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Remember how all those right-wing pundits proclaimed the Minutemen as being just like a neighborhood watch? Michelle Malkin called it "the mother of all neighborhood watches." Lou Dobbs labeled it "this country's biggest neighborhood watch program". Bill O'Reilly declared: "Talking Points applauds the Minutemen. They are in the great tradition of neighborhood watch groups."

Boy, that sure is some neighborhood watch:

Accused ringleader Shawna Forde told her family in recent months that she had begun recruiting members of the Aryan Nations and that she planned to begin robbing drug-cartel leaders, her brother Merrill Metzger said Monday in a telephone interview from Redding, Calif.

"She was talking about starting a revolution against the United States government," he said.

Here is a recording of the 911 call made by the victim who survived -- the mother of 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, who was shot "two or three times" while her mother lay nearby. As she's on the phone, you can hear the killers return and open fire on her again, and hear her return fire:

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The 911 call can be heard here.

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Originally posted by usa_girl:
I don't like the racial tone either.

I guess the poster is still worked up from another post that had to do with an illegal that was shot.

I don't even know what color the officer was but Frank is sure everyone is out to get the browns as he puts it.

Fact is, ugly crimes happen all the time to people of all color, by people of all color.

So, the story would have been fine on its own without the need to make it racial.

And I don't support radical people that go out and kill in the name of their cause. They don't speak for me.

I love people of all color and i want everyone from all over the world to be able to experience the American Dream, but that dream better start with respecting our laws and doing it the right way.

That is not such a radical thing I am asking for considering it is asked of me when I go visit their country, yes or no?

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
This is interesting ... appears Forde is an independent ...

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Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

“She's someone who even within the anti-immigration movement has been labeled as unstable,” Levin said. “She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organization.”

"http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/15/crimesider/entry5089065.shtml"

I've read a number of articles now ... and have yet to find one that says anyone got shot because they were brown. Rather ...

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The assailants planned to leave no one alive, Dupnik said at a press conference in Tucson on Friday. He said Forde was the ringleader.

“This was a planned home invasion where the plan was to kill all the people inside this trailer so there would be no witnesses,” Dupnik said. “To just kill a 9-year-old girl because she might be a potential witness to me is just one of the most despicable acts that I have heard of.”

Then there is this:

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Their motive was financial, police say. They sought a large sum of money to fuel their anti-illegal immigration operations.

“The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs,” Dupnik said.

Did you read the Times article? The post was just a small excerpt.

But like it or not they were ALL shot because they were Brown. That was and IS the purpose of Ms. Fordes splinter group. In fact, even if they killed a White person, it was for the purpose of killing Brown people. In their fanatical brains, it all makes sense.

Doesn't mean it makes sense to us.

Dave

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Originally posted by stec74:
Some of the people posting here make me sick.

Unfortunately, home invasions and murders of drug dealers in AZ happen on a consistent basis. Where are the posts condemning these actions by the drug cartels from mexico?

Is it ok because it is "brown on brown" crime? What about the drug dealers who target teenage Hispanics to drive their drugs over the border and to major cities? Is that ok because it is "brown on brown" crime?

The ONLY reason this article was posted was to attempt to make it seem like this DRUG DEALER was the victim of a hate crime. That the ONLY reason he was killed is because he was "brown".

Do you think he would be dead right now if he wasn't a DRUG DEALER? He CHOSE his profession and by doing so CHOSE to put his family in danger be it by the cartel or vigilante extremist groups.

As I already posted I am terribly upset by the murder of the little girl and I hope that her killers fry for what they did to her. But to hold up this DRUG DEALER as some type of martyr in the battle against racism, or in some type of political argument, is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
So wait...a prostitute deserves to be raped? A jaywalker deserves to be hit by a car?

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Whatever other motives were involved, to say that race wans not a factor is simply wrong and disingenuous.

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Everybody wants to pretend that race had nothing to do with this and that this guy's family was targeted simply because he was running weed. This Minuteman crew was obviously racist by self-definition and intent. Whatever other motives were involved, to say that race wans not a factor is simply wrong and disingenuous.

If I'm a racist and I shoot a guy of another race for walking on my lawn then race had nothing to do with it. I shot him because he was trespassing. BS.

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I live in Sierra Vista, AZ not too far from the border and drug running is a MAJOR ISSUE in this area. I hope they fry for killing the girl, but I won't shed a tear for a dead drug dealer.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by stec74:


I live in Sierra Vista, AZ not too far from the border and drug running is a MAJOR ISSUE in this area. I hope they fry for killing the girl, but I won't shed a tear for a dead drug dealer.

All well and good, but this murder of an alledged drug dealer was for the purpose of supporting the murder of Mexicans. One has to ask, if these people would have done a home invasion of an Anglo family if they to were selling drugs?

I really don't understand why people are being so defensive about this. Ms Forde and her gang are not even representative of the Minutemen type groups who patrol the border. Many of them were disassociating themselves from her BEFORE these murders.

The Times is not the only ones calling this a racist murder, the Minutemen groups are saying that as well.

Dave