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Scientists are confident that news like these two stories will continue to appear---pretty much every week---for at least the next 100 years.
The canny politicians of the left are using this long-term science to "rope-a-dope" the far-right denialists. The denialists cherry-pick short-term fluctuations, and shout loudly that global warming is disproved. And this strategy works over periods of weeks and months ... it is only necessary to cherry-pick. But global warming is all about decades ... and since the long-term trends are all strongly biased toward warming ... the global warming folks are playing a winning political hand. Like Muhammed Ali, they cover-up during short-term cooling episodes, then explode during long-term warming. Meanwhile, the denialists exhaust themselves in shouting and paranoia ... this is the rope-a-dope aspect of the left's political strategy. That is why the long-term future of conservatism requires accepting the sobering realities of global warming. It's that, or else, conservatism loses to the left's rope-a-dope. Prediction: a knock-out by global warming science. Question: which corner will conservatism be in? |
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I'll give you just one guess. |
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What I like best about conservatism is its emphasis on morality, practicality, and respect for history. But a planet with ten billion people on it has *never* happened before .... that's why history is *not* going to repeat itself ... ... and that's why American conservatism has to embrace a Petraeus-style strategy of Learn-and-Adapt, American conservatism is facing three harsh realities:
Either face-up, or else, the far-left wins by a rope-a-dope knockout. |
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You know this has happened before only none of us were around to document it. You just dont get it because you are too hyped up about these short term cycles and forget the long term cycles that bring us global warming and ice ages.
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I am confident in this assumption as well. Mainly because the only plan that the Democrats have (capping CO2 Emissions) will take decades to implement effectively and decades for the results to be seen after implementation. But, that is what happens when a political party uses something like man made climate change as a way to control industry and funnel lobbyist money into their pockets. |
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Im still wondering how they are going to implement carbon caps on the other mammals in the world who dont go along with this farce?
I can see it now, the envirowhackos get together with the PETA whackos and come up with a humane way to kill off cattle, pigs and other polluting animals. |
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Coming to a theater near you ...
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Knock off the top of the food chain. There wouldn't be so much livestock around if there weren't so many people would there? It seems to me that environmentally speaking nobody, the left for "choice" reasons or the right for religious reasons wants to see the proverbial elephant in the room, the simple fact that there are too many bloody people already. |
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Apparently these vegetarians run fast when they pass gas. Have you ever been around a strict vegetarian? My God, they could power a small community all by themselves.
Doesnt matter that certain proteins and other nutrients cannot be produced by plants and MEAT IS THE ONLY SOURCE of these essential proteins. Peter Singer doesnt smell so good himself as he is also a proponent of taking fewer showers, recycling your own waste water and crap like that. Where do these nut jobs come from??? NeoMarxists plain and simple. |
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Science alone is powerful ... history alone is powerful .. science and history together are 100X potent.
That's why Jared Diamond's Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, makes a compelling case. Needless to say, this forum's far-right "killer bees" will be quick to shout that "Diamond's a moron" ... "LtCol Cassidy's review of Collapse is moronic" ... usmc_family is a moron for posting Cassidy's review ... Pretty much *everyone* is a moron who reads military history, respects science, and disagrees with far-right dogma. According to the far-right's killer bees, that is. |
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Needless to say, this forum's far-right "killer bees" will be quick to shout that "Diamond's a moron" ... "LtCol Cassidy's review of Collapse is moronic" ... usmc_family is a moron for posting Cassidy's review ... Pretty much *everyone* is a moron who reads military history, respects science, and disagrees with far-right dogma. According to the far-right's killer bees, that is.[/QUOTE/] usmc_family, Thanks for all of your quotes, research,and references. You should be ashamed of yourself for "reading military history, respecting science, and disagreeing with far right dogma", LOL. Amazing isn't it, that the best way for the far, far right to challenge is to simply embrace denial. "Global Warming is a farce. Who cares if the Multiyear Arctic Ice has essentially vanished, that sea levels are rising, that Global Warming predictions (consequences) have consistently been of the low side, etc." After all, it is only the earth and mankind to be concerned with. Better to play ostrich and ignore reality. Once again, super posts, and kudos to you. Jack |
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Gotta take some more of that artic ice, don't have enough for my martini!
Frisco |
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Hey, I've figured out how to get San Fran Nan out of Congress, we speed up Global Warming and we put SF underwater!
Time to paint my roof black and buy a SUV to drive! Who's with me? |
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Actually, conservatives are very interested in science. Seems libs are quick to jump on the supersticion bandwagon of the false prophet Algore.
There the religious goreists sit with their utterly failed climate models insisting that we buy into their preposterous rationalizations. No, we'd onlt be Luddites if we accepted the gorean irrational "spinning". Oh, Arctic Sea Ice : ""http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/18/arctic-ice-thickness-measured-from-buoys/ |
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The simple truth is you don't need to post anything from anyone to demonstrate that point |
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Peter3_1, just exactly *how* did Al Gore fool the captains of Beluga Fraternity and Beluga Foresight into magically sailing their ships across the Arctic Ocean? Or ... maybe the far-right is wrong ... and the melt is really happening? And if the far-right is so absolutely dead-wrong about planetary ecology ... maybe we can't trust the far-right ... about anything at all? |
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Another communist theory post by Family. As I read his post Im trying to figure out what current energy sources are finite then I remembered that sometime in the next few m(b)illion years our sun may *fizzle* out leaving us all in the dark forever. Im sure he didnt mean our current hundred year supply of natural gas with only 20% of all sources explored, or our 200 year supply of crude oil with only 40% of all *areas* explored. Saudi Arabia will be able to supply oil until 2150, for example and the arctic has more *oil* than all previous discoveries *combined* to date.
Of course there is *enough* uranium to supply electricity globally for thousands of years if our envirowackos would only let us build them. Im also wondering how a smaller than 5% area sampled by these(sic)scientists can represent the *entire* arctic circle. could it be that the *ICE* kept them from going other places??? As far as this "book" is concerned, its just one person's very LIBERAL opinion. |
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it wouldnt be legendary if people hadnt already done it before many, many years ago! Say, like the *LAST* time it was open back between 1000-1300 during the last global warming period commonly referred to as the Medieval *Warm* Period. It was open as well during the last *inter-glacial* period 120,000 years ago but then there were no people screaming about global warming when CO2 levels were 6 times as high as now and arctic temperatures were 3 degrees Centigrade *HIGHER* than they are now. They were probably glad they didnt need modern HVAC! But hey Family, dont let those annoying *FACTS* get in the way of a good global warming hysteria rant. |
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All who wish to fact-check the above post---no facts were detected in it--can do so here: Ice and History "http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/311/5768/1673" |
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another OPINION site by 2 guys who are EDITORS for a magazine, big deal. I can post articles as well but by not doing so I save myself and others hours of headaches from not having to read about how *your* sources are better than ours and how you are right and we are wrong. |
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