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Originally posted by Frank_A_Valdez:
This is In the News Section isn't it?
I was just providing an article I thought was interesting that I don't see has been discussed on this forum yet.
Since yesterdays discussion of a BP agent shooting a suspected undocumented immigrant was so popular yesterday I thought you might like to read this one too.

Phoenixdark and 67NOV were even bemoaning the fact the brown guy didn't get shot in the head. I thought they might like to read something where someone was shot in the head (this time a 10 yr old girl, I think).

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Originally posted by Hoffy1951:
All due respect...
Before you post anything else like the above...
Do some research from other news sites...

"www.azstarnet.com" might help

Plus, if you lived here...

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Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

“She's someone who even within the anti-immigration movement has been labeled as unstable,” Levin said. “She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organization.”

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The assailants planned to leave no one alive, Dupnik said at a press conference in Tucson on Friday. He said Forde was the ringleader.

“This was a planned home invasion where the plan was to kill all the people inside this trailer so there would be no witnesses,” Dupnik said. “To just kill a 9-year-old girl because she might be a potential witness to me is just one of the most despicable acts that I have heard of.”

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Their motive was financial, police say. They sought a large sum of money to fuel their anti-illegal immigration operations.

“The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs,” Dupnik said.

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
I thought the Republican Party decided not to patrol the borders?

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by Hoffy1951:
All due respect...
Before you post anything else like the above...
Do some research from other news sites...

"www.azstarnet.com" might help

Plus, if you lived here...

I went to your link, and could find nothing about this story.

May I suggest you follow HIS link and read the entire story? His post was just a small excerpt.

In HIS story, people who live in the town are interviewed, "Other" minutemen type groups are interviewd. It's an interesting story which confirms some of what you said, and seems to dispute some of what you said.

Dave

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
This is interesting ... appears Forde is an independent ...

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Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

“She's someone who even within the anti-immigration movement has been labeled as unstable,” Levin said. “She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organization.”

"http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/15/crimesider/entry5089065.shtml"

I've read a number of articles now ... and have yet to find one that says anyone got shot because they were brown. Rather ...

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The assailants planned to leave no one alive, Dupnik said at a press conference in Tucson on Friday. He said Forde was the ringleader.

“This was a planned home invasion where the plan was to kill all the people inside this trailer so there would be no witnesses,” Dupnik said. “To just kill a 9-year-old girl because she might be a potential witness to me is just one of the most despicable acts that I have heard of.”

Then there is this:

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Their motive was financial, police say. They sought a large sum of money to fuel their anti-illegal immigration operations.

“The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs,” Dupnik said.

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Originally posted by Frank_A_Valdez:
Hmm.
So let me get this straight:
3 people, with known attachments to various anti-immigrant groups, walk into a brown someone's home with guns drawn and barrels blazing, vowing to kill everyone (brown) in the house. They're going to find drugs and sell them to fund more vigilante justice against more brown individuals---

but it has nothing to do with the victims being brown. Nothing at all. Pure happenstance.

mm. I don't buy it.

I get what you're saying Hoffy, about you living in Tucson, but you need to understand I don't. What this looks like to me is a bunch of big crazy far Right loonies walking in and killing a little girl and shooting up her parents because they were brown.

And thanks for the "azstarnet.com" link and all but if you want to support a point it's up to you to provide the links. I've got my own homework to do to support my side of the exchange.


(BTW, just so you know the newspaper doesn't let you read old stories unless you pay for them.)

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"Live and let live" — the phrase arises often when Arivaca residents talk about their little town.

Many people come here to live together in a vast, arid landscape, but not so closely as to be in their neighbors' business.

After the May 30 home-invasion murders of 9-year-old Brisenia Flores and her father, Raul Flores, some wonder whether they have been intrusive enough. After his murder, authorities said Flores, known as Junior, was a well-known marijuana trafficker.

Maggie Milinovitch, who co-owns the local bar, La Gitana, and runs a monthly publication, Connection, said she and some other Arivaca residents feel guilty over Brisenia's death.
"We're a community that shares parenthood — we watch out for each other's children whenever we can, and the loss of a child is a failure in being aware of the danger," she wrote in an e-mail.

