RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,170417,00.html

Here he goes again... he focuses on what the US government and administration have said and done in order to predict future actions, but if he would apply the same litmus test to Iran's leadership... it would become clear why this discussion is necessary. Always against the American, always willing to extend the benefit of doubt to the terrorists. At least he's consistent.

I take it the wqriter is not a Bush-Chenney fan?

Unfortunately, I share both Mr. Huber's cynicism and pessimism.

Of interest to some might be Reconsidering "Leo Strauss and the 'Crazies in the Basement'". For what it's worth, Akmawutzizface is a nuisance. Iran is a genuine concern, but no more a threat to its neighbors than some of its neighbors, e.g. Israel or Saudi Arabia or Syria or Turkey or Egypt or Pakistan or any of the other "Stans." The ideas of the Project for a New American Century remain a real threat to world peace. A "new American Century" where the sole superpower U.S. of A dominates world commerce to serve "its national interests" and preemtively attacks countries who seem to threaten "its national interests" went from a manifesto to global threat once the Bush/Cheney ticket received the blessings of the USSC's 5-4 decision. When "signers" occupied the Vice Presidency, COS to the VP, SecDef, Asst. SecDef offices and friends/colleagues were placed in various posts(e.g. Stephen Cambone in DoD?), what were foreign governments to think? Just because Americans remained naive to www.newamericancentury.org doesn't mean foreign officials across the planet didn't. Until its members are expelled from our government and its agenda countermanded, extremely radical Islam and other anti-American movements have a cause celebre.

I agree with most of this author's explanations, except I do not think that if Sen. Obama wins the presidency, we will attack Iran. No telling what Sen. McCain will do though and that's a scary thought. The author does not mention that the PNAC group also wrote a letter to President Clinton back in 96 or 97 asking him to attack Iraq. He of course had other problems during this time and blew it off, so when these people came into power in 2000, we were all lied too, right in our faces, by these people that were voted in office. Face it, America is not the powerhouse it once was. The govt. knows once Iran gets the bomb, we cannot attack them w/o causing WWIII. No country with nuclear capability has ever fought another with that same technology. Why don't we help the Iranians develop nuclear facilities that can only be run for peaceful purposes? We could develop a partnership with them to help build up their economy and put their young men to work rather than being unemployed. This could help with other areas in the Middle East as well and eventually the populations will see you cannot run a country or governemt on religion, but rather on economics if you want it to succeed. Iran did though make a huge strategic blunder with the election of Ahmadinejad. He doesn't run the country, the mullah's do, but he gives the neo-cons a man to show off on why we need war and anyone with any knowledge knows his Ahmadinejad's rhetoric is just talk. Attacking Iran would unleash a war that could not be stopped any time soon, not to mention Hezbollah will attack Israel at the same time. And was it just me, or did Israel not really live up to it's military superiority when it invaded Lebenon and fought against Hezbollah two summers ago? We have lost confidence and trust in the last 8 years to lead the world by all other countries and the only way to get that back would be to elect Sen. Obama president.

This neighbor is consider a "concern", when in fact their interference to the region has been from threats and direct war. Taking in consideration proxy wars through Hamas, a fight against Israel and the Palestinian, Hizbullah a fight with with all other factions in Lebanon and within the borders of their own country, a theocracy revolution that saw tens of thousands executed. Direct or indirect, the "concern" has been playing out since 1979 with their neighbors. This day the chief investigator for IAEA El Baradei echoed the Cleric's and their Cabinet members of Iran threatening war if the European sanctions are imposed. They've often use extreme diplomacy as this to shock their neighbors. Neighbors who in the past year have spent 30 billion on military equipment. Not the mighty Saudi Arabians but the Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait...... I think you forgot about the Marine Barracks, the Embassies, the Khobar Tower and the thousands of displace ARAB Christians forced to leave the middle east. I expect it's a oversight on Huber's part of the many U S soldiers and Marines that been injured and killed in Iraq thanks to another proxy war with Al Sadr, Being equipped and trained by Tehran. Did you ever figure the war in Iraq would be over by now and most of the military taking a well earned rest if Iran discontinued a rampage that has lasted over 30 years. Iran should be a thriving nation but due to their leadership they've been a boil on the butt of the world.

