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Some comments from CMC Vice-Chair Xu Caihou in his visit to Washington:

++http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/091026/us/politics_us_china_usa_military

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China's military sought to assure the United States on Monday that its arms buildup was not a threat and said Beijing wanted to expand cooperation with the Pentagon to reduce the risk of future conflicts.

At the start of a visit to Washington, Xu Caihou, vice chairman of the People's Liberation Army Central Military Commission, said military ties were generally moving in a "positive direction" and defended China's fast-paced military development as purely "defensive" and "limited" in scope.



"We are now predominantly committed to peaceful development and we will not and could not challenge or threaten any other country" and "certainly not the United States," Xu told a Washington think tank ahead of talks with Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


Xu described China's development of advanced weapons systems, including cruise and ballistic missiles, as "entirely for self-defense" and justified "given the vast area of China, the severity of the challenges facing us."


"As you know, China has yet to realize complete unification," Xu said, in an apparent reference to Taiwan, which China considers a renegade province. "So I believe it is simply necessary for the PLA to have an appropriate level of modernity in terms of our weapons and equipment."


Xu's visit, which will include a tour of major U.S. military bases, including U.S. Strategic Command, was meant to give a boost to military-to-military dialogue, which Beijing resumed this year after halting it in 2008 to protest a $6.5 billion U.S. arms sale to Taiwan.


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Chinese vessels have confronted U.S. surveillance ships in Asian waters repeatedly this year and Beijing has called on the United States to reduce and eventually halt air and sea military surveillance close to its shores.


Xu said those U.S. missions "infringed upon Chinese interests," adding: "It is encouraging to see that both sides have recognized that we should not allow such incidents to damage our ... mil-to-mil relations."


Xu said U.S.-Chinese military relations have improved since President Barack Obama took office in January and can be expanded further.



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(Reporting by Adam Entous; editing by Stacey Joyce)
 
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Xu said U.S.-Chinese military relations have improved since President Barack Obama took office in January and can be expanded further.[/b]



That's because they know Barry as a pushover and can get anything they want if they smile right. Our enemies know that when the dems are in, it's time to pick the secret trees.
 
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If only China would call in their markers that we owe them then maybe we could just let them take over our Congress, Senate, and Oval Office. I'm not afraid of a bunch of Chinks taking over this country. At least they would be fair and more protective of us, its new people. That way when a General says he needs an additional 40,000 troops to win the war he would get that and about 50,000 extra troops. And if he lost the war he would be executed. Seems fair to me.
 
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Xu said U.S.-Chinese military relations have improved since President Barack Obama took office in January and can be expanded further.[/b]



That's because they know Barry as a pushover and can get anything they want if they smile right. Our enemies know that when the dems are in, it's time to pick the secret trees.


SignalSgt,

Interesting comment providing we ignore history. The presidents holding office when we entered WWI (Wilson), WWII (FDR), and Korea (HST) were Democrats. It was JFK, followed by LBJ (both Democrats), who led is into the Vietnam War.

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Seems the Chinese are simply living by the rule of "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
Perhaps Obama will be like slick Willy and give China some more technology.
 
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Perhaps Obama will be like slick Willy and give China some more technology.


Jack, as Flanker said above, it's about secrets and not about war.
 
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Perhaps Obama will be like slick Willy and give China some more technology.


Jack, as Flanker said above, it's about secrets and not about war.


SignalSgt,

Perhaps time for you to re-read Canuck__Centaur's subject of this thread and his quotes from CMC Vice-Chair Xu Caihou's comments. The subject and quotes definitely include discussion of "threats" and "possible conflicts" (reduction of), not merely "secrets".

The usual anti-Dem rhetoric came out in your comments. e.g., "Barry as a pushover", "enemies know when the dems are in".

My earlier post, addressed to you and not to Flanker, stands as is. History clearly reflects that the Democratic Presidents in office were not pushovers in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, to name a few of our "major conflicts/wars".

It's about war (the possibility of war), and not just about secrets.

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Perhaps Obama will be like slick Willy and give China some more technology.


Jack, as Flanker said above, it's about secrets and not about war.


SignalSgt,

Perhaps time for you to re-read Canuck__Centaur's subject of this thread and his quotes from CMC Vice-Chair Xu Caihou's comments. The subject and quotes definitely include discussion of "threats" and "possible conflicts" (reduction of), not merely "secrets".

The usual anti-Dem rhetoric came out in your comments. e.g., "Barry as a pushover", "enemies know when the dems are in".

My earlier post, addressed to you and not to Flanker, stands as is. History clearly reflects that the Democratic Presidents in office were not pushovers in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, to name a few of our "major conflicts/wars".

It's about war (the possibility of war), and not just about secrets.

Jack


With regards to Barry and comparison to others during wars, Barry is doing exactly what Truman did over Korea, not providing what the generals ask for, we were attacked in both WWI and II, no choice there at all. Johnson escalated Vietnam and that's because he was a puppet to profiteers. Slick willy was sucked in voluntarily by China and history just might repaet itself again consider who are president is now, a combination of Truman and Slick Willy in this case.
 
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I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.
 
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I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.


world_king,

Well said! Applause

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Originally posted by world_king377:
I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.
There is a difference between being a world power and being in the charge of the world. Actually China is already very close to being just that, financually. They pretty much own us already.

and....it was the USSR that built the 'iron curtain', not us or anyone else. They are the ones that wanted isolation.
 
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Originally posted by world_king377:
I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.
There is a difference between being a world power and being in the charge of the world. Actually China is already very close to being just that, financually. They pretty much own us already.

and....it was the USSR that built the 'iron curtain', not us or anyone else. They are the ones that wanted isolation.
But the fact that we were both trying to counter each other every move lead us close to the end of the world a few times. Did nothing to help anything.
 
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Originally posted by world_king377:
I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.
There is a difference between being a world power and being in the charge of the world. Actually China is already very close to being just that, financually. They pretty much own us already.

and....it was the USSR that built the 'iron curtain', not us or anyone else. They are the ones that wanted isolation.
But the fact that we were both trying to counter each other every move lead us close to the end of the world a few times. Did nothing to help anything.


and Stalin started the trouble by not giving up occupation of Poland after the defeat of germany as agreed at the Malta conference.
 
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and Stalin started the trouble by not giving up occupation of Poland after the defeat of germany as agreed at the Malta conference.


Public display of detest and even calls for “push all the way to Moscow” by some of our & British generals and politicians had nothing to do with Stalin’s desire to maintain a “buffer”? Popcorn

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Wink


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Originally posted by world_king377:
I think it's great personally. China is finally going to start like a super power it's about time we treat them like one. What better way then to have them and our military working together.

We get to keep a close eye on them and at the same time shift some of our work load on to them. We made a mistake with Russia back during the cold war that nearly cost the world to come to the blink of nuclear war a few times.

While we should help them in some aspect's but not all. But wouldn't it be great to have them help us out in such places that our military is thin out such as the anti privacy mission. What's even better is the fact we can keep a eye on how the progress.

Who know's we may be fighting next to them some day or against (rather next i hope). So it's better to see how they are and what they can do. Better to be a friend and progress then a enemy and decline.
There is a difference between being a world power and being in the charge of the world. Actually China is already very close to being just that, financually. They pretty much own us already.

and....it was the USSR that built the 'iron curtain', not us or anyone else. They are the ones that wanted isolation.
But the fact that we were both trying to counter each other every move lead us close to the end of the world a few times. Did nothing to help anything.


and Stalin started the trouble by not giving up occupation of Poland after the defeat of germany as agreed at the Malta conference.
What does that have to do with china. There a super power its about time we treat and they act like it.
 
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