Local residents remained emotionally raw last week over the murders. In the bar and at the taco stand, residents broke into tears when asked about it.

Anthony Coulson, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration's Tucson office, said he thinks the girl's death resulted from a community failure.

"Raul Flores was a drug trafficker," Coulson said, noting that his agency was actively investigating Flores as a central player in the area's smuggling. "I think the majority of the people there are sympathetic and tolerant of the trafficking that goes on."

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:
I thought the Republican Party decided not to patrol the borders?

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Originally posted by Frank_A_Valdez:
Hmm.
So let me get this straight:
3 people, with known attachments to various anti-immigrant groups, walk into a brown someone's home with guns drawn and barrels blazing, vowing to kill everyone (brown) in the house. They're going to find drugs and sell them to fund more vigilante justice against more brown individuals---

but it has nothing to do with the victims being brown. Nothing at all. Pure happenstance.

mm. I don't buy it.

I get what you're saying Hoffy, about you living in Tucson, but you need to understand I don't. What this looks like to me is a bunch of big crazy far Right loonies walking in and killing a little girl and shooting up her parents because they were brown.
Since you don't live here...you didn't read the earlier posting out! You don't have one clue as to what has been going on here.He was killed by someone who had previous history with him!
And thanks for the "azstarnet.com" link and all but if you want to support a point it's up to you to provide the links. No it's not...you started this by posting the originating topic without any local and reliable bit of information to back it up... I've got my own homework to do to support my side of the exchange.


(BTW, just so you know the newspaper doesn't let you read old stories unless you pay for them.)

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Originally posted by pipedreamsandbabies:
I believe this thread is intresting topic and worth discussion, however if certain members can not control the insults and demeaning tones of their posts, this thread will be closed.

Carry on.

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Originally posted by stec74:

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Originally posted by Frank_A_Valdez:
Hmm.
So let me get this straight:
3 people, with known attachments to various anti-immigrant groups, walk into a brown someone's home with guns drawn and barrels blazing, vowing to kill everyone (brown) in the house. They're going to find drugs and sell them to fund more vigilante justice against more brown individuals---

but it has nothing to do with the victims being brown. Nothing at all. Pure happenstance.

mm. I don't buy it.

I get what you're saying Hoffy, about you living in Tucson, but you need to understand I don't. What this looks like to me is a bunch of big crazy far Right loonies walking in and killing a little girl and shooting up her parents because they were brown.

And thanks for the "azstarnet.com" link and all but if you want to support a point it's up to you to provide the links. I've got my own homework to do to support my side of the exchange.


(BTW, just so you know the newspaper doesn't let you read old stories unless you pay for them.)

I did the research for you.

"http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/297952"

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"Live and let live" — the phrase arises often when Arivaca residents talk about their little town.

Many people come here to live together in a vast, arid landscape, but not so closely as to be in their neighbors' business.

After the May 30 home-invasion murders of 9-year-old Brisenia Flores and her father, Raul Flores, some wonder whether they have been intrusive enough. After his murder, authorities said Flores, known as Junior, was a well-known marijuana trafficker.

Maggie Milinovitch, who co-owns the local bar, La Gitana, and runs a monthly publication, Connection, said she and some other Arivaca residents feel guilty over Brisenia's death.
"We're a community that shares parenthood — we watch out for each other's children whenever we can, and the loss of a child is a failure in being aware of the danger," she wrote in an e-mail.

Local residents remained emotionally raw last week over the murders. In the bar and at the taco stand, residents broke into tears when asked about it.

Anthony Coulson, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration's Tucson office, said he thinks the girl's death resulted from a community failure.

"Raul Flores was a drug trafficker," Coulson said, noting that his agency was actively investigating Flores as a central player in the area's smuggling. "I think the majority of the people there are sympathetic and tolerant of the trafficking that goes on."

I live in Sierra Vista, AZ not too far from the border and drug running is a MAJOR ISSUE in this area. I hope they fry for killing the girl, but I won't shed a tear for a dead drug dealer.

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Originally posted by pipedreamsandbabies:
Dial down the attitude, Hoffy!