabotage they committed. Typical that you laud that dispicable act. |
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No I also remember him ordering the US Navy to Illegally escort British Shipping months Before Pearl Harbor. I also remember the good men of the USS Rueben James who died because of FDR's Secret Undeclared War. |
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Possibly, but unlike yourself Lee, I dont send Harrassing Obscenity laced tirades by E-Mail, thats your forte.... |
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Y'know, it amazes me. A story surfaces about Hoover from 57 years ago and it turns into a slam on Bush. That's fine, those little tirades are the anti to the thesis. But I don't buy the notion of ANY POTUS sitting at his desk twiddling his mustaches like Snidely Whiplash and plotting to deprive us all of our civil liberties, regardless of our politics.
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Hoover was one wierd tranny...
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You know, I am actually surprised that the number was not much larger. Hoover was one paranoid sob. I would have put money down on at least a 6 figure tally. Good thing I am not a betting man.
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