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Basic Training |
13 Months as a combat medic, in that schithole? Given the deplorable state of military hospitals nd care in this country, I don't blame the kid for seeking private care.
But AWOL for 15 months is an awful long time, so some discipline had to be given out. I think in the end a GD was the right call . |
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The most important thing for our returning vets is that they are afforded the resources needed to bring them back to "normal". I believe this soldier did the right thing. He took his life and mental health seriously enough to want to fix it. Without that, would he be one of those who can't function, go crazy, or are forgotten? It's horrible that the military doctors can't do their job well. I'm sure they try, but too often, they fall short. A general discharge is appropriate and I'm glad someone realized what had happened in the gray and not judged him on black and white.
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Unfortunately, there is no such thing as returning to "Normal" for anyone who has seen as much combat as this man did, nor are we even close to being prepared for the $&#!-storm of new patients with PTSD that are going to be coming home, someday soon. Totally unprepared, sadly. |
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Highly Experienced Member Old Fart #00  |
Ah, but WG, even you have to admit that the armed services and the VA are way more prepared to deal with the PTSD issue now than they were two or three years ago when the problem began to surface and soldiers, vets and the politicos started raising cain about it. |
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I'm happy with the outcome. AWOL is proper.
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Most of us must think about is that 35% of the returning Vets will have PTSD this time.......
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i agree i know way too many soldiers that have come back and not gotten the help a friend of mine killed his wife and daughter becuase he got confused. He had thought his wife was out to get him im glad to see that Cherry got the help by other means since it wasnt provided to him adequately by the ones it should have been
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If this was me I would be sitting pretty with a man named Bubba.
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Lead Moderator MILITARY HISTORY Freedom!!!  |
DAWG says:
"Most of us must think about is that 35% of the returning Vets will have PTSD this time......." Good thing perhaps? Then 65% will not... Service trauma of mind...was only recognized in recent years...methinks... Yet it existed...and exists... Let them not hide in the American woodlands as during the Civil War...let them come forward...and seek help...and in turn, move this Nation towards the Future they fought for...do not delay...for you...are REQUIRED... The Intellects that can survive the trauma...move forward...and return to lead...are the epitome of this Nations spirit... |
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This is a standard US military way of abuse in the way they treat ptsd. I know I have been treated for it myself and its a damn slap in the face and our ignorant government is half our problem mainly our pres. G.W. bush the stupid idiot
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-Your a Harvard Grad arent you? |
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”The truth from WOPA. Is that an oxymoron?”
I believe that if this soldier served under my leadership and got the kind of run around he says he got, and I couldn’t get it straightened out for him, I would have “ordered him to get that civilian care” and risked getting court marshaled and being billed for the treatment my self. I really want to know what the NCOs and officers in his command were doing to get this kid help. Leadership is “taking care of the troops”– getting them what they need and deserve – and putting your career and checkbook on the line to make it happen. It is my opinion that if your not willing to be that kind of leader - then you need to give up the stripes and bars, get out of uniform and go do something that doesn’t require true leadership. Simply put, leadership is commitment and sacrifice. At least that’s the way this old soldier sees it. WOPA! It is like a “Force Field” you’ll never know it’s there until you try to cross it. then it will knock you on your can. Of course it will immediately reach out to help you up, but only once. After that no more nice guy. ”  “If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand and if I told you … well you know how that’s goes."
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I think the VA has been dealing with PTSD a lot longer than two or three years. |
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Basic Training |
I am glad the soldier got help , most of our soldiers return home thinking they can handle it in their own way . and end up killing some one or killing their self . I hope the V.A Medical centers takes this serious , Our soldierd are highly skilled in combat arms , if one of these guys returns home and thinks he is still in battle front , the damage this guy can do will not be a pretty picture .
The AWOL question / I hope the military seeks help for this soldier insteed of punishment . |
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( normal ) Once you enter the battle field and bare arms aginst the enemy , Your life has changed for ever , It will never be the same again , You can learn to deal with it , But there is no returning to normal . Beleve me I know and all so thousands of other soldier,s and veterans that has been on the battle front .
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Highly Experienced Member Old Fart #00 |
I'm well aware of that Sgt Green. I have been service connected for PTSD for many years related to Vietnam service, but we are not discussing that here. We are talking about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps you would do well to not try to pick apart another poster's statements without first attempting to understand them.  |
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He's probably a Yale grad they seem to have poor hold on reality.  |
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Pick apart? Whatever scholarly one... I took the statement literally, you said: "two or three years ago when the problem began to surface." I made a correcting statement, deal with it. |
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There is a tendency of men and women who must compete with one another for position to ignore the reality of a situation simply so that they themselves can avoid looking bad. I don't know the man involved in situation, but I do know the military's approach to concerns of this nature and how they have changed, for the worse.
Once upon a time, back when military men and women were comrades, rather than competitors for promotion, a serious attempt was made by members of the unit, and by their chaplains, to support a brother in arms through emotional battles such as those likely faced in this situation. That no longer occurs. Instead all that we learned through centuries of warfare has been given over to the care of medical practitioners and medication. This process continues despite the many failures, primarily because only those who practice the failed approach have been considered experienced enough to rule in. The simple fact of the matter is that substance of abuse of any kind, whether legal and supported by medicine or illegal and supported by blackmarket trade, is destructive. At best this practice allows the medicated to escape their troubles for a moment, at worst it heightens their vulnerability to not just traumatic past events but to the affects of certain uneducated prejudices. The motto, out of sight, out of mind, is all that prevents this crisis from coming to the forefront where it should be. |
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