With all due respect, rayevinsonsr is doing the same things the administration has been doing the past 7 years - conflating our enemies, putting all the blame on our chosen enemies while ignoring that of our chosen allies, and omitting US actions that have provoked others.
1) Khobar Towers was a Qaeda attack - Sunni extremists who are sworn enemies of the Shia extremists who run Iran
2) The relationship between Sadr & Iran gets played up while those between Iran & ISIC & Iran & Dawa is ignored. The sad truth is, the secularists the administration thought would run Iraq are too weak (in a variety of ways) to count for much for the foreseeable future. Iran is close to all the major Shia factions - Sadrists, ISIC & Dawa. They've bet on ALL the fast horses.
3) The US was perceived as having taken the Phalangist side in the Lebanese civil war because we were backing the Phalange dominated national government. The various Shia militias were bound to react to attacks by the Marines & Navy. Hezbollah was brilliantly (from their point of view) successful.
4) Another sad truth is that Iran is hardly alone in persecuting Arab Christians. Sunni extremists were attacking Iraqi Christians before that civil war got up speed. Then the Christians started getting it from both sides.

This war is all about controlling the flow of Oil, and it always was. So now that we "control" it, why has the price gone so HIGH? Because after all we have lost, we control NONE of it, except our own.

The day we announce we are leaving IRAQ is the day when the price of oil will go down, and not 1 day before that time.

THAT is what "The Crazies" have done to our nation.

Jeff Huber is a phawking idiot! I am offended that he writes opeds for Military.com He disgusts me. He is NOT thought provoking, he is just wildy liberal and paranoid.

Pat H
220T

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Originally posted by 220T:
Jeff Huber is a phawking idiot! I am offended that he writes opeds for Military.com He disgusts me. He is NOT thought provoking, he is just wildy liberal and paranoid.

Pat H
220T

He's just a little over your head

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Originally posted by hoodedswan:
With all due respect, rayevinsonsr is doing the same things the administration has been doing the past 7 years - conflating our enemies, putting all the blame on our chosen enemies while ignoring that of our chosen allies, and omitting US actions that have provoked others.
1) Khobar Towers was a Qaeda attack - Sunni extremists who are sworn enemies of the Shia extremists who run Iran
2) The relationship between Sadr & Iran gets played up while those between Iran & ISIC & Iran & Dawa is ignored. The sad truth is, the secularists the administration thought would run Iraq are too weak (in a variety of ways) to count for much for the foreseeable future. Iran is close to all the major Shia factions - Sadrists, ISIC & Dawa. They've bet on ALL the fast horses.
3) The US was perceived as having taken the Phalangist side in the Lebanese civil war because we were backing the Phalange dominated national government. The various Shia militias were bound to react to attacks by the Marines & Navy. Hezbollah was brilliantly (from their point of view) successful.
4) Another sad truth is that Iran is hardly alone in persecuting Arab Christians. Sunni extremists were attacking Iraqi Christians before that civil war got up speed. Then the Christians started getting it from both sides.

Thank you hoodedswab for correction and enlightment. Now I suggest you correct Intelligence from Saudi, Jordan and U S, the decision by our judiciary courts that found them responsible being eligible for law suits, as well as every news organization this side of Tehran. Have you ever thought of checking sources before blatlantly confusing fact and fiction. In your excitement take a deep breath and before analyzing someone else best look into your own excited state.

We were in Lebanon under the United Nations banner and what difference does it make if the elected government received thier and our support. The bombing is no more justified with or without your reason and anyone that thinks that way should spend a couple weeks guest of Marines at Camp Pendlelton. Sorry excuse I've ever heard. You're a sick person.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-12-22-iran-attack_x.htm


One of the hundreds of links that focus on Khobar Towers bombing.

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-12-22-iran-attack_x.htm


One of the hundreds of links that focus on Khobar Towers bombing.

Who took down Khobar Towers, just as WHO we are fighting in Iraq seems to be a convenience of the moment. When we were fighting Al Qaeda, then they did it. Now that we're fanning the flames of fanaticism once again, it's Iran than took down the towers.

Do you really think that Hamas and Hezbollah (Neither of whom is at war with US) would simply disappear without all these "outside agitators," to quote a famous remark made to short circuit thinking.

