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Originally posted by shuman14:

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No a dictator is not elected by the vast majority of the people.

Really?

Hitler was elected.

Mussolini was elected.

Dollfuss (Austria) was elected.

Horthy (Hungary) was elected.

Chavez was elected.

Strictly speaking, Hitler was not elected. In 1932 he ran for president.
In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, Hitler got over eleven million votes (11,339,446) or 30% of the total. Hindenburg got 18,651,497 votes or 49%. Since Hindenburg did nort receive 50% og the vote, there was a runoff election. On a dark, rainy Sunday, April 10, 1932, the people voted. They gave Hitler 13,418,547 or 36%, an increase of two million, and Hindenburg 19,359,983 or 53%, an increase of under a million.
"http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/runs.htm"
On January 30, 1933 Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany by an aged and ailing President Hindenburg.
"http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/collapse.htm"

Mussolini was not elected. He and his fellow fascists marched on Rome and siezed power.

"http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/399484/Benito-Mussolini/5089/Rise-to-power"

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Mussolini

IIRC Mussolini came to power from a coup.

AND...IIRC you forgot Marcos. I think he was democratically elected

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Mussolini was not elected. He and his fellow fascists marched on Rome and siezed power.

you beat me to it.

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Originally posted by shuman14:

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I AM a supporter of the electoral college system, for the reasons you name.

I think H.E.L.L. just froze over, Dave did you just agree with ME?

Why yes....

Small states are virtually ignored as it is, without the electoral college system, they might as well move to the Arctic for all the attention they will get. A place like Montana has different needs then a place like New York.

The Founders were quite right to give small States at least enough leverage to be noticed.

Dave

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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Mussolini was not elected. He and his fellow fascists marched on Rome and siezed power.

you beat me to it.

He mentioned two other dictators

Dolifus inherited his dictatorship from his predecessor, who came to power via a Fascist Coup in teh 20's. Horthy, came to power back around 1920 via a coup, in which His Party "elected" him Regent for life.

Dave

We all know the President of the United States has nothing in common with Hitler or Mussolini...

We also realize that FDR accomplishe a great deal for this Country...during very trying times...

Point is...We are not incorruptible...and the amendment was put into place to mitigate the possibility of reasonable Men...holding incredible power...becoming corrupt...

The President may well have two terms to distinguish himself in History...as He well might...

History will tell...and his actions to improve the lot of US Citizens...

Happy Independence Day ALL...

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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Just think about how long that either the Bush or the Clinton family have been running this country and look at the mess we are in.

Bush Sr, two term vp under Reagan and one term is Pres

Clinton two term Pres

Bush Jr two term Pres

as a certain former member used to say..."Yup"

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And Obama is offically Pres but Hillary is right in there and let's face it, this healthcare deal is her baby.

I don't know if I'd call it her baby. But I have no doubt her hand is in it it.

But that doesn't make it either good or bad.

Wasn't that what she tried to get done when Bill was in office and couldn't get it done?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by strobelvets:
We all know the President of the United States has nothing in common with Hitler or Mussolini...

We also realize that FDR accomplishe a great deal for this Country...during very trying times...

Point is...We are not incorruptible...and the amendment was put into place to mitigate the possibility of reasonable Men...holding incredible power...becoming corrupt...

The President may well have two terms to distinguish himself in History...as He well might...

History will tell...and his actions to improve the lot of US Citizens...

Happy Independence Day ALL]



...[/QUOTE
Point is...We are not incorruptible...and the amendment was put into place to mitigate the possibility of reasonable Men...holding incredible power...becoming corrupt...



Thats the reason the founders gave the people the power of impeachment as a safe gard against that possibility.

Well I guess my 1920 European history knowledge isn't as good as I thought.

Thanks for the corrections.

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Originally posted by shuman14:
Well I guess my 1920 European history knowledge isn't as good as I thought.

Thanks for the corrections.

I'm impressed, and surprised.

I find it very difficult to admit an error on this, or any other board. More power to you.

Dave

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by shuman14:
Well I guess my 1920 European history knowledge isn't as good as I thought.

Thanks for the corrections.

I'm impressed, and surprised.

I find it very difficult to admit an error on this, or any other board. More power to you.

Dave

Not me Im just waiting to be wrong to prove it.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by shuman14:
Well I guess my 1920 European history knowledge isn't as good as I thought.

Thanks for the corrections.

I'm impressed, and surprised.

I find it very difficult to admit an error on this, or any other board. More power to you.

Dave

Not me Im just waiting to be wrong to prove it.

You know, if you two hadn't been blessed with your great senses of modesty and humility, ya'll would be perfect!...
LOL Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Wasn't that what she tried to get done when Bill was in office and couldn't get it done?

yes it was. Which is why I have no doubt she's playing a part.

But I very highly doubt Obama just handed the reigns to her on it.

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He mentioned two other dictators

I didn't recognize the other two names and didn't want to be be a google professor.

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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Wasn't that what she tried to get done when Bill was in office and couldn't get it done?

yes it was. Which is why I have no doubt she's playing a part.

But I very highly doubt Obama just handed the reigns to her on it.

To be honest, I was surprised she took the position she did. I thought that would have been the perfect role for her.

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To be honest, I was surprised she took the position she did.

same here.

In a way it was a brilliant move by Obama IMO. I can't see her resigning in 3 years to make another run for president against him. Bringing her on board in that capacity effectively eliminated her as an opponent.

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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To be honest, I was surprised she took the position she did.

same here.

In a way it was a brilliant move by Obama IMO. I can't see her resigning in 3 years to make another run for president against him. Bringing her on board in that capacity effectively eliminated her as an opponent.

Why would she have to resign?
She can campaign for the party nomination just like Obama can.
Makes no difference what her job is.
C'mon, you know better then to say that.

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Why would she have to resign?
She can campaign for the party nomination just like Obama can.
Makes no difference what her job is.
C'mon, you know better then to say that.

I'm hard pressed to think of a cabinet member who ran against the president while staying a cabinet member.

she would need to resign IF she decided to run. Not legally need to resign but shes smart enough to know she should.

But I believe her position was a "you take this job in exchange for not running against me in 2012" type of thing.

I can't see her going against him now. It was too hard the first time.

Now if he really blows it, then she knows what is going on from the inside and can sure use it againts him but even that wont work, who is going to vote for her if she turns on him?

I think she is happy to let him have the head and just be an important part of law making and being able to whisper in his ear.

I just mean I was surprised she did not head up the healthcare but I guess the role she took was a bit more status?