It's funny that we're talking about this TODAY, as Mr. Bush announces the lifting of sanctions against North Korea, because we engaged in Direct Talks with them - Something we of course cannot do with Iran because their so eviiiiiiiiillllllllllll.

Dave

Well Jeff is pretty much correct on this one. As much as many of the ideas this administration has had have merit, the execution of those ideas has been incompetent (to be generous). These aren't the guys to fix the problems (not ot belabor the obvious).

However, if the CiC decides that 2 wars ain't enough and starts another one (or Isreal pulls the trigger), then gas prices will skyrocket (not a happy thought), and our army in the middle east will be at risk.

Lets hope they are smarter than that - but considering past performance...

Some of you people think that we are the only country in this world who uses oil. Ever hear of Supply and Demand ?????. China, India and Eastern Europe are consuming more oil than ever before and if you all stop bickering and let us
drill oil in places like Anwar and the California coast, we won't be in this hell hole. China and Cuba are actively exploring oil fields miles from Key West Florida, while U S companies are not allowed/barred because of U S policies. And who's responsible ??? The DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress, who else !!

When the boots on the ground overwhelmingly support John McCain we are still bombarded with this leftist facist crap by military.com.
Stop JIhad

This guy is living in la-la land...certainly not reality.

Excellent summation by Jeff Huber of the disastrous past 7+ years. What is especially disturbing is what's in store for us during the last six months of "the crazies" administration. It's obvious that Likudnik bush received his final marching orders from Olmert during his recent farewell visit to israel. I envision a pre-emptive attack by israel against Iran, with the US intervening on behalf of her "ally". I can't think of any reason why Americans consider the rogue state of israel to be an ally. What has israel ever done to aid or assist the US? Does the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty count as something an ally would do? Does the spying activities of Pollard and numerous others count as something an ally would do? Why do we continue to be subservient to israelis when they truly despise us just as they despise the rest of the world? The US will never be again be free until we break the shackles of Zionist control.

Before israel became our friends we had no enemies in the Middle East.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope2:
Excellent summation by Jeff Huber of the disastrous past 7+ years. What is especially disturbing is what's in store for us during the last six months of "the crazies" administration. It's obvious that Likudnik bush received his final marching orders from Olmert during his recent farewell visit to israel. I envision a pre-emptive attack by israel against Iran, with the US intervening on behalf of her "ally". I can't think of any reason why Americans consider the rogue state of israel to be an ally. What has israel ever done to aid or assist the US? Does the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty count as something an ally would do? Does the spying activities of Pollard and numerous others count as something an ally would do? Why do we continue to be subservient to israelis when they truly despise us just as they despise the rest of the world? The US will never be again be free until we break the shackles of Zionist control.

Before israel became our friends we had no enemies in the Middle East.

The fact that Mil.Com has not canned you yet for your ad-nauseum racist hollering about Israel, truly is a shame. You've got a real Bone for Israel, dude.

Let me guess... you are a God-Fearing white "Christian" guy, likely of Central-Eastern European decent? What is it like, to hate all mankind?

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:

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Originally posted by Misanthrope2:
Excellent summation by Jeff Huber of the disastrous past 7+ years. What is especially disturbing is what's in store for us during the last six months of "the crazies" administration. It's obvious that Likudnik bush received his final marching orders from Olmert during his recent farewell visit to israel. I envision a pre-emptive attack by israel against Iran, with the US intervening on behalf of her "ally". I can't think of any reason why Americans consider the rogue state of israel to be an ally. What has israel ever done to aid or assist the US? Does the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty count as something an ally would do? Does the spying activities of Pollard and numerous others count as something an ally would do? Why do we continue to be subservient to israelis when they truly despise us just as they despise the rest of the world? The US will never be again be free until we break the shackles of Zionist control.

Before israel became our friends we had no enemies in the Middle East.

The fact that Mil.Com has not canned you yet for your ad-nauseum racist hollering about Israel, truly is a shame. You've got a real Bone for Israel, dude.

Let me guess... you are a God-Fearing white "Christian" guy, likely of Central-Eastern European decent? What is it like, to hate all mankind?

I don't see any racism in the above post WG. Can you explain?